Re: 2000 Mules

[flockofseagulls104]

Apparently, the original thread is stuck in the other forum. So I have to resurrect it here, as I want to add to it.

There is uncharacteristic optimism among the Election Integrity community, of which I am a part, in Georgia recently. However, I remain skeptical, as many of us do, until someone is actually held accountable for the election crimes that we all KNOW have been committed here in GA related to the 2020 and the 2022 elections.

This is arguably the incident that started the ball rolling. This represents INDISPUTABLE and ADMITTED proof that the Georgia 2020 election should not have been certified according to LAW. That, combined with the conclusions submitted by Skandalakis in dropping the Fani Willis case have finally gotten the DOJ to step in and join us in trying to, at long last, get to the truth. Fani's testimony and melt down at last week's committee hearing just added to it. All the State of Georgia has done for 5 years is try and HIDE the truth.

So, I know that the evidence that the 2020 election in Georgia was rigged is valid and voluminous. I have seen and examined much of it. I know and trust some of the people who have conducted the research and tried to get it recognised and acted upon, only to be stifled by corrupt and conflicted lawyers, judges and elected officials. I, in a small way, am one of them. There are tons of other evidence that because of judicial tricks and finagling, have not been considered. Curling v Raffensperger. DeKalb GOP v Raffensperger. SEB 2022-25. etc, etc....

I am cautiously optimistic that we will begin to see some action on this front relatively soon. Whether something happens relative to accountability is anyone's guess, as for me, I would not hold my breath. But I hope something does, for all our sakes. Because if we cannot trust our elections, we do not have a country.

And to be at long last proven right.

[tlynn78]

Apparently, the original thread is stuck in the other forum. So I have to resurrect it here, as I want to add to it.

There is uncharacteristic optimism among the Election Integrity community, of which I am a part, in Georgia recently. However, I remain skeptical, as many of us do, until someone is actually held accountable for the election crimes that we all KNOW have been committed here in GA related to the 2020 and the 2022 elections.

This is arguably the incident that started the ball rolling. This represents INDISPUTABLE and ADMITTED proof that the Georgia 2020 election should not have been certified according to LAW. That, combined with the conclusions submitted by Skandalakis in dropping the Fani Willis case have finally gotten the DOJ to step in and join us in trying to, at long last, get to the truth. Fani's testimony and melt down at last week's committee hearing just added to it. All the State of Georgia has done for 5 years is try and HIDE the truth.

So, I know that the evidence that the 2020 election in Georgia was rigged is valid and voluminous. I have seen and examined much of it. I know and trust some of the people who have conducted the research and tried to get it recognised and acted upon, only to be stifled by corrupt and conflicted lawyers, judges and elected officials. I, in a small way, am one of them. There are tons of other evidence that because of judicial tricks and finagling, have not been considered. Curling v Raffensperger. DeKalb GOP v Raffensperger. SEB 2022-25. etc, etc....

I am cautiously optimistic that we will begin to see some action on this front relatively soon. Whether something happens relative to accountability is anyone's guess, as for me, I would not hold my breath. But I hope something does, for all our sakes. Because if we cannot trust our elections, we do not have a country.

And to be at long last proven right.

Same. Im sure the usual suspects are composing their "you were right all along" posts as I type.

[flockofseagulls104]

Here's another example of how to sweep evidence under the rug. Read the thread and comments. Especially the one by RJ LAUGHLIN, SSS.

Bob Coovert has produced several judges.

[silverscreenselect]

Flock:

Wake me when someone besides your little bunch of Twitter cronies decide there's any actual proof of election fraud.

[flockofseagulls104]

Flock:

Wake me when someone besides your little bunch of Twitter cronies decide there's any actual proof of election fraud.

Sorry to interrupt your wet dream about fat rednecks with assault weapons, but the proof was posted for you. In just this one instance, (there are many more complaints the SOS has been sitting on for years) the attorney for Fulton County was forced to admit they broke the law and that 315,000 votes from Fulton County did not have a legal chain of custody and should NOT have been certified. I know you are sleeping, but let me ask you: what are laws for? Are we supposed to follow them, or do we get dispensation if we find them inconvenient?

Wake up SSS.

[silverscreenselect]

[the attorney for Fulton County was forced to admit they broke the law and that 315,000 votes from Fulton County did not have a legal chain of custody and should NOT have been certified.

Not quite right Flock. I read the rules, and they state that the poll manager and witnesses shall sign the tapes. However, they do not specify what happens if the signatures are missing. Not every error requires invalidating the results. Instead, the rules say:

If the poll manager or the witnesses have reason to believe that printed tapes are not a true and correct tabulation of the ballots scanned by that ballot scanner, the poll manager or witness shall document the reasons and evidence for that belief and inform the election superintendent, who shall take appropriate action, in his or her discretion, so that the ballots in the ballot box associated with the ballot scanner are accurately tabulated.

I'm sure Flock would have informed me if one of the witnesses had objected to the count in any precinct. But none did, and none has come forward in five years. There is a strong presumption in Georgia for the validity of tabulated votes. Further, certification of the results is an administrative function, and court cases have required boards to certify results despite suspicions of errors or fraud. If someone had objected on Election Day, it would have been investigated. You can't claim five years later that the election shouldn't have been certified.

[Weyoun]

Seems like a big nothingburger:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2025/12/ ... IPrp5_ruGg

“Nothingburger” would be a decent nickname for flock though “whitefailure” is still so on the nose.

[silverscreenselect]

Seems like a big nothingburger:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2025/12/ ... IPrp5_ruGg

I'd also point out that this rule was adopted for the 2020 electionfff, so the procedures set out in these rules (many of which were successfully challenged in courts) were new and unfamiliar. In addition, nobody checked Georgia's other 158 counties' tapes to see if any of them similarly violated the rule.

[flockofseagulls104]

Seems like a big nothingburger:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2025/12/ ... IPrp5_ruGg

I'd also point out that this rule was adopted for the 2020 electionfff, so the procedures set out in these rules (many of which were successfully challenged in courts) were new and unfamiliar. In addition, nobody checked Georgia's other 158 counties' tapes to see if any of them similarly violated the rule.

Um, yes they did. And Fani recognised them for their work.
Yeah, SSS. Rule 183-1-14-.02 was adopted in Jan of 2020. I think you left out some of it:

The election superintendent or tabulating center personnel shall cause each ballot scanner to print a minimum of three tapes showing the vote totals as cast on that ballot scanner. The election superintendent or tabulating center personnel shall then record the count of the ballots cast from the scanner tabulation tapes and reconcile 1) the count of the ballots cast on the scanner tabulation tapes, 2) the numbers shown on the election counters of the ballot scanners, 3) the numbered list of absentee electors, and 4) the absentee ballot recap form. If there is a discrepancy, no further action shall be taken until the reason for the discrepancy has been determined to the satisfaction of the election superintendent. Three witnesses shall sign each of the tapes or shall write on the tapes the reason why they will not sign the tapes.

I think that is pretty clear. Note the word SHALL.

Want to venture a guess who submitted and voted this rule into existence? Who was the chairman of the SEB in 2020, SSS? (Hint, he's the SOS right now and is running for governor) Who else was on the SEB? (the chairman's former executive counsel). Dozens of rules were added to the election rulebook in 2020, and somehow none of these 'non partisan' NGOs raised an eyebrow. Not one activist judge came out to challenge these rules, did they SSS? Seems recently, any rule even considered by the SEB brings Mark Elias and every other 'non-partisan' NGO out from under their rocks to oppose it. All this could be easily answered by complying with the numerous court rulings and let the actual 2020 ballots be examined by the groups that have requested the access and were granted it. But for some reason Fulton County and the SOS are resisting this with everything they have. And have been for 5 years.

You can continue with your excuses ad finitum if you want. But Brad made this rule, but now it's ok for him to pooh-pooh it????.. Laws are laws, SSS. And I agree with you in one thing: nobody should be above them.

I brought this one case to your attention because it is cut and dried, asked and answered, right in front of your eyes clear proof and evidence that there was chicanery in the 2020 election in Georgia. Still you want to deny it. No problem. This is just ONE of the reams of evidence that my group of cronies, all of whom are fat guys with assault rifles that eat at McDonalds, have compiled. We'll just sit back and see what develops. As I said, I am cautiously optimistic, but TPTB have every motivation in the book to quash this information from coming out, and they've been very successful to this point. They will use any means necessary, and unfortunately they have useful idiots like you that will deny what they see right in front of their eyes.

[silverscreenselect]

Dozens of rules were added to the election rulebook in 2020, and somehow none of these 'non partisan' NGOs raised an eyebrow. Not one activist judge came out to challenge these rules, did they SSS?

Actually, a number of those 2020 rules were challenged in court, and several of them were thrown out by the Georgia Supreme Court this summer. "Activist judges" (another term for the Flock dictionary) don't go around challenging rules they don't like; aggrieved parties do. (That's the old requirement about standing to sue.) No one has challenged this rule because it has never actually been applied and so no one is aggrieved by it.

Rules are not the same as statutes. Many rules are administrative in nature and not penal. As is this one.

[flockofseagulls104]

Dozens of rules were added to the election rulebook in 2020, and somehow none of these 'non partisan' NGOs raised an eyebrow. Not one activist judge came out to challenge these rules, did they SSS?

Actually, a number of those 2020 rules were challenged in court, and several of them were thrown out by the Georgia Supreme Court this summer. "Activist judges" (another term for the Flock dictionary) don't go around challenging rules they don't like; aggrieved parties do. (That's the old requirement about standing to sue.) No one has challenged this rule because it has never actually been applied and so no one is aggrieved by it.

Rules are not the same as statutes. Many rules are administrative in nature and not penal. As is this one.

You don't know what you are talking about, SSS. You are just regurgitating talking points. I have attended most of the SEB meetings and the ones I haven't I've watched online. You are right, the judges have to depend on the NGOs to complain (they almost always have a variation of the word 'democracy' in their titles and make pains to include the word 'non partisan' when they introduce themselves, when they are anything but non-partisan). They always do complain about anything that will make the election process more secure. And once it gets to the Georgia courts, any election rule or law is DOA.

Most of the common sense rules put forward by EI activists last year passed the SEB, but aggrieved lawfare practitioners sued and were upheld by the corrupt GA judicial system. You know, the one that says election board members SHALL sign an oath when they certify an election that they validate the results. But they are doing it as a 'ministerial' function. So even if they see obvious fraud, they still have to certify or be arrested. The one that determined that? Because the word 'SHALL' is there? But your Fulton County Commissioners won't appoint Election Board members in defiance of that same word: SHALL. Those officials? Why have none of them gone to jail?

As far as I know, none of the myriad rules added in 2020 and 2021 by Raffensperger and Germany were thrown out last year. Tell me which ones.

The State Election Board has the authority to enforce the election rules, and they have recommended a fine of $5000 for each of the 134 or so tapes that were not signed as the rule directed. What good is the rule if it's not enforced? As David Cross said, apparently it doesn't hurt your county enough to violate rules. Brad and Ryan made these rules, now Brad is SOS and is responsible for making sure they're complied with. But only the rules he wants enforced, right, SSS? But don't worry, I'm sure Mark Elias is on this already and has a lawsuit all ready to go.

Keep those weaselly excuses coming. I'm never going to convince you. You know the truth. You are just like Fani Willis at the hearing last week. All bullshit bluster.

[tlynn78]

Seems like a big nothingburger:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/2025/12/ ... IPrp5_ruGg

I'd also point out that this rule was adopted for the 2020 electionfff, so the procedures set out in these rules (many of which were successfully challenged in courts) were new and unfamiliar. In addition, nobody checked Georgia's other 158 counties' tapes to see if any of them similarly violated the rule.

Um, yes they did. And Fani recognised them for their work.
Yeah, SSS. Rule 183-1-14-.02 was adopted in Jan of 2020. I think you left out some of it:

The election superintendent or tabulating center personnel shall cause each ballot scanner to print a minimum of three tapes showing the vote totals as cast on that ballot scanner. The election superintendent or tabulating center personnel shall then record the count of the ballots cast from the scanner tabulation tapes and reconcile 1) the count of the ballots cast on the scanner tabulation tapes, 2) the numbers shown on the election counters of the ballot scanners, 3) the numbered list of absentee electors, and 4) the absentee ballot recap form. If there is a discrepancy, no further action shall be taken until the reason for the discrepancy has been determined to the satisfaction of the election superintendent. Three witnesses shall sign each of the tapes or shall write on the tapes the reason why they will not sign the tapes.

I think that is pretty clear. Note the word SHALL.

Want to venture a guess who submitted and voted this rule into existence? Who was the chairman of the SEB in 2020, SSS? (Hint, he's the SOS right now and is running for governor) Who else was on the SEB? (the chairman's former executive counsel). Dozens of rules were added to the election rulebook in 2020, and somehow none of these 'non partisan' NGOs raised an eyebrow. Not one activist judge came out to challenge these rules, did they SSS? Seems recently, any rule even considered by the SEB brings Mark Elias and every other 'non-partisan' NGO out from under their rocks to oppose it. All this could be easily answered by complying with the numerous court rulings and let the actual 2020 ballots be examined by the groups that have requested the access and were granted it. But for some reason Fulton County and the SOS are resisting this with everything they have. And have been for 5 years.

You can continue with your excuses ad finitum if you want. But Brad made this rule, but now it's ok for him to pooh-pooh it????.. Laws are laws, SSS. And I agree with you in one thing: nobody should be above them.

I brought this one case to your attention because it is cut and dried, asked and answered, right in front of your eyes clear proof and evidence that there was chicanery in the 2020 election in Georgia. Still you want to deny it. No problem. This is just ONE of the reams of evidence that my group of cronies, all of whom are fat guys with assault rifles that eat at McDonalds, have compiled. We'll just sit back and see what develops. As I said, I am cautiously optimistic, but TPTB have every motivation in the book to quash this information from coming out, and they've been very successful to this point. They will use any means necessary, and unfortunately they have useful idiots like you that will deny what they see right in front of their eyes.

C'mon, Flock. Surely you've heard by now that these lawyerly types apparently have a little, fingers-crossed-behind-the-back deal when they take their oaths, so they can ignore or subvert the ones they don't like or that become inconvenient. Rules for thee....

[flockofseagulls104]

C'mon, Flock. Surely you've heard by now that these lawyerly types apparently have a little, fingers-crossed-behind-the-back deal when they take their oaths, so they can ignore or subvert the ones they don't like or that become inconvenient. Rules for thee....

It must be scary for all them guys in suits for all of us fat guys in overalls with guns coming to their election board meetings with all our facts, data and evidence. (No evidence, SSS?. How's this for one?) Now they hafta come up with so many new and creative ways to be able to ignore us and what we say. (Maybe you can suggest something like the flock dictionary to your county officials, SSS.) The SEB had John Fervier from Waffle House up to now doing his SSS impression, but he seems to have jumped ship. It was so easy for them in past years when nobody paid attention to what they did and didn't do except for the Atlanta Urinal Constipation. Then we had to start showing up!!!

Wait for it. It looks like the perps may be planning a way to do away with the SEB since it's now causing them problems. Stay tuned to see if justice or injustice prevails in GA.

ADDED: So much going on in GA related to election integrity. (I know those are dirty words to the election fraud enablers and the real election deniers). I'd post about it cause it's really important for the country, but all that would happen here is the backbenchers would throw their ignorant shit. We'll just wait and see what happens.

[flockofseagulls104]

So perfect, I couldn't resist. Here's SSS's argument in a nutshell:

In the interest of balance, let me summarize the argument defending the integrity of the 2020 election in Fulton County: It does not matter that Republican monitors were not allowed to observe the verification of absentee ballot signatures. It does not matter that poll workers failed to document that the tabulation machines had been reset to zero before scanning the ballots. It does not matter that poll workers failed to certify the accuracy of the tabulation sheets. It does not matter that Fulton County announced it was stopping the vote count election night only to start it back up when the Republican election monitors left. It does not matter that Republicans were limited to one observer for every ten counting tables in the hand count. It does not matter that the two machine counts and one hand count do not match each other. It does not matter that a count of the uploaded ballot images does not match any of the three official counts. It does not matter that ballot images are missing from the upload. It does not matter that batches of ballots were scanned multiple times. It does not matter that a resident of Maryland cast an absentee ballot using Gabe Sterling's home address. This was the most secure election in American history. Brad Raffensperger said so and that is good enough for me. Please stop nitpicking.

Spoiler

written by David Shafer, one of the many who were targeted by Fani Willis' hate filled lawfare, which was orchestrated by the people who co-opted the White House from the senile Joe Biden.

Added:

Hmm, I'll try one more time to explain it to you in language that, if you concentrate real hard, you might comprehend and understand the idea he's expressing.
Here's one of the lead citizen investigators, who's forgotten more about elections systems than you (or Brad Raffensperger, who is nothing but a politician) will ever know.

And that, SSS, is why we need to have access to the original ballots in the 2020 election. We do not want to, and cannot, overturn the results of that election. We want to understand what exactly what happened. We want to know the truth. Elections in this country are supposed to be fully transparent and fully verifiable. That is all we are asking for: Transparency, not demonization, and the opportunity to VERIFY what the powers that be have proclaimed without providing any tangible evidence except for their proclamations and weasel words. We are the citizens of this state. These are our elections. How can we NOT have standing? That is what the Secretary of State and the Powers that be in Georgia have been 'moving heaven and Earth' to prevent. It is not our side that is spending taxpayer money on this fight.

If we are able to get both of those things, and we do not find tangible evidence of 'widespread fraud', that no one, not even what's left of the AJC, can deny, I think we are honest enough to admit we were wrong and let it go. At least I will. But if we verify what we've already found, WE WANT TO ENSURE IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. That, and only that, is our end goal.

[flockofseagulls104]

Now that the Fani Willis lawfare has been swept back into the trash bin where it came from, many of the falsely accused and demonized victims are free to speak again, and much of the information and documentation that was gathered as part of the 'investigation' is now seeing the light of day.

Here's some information that is pertinent to 2000 Mules.

I doubt any of the usual suspects will bother to read it, But don't argue with me about it. Argue with David Perdue and Brian Lupo.

It does tend to vindicate my viewpoint, which I came to by actually examining evidence myself and finding Willis completely wrong. This is my answer to the people who keep bringing up Ripcord. TTV was up against some very powerful enemies. But, SSS, They WON their court case because a judge actually decided to hear the case, instead of dismissing it for lack of standing or some other lame, cowardly excuse. Now that the dam has broken, we might actually get some truth, at long last.
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PS from the previous post:

And that, SSS, is why we need to have access to the original ballots in the 2020 election. We do not want to, and cannot, overturn the results of that election. We want to understand what exactly what happened. We want to know the truth.

Well, the original 2020 ballots have finally been removed from the bony clutches of the Fulton County Election Denial Mafia. We can now only hope and pray that the TRUTH is finally and unquestionably revealed.

[silverscreenselect]

We can now only hope and pray that the TRUTH is finally and unquestionably revealed.

I can now only hope and pray that this time I will finally and unquestionably kick that football Lucy is holding.

[earendel]

I'll be interested to read what flock has to say about this.
The Georgia State Elections Board voted to issue a formal letter of reprimand to Elon Musk’s America PAC after investigators found the group sent partially prefilled absentee ballot applications to voters across multiple counties during the 2024 election cycle.

Investigators also found that Musk’s PAC allegedly failed to clearly disclose that the mailing was not an official government document and was not a ballot. In other words, voters were receiving election-related paperwork pre-populated with their data from a billionaire’s political machine — without clear, conspicuous warnings.

[jarnon]

Investigators also found that Musk’s PAC allegedly failed to clearly disclose that the mailing was not an official government document and was not a ballot.

So voters might have mistaken the absentee ballot application for an absentee ballot? The lack of candidates’ names should make that obvious. If you can’t tell the difference, you’re not intelligent enough to vaote.

[flockofseagulls104]

I'll be interested to read what flock has to say about this.
The Georgia State Elections Board voted to issue a formal letter of reprimand to Elon Musk’s America PAC after investigators found the group sent partially prefilled absentee ballot applications to voters across multiple counties during the 2024 election cycle.

Investigators also found that Musk’s PAC allegedly failed to clearly disclose that the mailing was not an official government document and was not a ballot. In other words, voters were receiving election-related paperwork pre-populated with their data from a billionaire’s political machine — without clear, conspicuous warnings.

Ear, I am not surprised that this is the one thing that you quote from the SEB meeting. I'm sure it has been specifically made available for your notice.

I am pretty heavily involved with the activities of the GA SEB.

Somehow you have missed this from last week's meeting. And This.

You kinda missed this from last month's meeting.
And interestingly enough, this from last month's meeting. In december, the Board instructed Fulton County to give an accounting of what steps they take every month to maintain the voter rolls, since they (specifically Nadine Williams, Fulton County Elections Director) claimed they did systematic cleaning every month. And yet somehow they have registered about 115% of the county's citizens of voting age population, (according to the EAC). As you can see, in Jan, Ms. Williams decided NOT to show up. To be even more patronizing, they sent the woman in the first link to the meeting in February, who I'll call SGT Schultz. A lawyer they RETAINED TWO DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING! She knew nothing... nothing!

And you seem to know nothing about David Cross's revelations from November, which were probably the last draw in convincing the DOJ to seize the actual receipts that still exist from the 2020 election. As SSS always relies on, a Magistrate Judge saw enough actual evidence to be convinced to sign the warrant allowing the FBI to take possession of the 2020 ballots. The courts are finally starting to act after 5 years of sweeping evidence under the rug using legal brooms. NOBODY. I. MEAN. NOBODY. can be sure what the actual results of the 2020 presidential election in GA were. THAT IS A FACT.

And you want to know what I think of the SEB voting to send Elon Musk a letter of reprimand? I guess that is one of 70 cases they heard on Wed and Thur. I didn't pay much attention to it. But if you ask me, I think he probably deserved it. Sara Ghazal, the only dem on the board, wasn't in attendence this month, so it was 3 conservative members who voted (Fervier, the RINO chair, doesn't usually vote). So it was obviously not handled in a partisan manner.

I think it shows either what is important to you, or it shows where you get your information that you think that was even a minor takeaway of what is happening relating to GA elections. It reeks of TDS.

[earendel]

And you want to know what I think of the SEB voting to send Elon Musk a letter of reprimand? I guess that is one of 70 cases they heard on Wed and Thur. I didn't pay much attention to it. But if you ask me, I think he probably deserved it. Sara Ghazal, the only dem on the board, wasn't in attendence this month, so it was 3 conservative members who voted (Fervier, the RINO chair, doesn't usually vote). So it was obviously not handled in a partisan manner.

I think it shows either what is important to you, or it shows where you get your information that you think that was even a minor takeaway of what is happening relating to GA elections. It reeks of TDS.

Yes, that's all I wanted. I have no opinion regarding the other things you tagged.

[flockofseagulls104]

And you want to know what I think of the SEB voting to send Elon Musk a letter of reprimand? I guess that is one of 70 cases they heard on Wed and Thur. I didn't pay much attention to it. But if you ask me, I think he probably deserved it. Sara Ghazal, the only dem on the board, wasn't in attendence this month, so it was 3 conservative members who voted (Fervier, the RINO chair, doesn't usually vote). So it was obviously not handled in a partisan manner.

I think it shows either what is important to you, or it shows where you get your information that you think that was even a minor takeaway of what is happening relating to GA elections. It reeks of TDS.

Yes, that's all I wanted. I have no opinion regarding the other things you tagged.

Yeah, that is the big problem. They count on the indifference and the willing ignorance of the dumb masses (in the words of Gabriel Sterling, Raffensperger's replacement candidate for SOS) to get away with stealing elections. Have a good day, don't let the corruption bother you.

[Beebs52]

Flock, don't get pissed off at me, but Georgia elections are done. 2020 election is over. Enough.

[flockofseagulls104]

Flock, don't get pissed off at me, but Georgia elections are done. 2020 election is over. Enough.

Why is it so hard to understand that it is NOT ABOUT RELITIGATING THE FUCKING 2020 ELECTION? Joe Biden was certified as president and his handlers had that office for 4 years. Those are the facts and nothing is ever going to change that.

It's about preventing what happened in 2020 (and what is still happening) from ever happening again. And to do that we have to finally acknowledge, face and understand what happened in 2020 instead of sweeping it under the rug and letting it continue. There is too much hard, unquestionable evidence that shows that.

If we are to have a legitimate republic, or even a democracy, if you want to go with that falsity, WE HAVE TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY IN OUR ELECTION PROCESS AND BE ABLE TO VERIFY IT, NOT JUST TAKE THE WORD OF THE PEOPLE IN POWER. We do not have that.

So I am not pissed at you. I am just disappointed that you don't get it, and your indifference allows the corruption to continue.

[Beebs52]

Flock, don't get pissed off at me, but Georgia elections are done. 2020 election is over. Enough.

Why is it so hard to understand that it is NOT ABOUT RELITIGATING THE FUCKING 2020 ELECTION? Joe Biden was certified as president and his handlers had that office for 4 years. Those are the facts and nothing is ever going to change that.

It's about preventing what happened in 2020 (and what is still happening) from ever happening again. And to do that we have to finally acknowledge, face and understand what happened in 2020 instead of sweeping it under the rug and letting it continue. There is too much hard, unquestionable evidence that shows that.

If we are to have a legitimate republic, or even a democracy, if you want to go with that falsity, WE HAVE TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY IN OUR ELECTION PROCESS AND BE ABLE TO VERIFY IT, NOT JUST TAKE THE WORD OF THE PEOPLE IN POWER. We do not have that.

So I am not pissed at you. I am just disappointed that you don't get it, and your indifference allows the corruption to continue.

You know that our elections have been manipulated for decades, if not a century? 2020 is not something new. I guess I'm older than you and am totally beyond wide eyed surprise/angst regarding elections. Sorry.

[flockofseagulls104]

Flock, don't get pissed off at me, but Georgia elections are done. 2020 election is over. Enough.

Why is it so hard to understand that it is NOT ABOUT RELITIGATING THE FUCKING 2020 ELECTION? Joe Biden was certified as president and his handlers had that office for 4 years. Those are the facts and nothing is ever going to change that.

It's about preventing what happened in 2020 (and what is still happening) from ever happening again. And to do that we have to finally acknowledge, face and understand what happened in 2020 instead of sweeping it under the rug and letting it continue. There is too much hard, unquestionable evidence that shows that.

If we are to have a legitimate republic, or even a democracy, if you want to go with that falsity, WE HAVE TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY IN OUR ELECTION PROCESS AND BE ABLE TO VERIFY IT, NOT JUST TAKE THE WORD OF THE PEOPLE IN POWER. We do not have that.

So I am not pissed at you. I am just disappointed that you don't get it, and your indifference allows the corruption to continue.

You know that our elections have been manipulated for decades, if not a century? 2020 is not something new. I guess I'm older than you and am totally beyond wide eyed surprise/angst regarding elections. Sorry.

Oh, right! I didn't consider that! I guess we just better ignore all the fraud we've uncovered and let 'em continue.

Beebs, That's a pretty poor argument. People have been robbing banks ever since the first one was started. Do we let them continue on because it's nothing new? The NY Stock Exchange, or hell, any stock exchange can keep track of millions of transactions that occur in real time and never lose a penny. And to my knowledge have never been hacked. We cannot say the same for our election systems. They are extremely vulnerable in many areas. Why can we not demand the same level of security for the election system that we demand for our credit cards?

I find it very troubling that you brush this off as inconsequential. 2020 was the biggest scandal of our lifetimes. If we don't fix the problems, we will lose our country as we know it.