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#1 Post by nitrah55 » Fri May 30, 2008 7:52 am

The former head of President Bush's Council on Bioethics believes- fervently- that eating an ice cream cone in public is an affront to human dignity.

Here's the excerpt from the council's report, written by Leon Kass:

"Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone--a catlike activity that has been made acceptable in informal America but that still offends those who know eating in public is offensive. ... Eating on the street--even when undertaken, say, because one is between appointments and has no other time to eat--displays [a] lack of self-control: It beckons enslavement to the belly. ... Lacking utensils for cutting and lifting to mouth, he will often be seen using his teeth for tearing off chewable portions, just like any animal. ... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view, where, even if we feel no shame, others are compelled to witness our shameful behavior."

Now, I'll grant you there are plenty of people who would be better off if they took a pass on dessert, but don't bioethicists have better things to do than shoot the tires of Good Humor trucks?
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#2 Post by minimetoo26 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:00 am

People like this make the Taliban seem rational. Shameful behavior?

If I still had a baby, I'd go nurse it on his front lawn. Loser.

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#3 Post by PlacentiaSoccerMom » Fri May 30, 2008 8:03 am

Bush likes to hire people who make him look smart.

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#4 Post by MinisKidToBeNamedLater » Fri May 30, 2008 8:06 am

minimetoo26 wrote:If I still had a baby, I'd go nurse it on his front lawn.

Mommy! I'm hungry!

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#5 Post by TheCalvinator24 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:06 am

PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:Bush likes to hire people who make him look smart.

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#6 Post by Beavis & Butthead » Fri May 30, 2008 8:06 am

PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:Bush likes to hire people who make him look smart.

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Uhhhhhhhh..............

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#7 Post by peacock2121 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:13 am

minimetoo26 wrote:People like this make the Taliban seem rational. Shameful behavior?

If I still had a baby, I'd go nurse it on his front lawn. Loser.
Maybe I'll go do it without a baby.









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#8 Post by etaoin22 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:13 am

nitrah55 wrote:The former head of President Bush's Council on Bioethics believes- fervently- that eating an ice cream cone in public is an affront to human dignity.

Here's the excerpt from the council's report, written by Leon Kass:

"Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone--a catlike activity that has been made acceptable in informal America but that still offends those who know eating in public is offensive. ... Eating on the street--even when undertaken, say, because one is between appointments and has no other time to eat--displays [a] lack of self-control: It beckons enslavement to the belly. ... Lacking utensils for cutting and lifting to mouth, he will often be seen using his teeth for tearing off chewable portions, just like any animal. ... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view, where, even if we feel no shame, others are compelled to witness our shameful behavior."

Now, I'll grant you there are plenty of people who would be better off if they took a pass on dessert, but don't bioethicists have better things to do than shoot the tires of Good Humor trucks?
I'd almost be willing to bet money this is an urban legned. An a legend also.

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#9 Post by peacock2121 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:14 am

TheCalvinator24 wrote:
PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:Bush likes to hire people who make him look smart.

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I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!
It sure is.

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#10 Post by ulysses5019 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:14 am

nitrah55 wrote:The former head of President Bush's Council on Bioethics believes- fervently- that eating an ice cream cone in public is an affront to human dignity.

Here's the excerpt from the council's report, written by Leon Kass:

"Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone--a catlike activity that has been made acceptable in informal America but that still offends those who know eating in public is offensive. ... Eating on the street--even when undertaken, say, because one is between appointments and has no other time to eat--displays [a] lack of self-control: It beckons enslavement to the belly. ... Lacking utensils for cutting and lifting to mouth, he will often be seen using his teeth for tearing off chewable portions, just like any animal. ... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view, where, even if we feel no shame, others are compelled to witness our shameful behavior."

Now, I'll grant you there are plenty of people who would be better off if they took a pass on dessert, but don't bioethicists have better things to do than shoot the tires of Good Humor trucks?
I think the damn rappers are to blame.
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#11 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Fri May 30, 2008 8:19 am

etaoin22 wrote:
nitrah55 wrote:The former head of President Bush's Council on Bioethics believes- fervently- that eating an ice cream cone in public is an affront to human dignity.

Here's the excerpt from the council's report, written by Leon Kass:

"Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone--a catlike activity that has been made acceptable in informal America but that still offends those who know eating in public is offensive. ... Eating on the street--even when undertaken, say, because one is between appointments and has no other time to eat--displays [a] lack of self-control: It beckons enslavement to the belly. ... Lacking utensils for cutting and lifting to mouth, he will often be seen using his teeth for tearing off chewable portions, just like any animal. ... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view, where, even if we feel no shame, others are compelled to witness our shameful behavior."

Now, I'll grant you there are plenty of people who would be better off if they took a pass on dessert, but don't bioethicists have better things to do than shoot the tires of Good Humor trucks?
I'd almost be willing to bet money this is an urban legned. An a legend also.
more context here
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#12 Post by tlynn78 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:32 am

I think this guy might be my m-i-l's long lost brother.


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#13 Post by peacock2121 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:37 am

Sometimes I make what some call 'sex noises' when I am enjoying an ice cream cone.

Bet he'd really love that.

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#14 Post by Bob Juch » Fri May 30, 2008 8:45 am

nitrah55 wrote:The former head of President Bush's Council on Bioethics believes- fervently- that eating an ice cream cone in public is an affront to human dignity.

Here's the excerpt from the council's report, written by Leon Kass:

"Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone--a catlike activity that has been made acceptable in informal America but that still offends those who know eating in public is offensive. ... Eating on the street--even when undertaken, say, because one is between appointments and has no other time to eat--displays [a] lack of self-control: It beckons enslavement to the belly. ... Lacking utensils for cutting and lifting to mouth, he will often be seen using his teeth for tearing off chewable portions, just like any animal. ... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view, where, even if we feel no shame, others are compelled to witness our shameful behavior."

Now, I'll grant you there are plenty of people who would be better off if they took a pass on dessert, but don't bioethicists have better things to do than shoot the tires of Good Humor trucks?
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#15 Post by SportsFan68 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:46 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
etaoin22 wrote:
nitrah55 wrote:The former head of President Bush's Council on Bioethics believes- fervently- that eating an ice cream cone in public is an affront to human dignity.

Here's the excerpt from the council's report, written by Leon Kass:

"Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone--a catlike activity that has been made acceptable in informal America but that still offends those who know eating in public is offensive. ... Eating on the street--even when undertaken, say, because one is between appointments and has no other time to eat--displays [a] lack of self-control: It beckons enslavement to the belly. ... Lacking utensils for cutting and lifting to mouth, he will often be seen using his teeth for tearing off chewable portions, just like any animal. ... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view, where, even if we feel no shame, others are compelled to witness our shameful behavior."

Now, I'll grant you there are plenty of people who would be better off if they took a pass on dessert, but don't bioethicists have better things to do than shoot the tires of Good Humor trucks?
I'd almost be willing to bet money this is an urban legned. An a legend also.
more context here
Reading SuitDude's reference made me think of Ear's remark about eating in public.
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#16 Post by nitrah55 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:47 am

etaoin22 wrote:
nitrah55 wrote:The former head of President Bush's Council on Bioethics believes- fervently- that eating an ice cream cone in public is an affront to human dignity.

Here's the excerpt from the council's report, written by Leon Kass:

"Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone--a catlike activity that has been made acceptable in informal America but that still offends those who know eating in public is offensive. ... Eating on the street--even when undertaken, say, because one is between appointments and has no other time to eat--displays [a] lack of self-control: It beckons enslavement to the belly. ... Lacking utensils for cutting and lifting to mouth, he will often be seen using his teeth for tearing off chewable portions, just like any animal. ... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view, where, even if we feel no shame, others are compelled to witness our shameful behavior."

Now, I'll grant you there are plenty of people who would be better off if they took a pass on dessert, but don't bioethicists have better things to do than shoot the tires of Good Humor trucks?
I'd almost be willing to bet money this is an urban legned. An a legend also.
All you have to do is Google bioethics and ice cream:

http://www.tnr.com/story_print.html?id= ... 059cd0bfbd
I am about 25% sure of this.

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#17 Post by MarleysGh0st » Fri May 30, 2008 8:54 am

nitrah55 wrote: Here's the excerpt from the council's report, written by Leon Kass:
What link/citation did you use for this, nitrah? [Wow! That was a fast reply! :wink: ]

Wikipedia says the quote is from The Hungry Soul, pp. 148-149. University of Chicago Press, 1994, 1999 but the footnoted link to a transcript of NOW with Bill Moyers doesn't seem to apply.

The full title of that book BTW, is The Hungry Soul: Eating and the Perfecting of Our Nature

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#18 Post by ulysses5019 » Fri May 30, 2008 8:57 am

peacock2121 wrote:Sometimes I make what some call 'sex noises' when I am enjoying an ice cream cone.

Bet he'd really love that.
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#19 Post by Four Hour Stiffy » Fri May 30, 2008 8:59 am

ulysses5019 wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:Sometimes I make what some call 'sex noises' when I am enjoying an ice cream cone.

Bet he'd really love that.
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#20 Post by Otto Censor » Fri May 30, 2008 9:04 am

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#21 Post by BackInTex » Fri May 30, 2008 9:49 am

peacock2121 wrote:
minimetoo26 wrote:People like this make the Taliban seem rational. Shameful behavior?

If I still had a baby, I'd go nurse it on his front lawn. Loser.
Maybe I'll go do it without a baby.


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#22 Post by BackInTex » Fri May 30, 2008 9:50 am

peacock2121 wrote:Sometimes I make what some call 'sex noises' when I am enjoying an ice cream cone.

Bet he'd really love that.
If he doesn't, I would.

I would, even if he does.
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#23 Post by andrewjackson » Fri May 30, 2008 12:17 pm

The quote is authentic.

You can read the cited page full-text on Google Book Search.

He does excuse eating in public at festival, picnic areas, and outdoor restaurants but he also says that you should not watch other people eat.

Kass quotes the Talmud as saying, "Whoever eats in the street or at any public place acts like a dog. " -- (Kiddushin 40b).

I've looked at a couple of translations and this seems to mostly be a section which is about disqualifying someone as a witness. And at least some of it has to do with grabbing the food in the street and eating it.
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#24 Post by AnnieCamaro » Fri May 30, 2008 12:19 pm

andrewjackson wrote:
Kass quotes the Talmud as saying, "Whoever eats in the street or at any public place acts like a dog. " -- (Kiddushin 40b).
So what's wrong with that?
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#25 Post by Jeemie » Fri May 30, 2008 2:15 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:more context here
Now, why would you go and bring context into a good bashing job?
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