Medical fraud

[Beebs52]

This link shows a bunch of bad doers in the medicare etc billing arena. Some are from Spring/The Woodlands, podiatry. How the FUCK do you bill 90 million in fraudulent claims without someone noticing before now?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/ne ... d-takedown

[BackInTex]

This link shows a bunch of bad doers in the medicare etc billing arena. Some are from Spring/The Woodlands, podiatry. How the FUCK do you bill 90 million in fraudulent claims without someone noticing before now?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/ne ... d-takedown

Did you not see the media (and thus average voter) rail against Musk and his DOGE team? The left, swampy Republicans, and thus the media, don't want controls, just give-a-ways (for votes). If some of your money falls through the cracks, it's a cost of doing business.

[mrkelley23]

This link shows a bunch of bad doers in the medicare etc billing arena. Some are from Spring/The Woodlands, podiatry. How the FUCK do you bill 90 million in fraudulent claims without someone noticing before now?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/ne ... d-takedown

Did you not see the media (and thus average voter) rail against Musk and his DOGE team? The left, swampy Republicans, and thus the media, don't want controls, just give-a-ways (for votes). If some of your money falls through the cracks, it's a cost of doing business.

Hmmm. This sounds like an incredibly intricate, difficult case to make. I wonder when DOJ started its investigation?

[silverscreenselect]

Did you not see the media (and thus average voter) rail against Musk and his DOGE team? The left, swampy Republicans, and thus the media, don't want controls, just give-a-ways (for votes). If some of your money falls through the cracks, it's a cost of doing business.

Former DOGE engineer says he was 'surprised' by 'how efficient' the government is

DOGE Finds Zero Fraud, Waste, or Abuse, Just New Ways to Harm Veterans

Doge unemployment ‘fraud’ discoveries are old finds from Biden era, experts say

Trump and Musk can’t seem to locate much evidence of fraud -- They keep justifying their bold moves as combating fraud, but they have been unable so far to point to much of anything specific that’s actually fraudulent.

Fact check: Eight ways Elon Musk has misled Americans about government spending

Why DOGE's latest unemployment fraud discovery isn't what it seems

‘It’s a Heist’: Real Federal Auditors Are Horrified by DOGE -- WIRED talked to actual federal auditors about how government auditing works—and how DOGE is doing the opposite.

I couldn't let that one go. DOGE's alleged uncovering of massive fraud and waste is one of the biggest shams perpetrated on the American public.

[flockofseagulls104]

Did you not see the media (and thus average voter) rail against Musk and his DOGE team? The left, swampy Republicans, and thus the media, don't want controls, just give-a-ways (for votes). If some of your money falls through the cracks, it's a cost of doing business.

Former DOGE engineer says he was 'surprised' by 'how efficient' the government is

DOGE Finds Zero Fraud, Waste, or Abuse, Just New Ways to Harm Veterans

Doge unemployment ‘fraud’ discoveries are old finds from Biden era, experts say

Trump and Musk can’t seem to locate much evidence of fraud -- They keep justifying their bold moves as combating fraud, but they have been unable so far to point to much of anything specific that’s actually fraudulent.

Fact check: Eight ways Elon Musk has misled Americans about government spending

Why DOGE's latest unemployment fraud discovery isn't what it seems

‘It’s a Heist’: Real Federal Auditors Are Horrified by DOGE -- WIRED talked to actual federal auditors about how government auditing works—and how DOGE is doing the opposite.

I couldn't let that one go. DOGE's alleged uncovering of massive fraud and waste is one of the biggest shams perpetrated on the American public.

Of course you couldn't. And you buttress your argument citing the same media that has lied to us about every controversial issue of our time. CNN, Guardian, Washi gton Post, Rolling Stone. Might as well ask Joe Biden. Or Kamala Hartis. (You can always go back and edit her answer). There no fraud in the federal government. Yeah, that's the ticket.

[silverscreenselect]

There no fraud in the federal government. Yeah, that's the ticket.

I never said there wasn't any fraud in federal government. I said that DOGE uncovered virtually no new evidence of fraud. And what they've done is to gain access to millions of sensitive records that can be used to perpetrate fraud if they fall in the wrong hand. Do you know how carefully these DOGE "watchdogs" were vetted?

As mrkelley noted, uncovering actual fraud means lawsuits to disgorge unjust enrichment and arrests. If DOGE was really doing what Trump and Musk claimed, we'd have banner headlines every single day of the administration instead of ... crickets.

And flock's reply again reinforces why I don't like to get involved in threads here. No counter evidence; just claims about fake news in the mainstream media.

[jarnon]

It’s the same in all their enforcement efforts. Trump claimed many workers were slacking off or had a side job while telecommuting. However, the law requires proof before civil servants are fired. So Trump, Musk and Vought fired probationary workers, who have fewer legal protections, en masse, letting go of valuable employees and degrading government services.

The wrongdoers, at least the successful ones, are too sly to be caught that easily. Social Security cheats don’t claim to have birth dates around 1900. MS-13 terrorists don’t work at Home Depot. So they stay free while the administration arrests whomever they can catch.

[flockofseagulls104]

There no fraud in the federal government. Yeah, that's the ticket.

I never said there wasn't any fraud in federal government. I said that DOGE uncovered virtually no new evidence of fraud. And what they've done is to gain access to millions of sensitive records that can be used to perpetrate fraud if they fall in the wrong hand. Do you know how carefully these DOGE "watchdogs" were vetted?

As mrkelley noted, uncovering actual fraud means lawsuits to disgorge unjust enrichment and arrests. If DOGE was really doing what Trump and Musk claimed, we'd have banner headlines every single day of the administration instead of ... crickets.

And flock's reply again reinforces why I don't like to get involved in threads here. No counter evidence; just claims about fake news in the mainstream media.

No, you never said there wasn't any fraud. You just copied and pasted articles from self-discredited 'news' sources telling you more anti-trump bullshit that DOGE and Musk were making things up.

No counter evidence?

How about telling us that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinfo right before the election? How about lying to us about Joe's mental health? How about editing Kamala's answers to make her look coherent? How about referring to a leaked low-level assessment of the Iran nuclear damage as another attempt to discredit trump? When will your side cut out the shit? Most of the country is on to you. Do something or propose something that is actually CONSTRUCTIVE for once, instead of destructive.

You don't like to get involved in threads here for the same reason the above average attorney bailed out. Your arguments are 5 miles wide and 1/2 inch deep, and you now have figured out you can't defend them very well. So you've left it to the lunatic whose arguments boil down to that we don't like brown skin or something. Don't blame it on me.

[silverscreenselect]

No counter evidence?

How about telling us that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinfo right before the election? How about lying to us about Joe's mental health? How about editing Kamala's answers to make her look coherent? How about referring to a leaked low-level assessment of the Iran nuclear damage as another attempt to discredit trump? When will your side cut out the shit? Most of the country is on to you. Do something or propose something that is actually CONSTRUCTIVE for once, instead of destructive.

I repeat. No counter evidence. Whatever may or may not have been on Hunter Biden's laptop has no bearing on whether or not DOGE has uncovered any fraud. Nor does an argument of Joe Biden's mental health or who leaked information about damage from the attack on Iran's nuclear facility. It's all deflection.

[flockofseagulls104]

No counter evidence?

How about telling us that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinfo right before the election? How about lying to us about Joe's mental health? How about editing Kamala's answers to make her look coherent? How about referring to a leaked low-level assessment of the Iran nuclear damage as another attempt to discredit trump? When will your side cut out the shit? Most of the country is on to you. Do something or propose something that is actually CONSTRUCTIVE for once, instead of destructive.

I repeat. No counter evidence. Whatever may or may not have been on Hunter Biden's laptop has no bearing on whether or not DOGE has uncovered any fraud. Nor does an argument of Joe Biden's mental health or who leaked information about damage from the attack on Iran's nuclear facility. It's all deflection.

Goes to relevance, credibility and patterns of behavior. Your sources of information have demonstrated extreme bias, inaccurate and slanderous reporting on anything related to this individual and unwillingness to correct their misreporting over many years. I have cited just a few examples of this. I could cite many, many more. Explain to me why I should believe any of your 'sources', sir.

[silverscreenselect]

Explain to me why I should believe any of your 'sources', sir.

You don't have to believe any of my sources. However, you do have to prove fraud, whether in a civil or criminal context. (Even in a civil context, you have to produce clear and convincing evidence of fraud.) What Trump and Musk have done is the equivalent of Joe McCarthy claiming he had the names of 57 Communists in the State Department in his notebook and then never producing the notebook.

Unless and until you show any evidence of new, substantial actual fraud unearthed by DOGE, I'm done with this discussion (as I should have been about three responses ago).

[mrkelley23]

I have, over the course of the past three months, composed seven responses to messages here in the Political Lounge. I spent time on them, documented sources, showed what I thought were convincing chains of reasoning and evidence. I let each of them simmer for about an hour, as I promised myself, before coming back to post them. In each case, when I was honest with myself, I had to admit they were at best snarky, and would convince no one. So I deleted them all.

I do not regret those actions.

[Beebs52]

This link shows a bunch of bad doers in the medicare etc billing arena. Some are from Spring/The Woodlands, podiatry. How the FUCK do you bill 90 million in fraudulent claims without someone noticing before now?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdtx/pr/ne ... d-takedown

Did you not see the media (and thus average voter) rail against Musk and his DOGE team? The left, swampy Republicans, and thus the media, don't want controls, just give-a-ways (for votes). If some of your money falls through the cracks, it's a cost of doing business.

Hmmm. This sounds like an incredibly intricate, difficult case to make. I wonder when DOJ started its investigation?

No snark here. I would imagine administration was briefed on this particular morass. Perhaps it contributed as one impetus for doje stuff.

[flockofseagulls104]

Explain to me why I should believe any of your 'sources', sir.

You don't have to believe any of my sources. However, you do have to prove fraud, whether in a civil or criminal context. (Even in a civil context, you have to produce clear and convincing evidence of fraud.) What Trump and Musk have done is the equivalent of Joe McCarthy claiming he had the names of 57 Communists in the State Department in his notebook and then never producing the notebook.

Unless and until you show any evidence of new, substantial actual fraud unearthed by DOGE, I'm done with this discussion (as I should have been about three responses ago).

Oh, poor baby.

Here's just from June.
https://x.com/DOGE/status/1940544139680272837

https://x.com/DOGE/status/1938215636003389489

https://x.com/DOGE/status/1933380569326629276

https://x.com/DOGE/status/1933249138998829216

https://x.com/DOGE/status/1932259460128579718

https://x.com/DOGE/status/1931120527806280122

https://x.com/DOGE/status/1931040711467774403

https://x.com/DOGE/status/1930109883921084536

https://x.com/DOGE/status/1929040977404014855

[mrkelley23]

Did you not see the media (and thus average voter) rail against Musk and his DOGE team? The left, swampy Republicans, and thus the media, don't want controls, just give-a-ways (for votes). If some of your money falls through the cracks, it's a cost of doing business.

Hmmm. This sounds like an incredibly intricate, difficult case to make. I wonder when DOJ started its investigation?

No snark here. I would imagine administration was briefed on this particular morass. Perhaps it contributed as one impetus for doje stuff.

What prompted this was BiT's post, saying that "the left, swamp Repubs, blah blah blah" weren't interested in fixing the fraud. This investigation was begun in 2023, under the Biden DOJ, and most of the heavy lifting was done during that administration. It bothers me when the Trump administration continually tries to take credit for things that should really be duly credited to both sides.

[mrkelley23]

Hmmm. This sounds like an incredibly intricate, difficult case to make. I wonder when DOJ started its investigation?

No snark here. I would imagine administration was briefed on this particular morass. Perhaps it contributed as one impetus for doje stuff.

What prompted this was BiT's post, saying that "the left, swamp Repubs, blah blah blah" weren't interested in fixing the fraud. This investigation was begun in 2023, under the Biden DOJ, and most of the heavy lifting was done during that administration. It bothers me when the Trump administration continually tries to take credit for things that should really be duly credited to both sides.

And in fairness, I should also point out that the Biden administration continued many of the policies begun under Trump 1.0, and never gave credit there either, e.g. tariffs, etc.

[silverscreenselect]

Oh, poor baby.

Here's just from June.

I didn't see any examples of fraud there. Leaving aside all the evidence that DOGE claims of "savings" are in many cases, overly optimistic maximum estimates, sheer guesses, inaccuracies, gross exaggerations, filled with math errors, contracts that were expiring or had otherwise already been scheduled for termination or others that were legally non-cancellable due to contractual provisions, most of what is labeled "waste" is a difference of opinion as to what we should be spending money on. Many people feel that providing aid to combat famine in third-world countries is a worthy expenditure of US funds; others do not. Similarly helping fund Boys and Girls Clubs in this country is not considered a proper use of funds by some. That doesn't mean that the spending is "wasteful" in the sense most people think of waste.