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by kroxquo » Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:30 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:23 pm
In the Spring area in our basic vicinity a 12 yr old was killed by two "undocumented" sorts.
There are also many folks from the mideast, far east coming across the suthren border. Do they, too, deserve asylum?
In the school where I teach, there are at least two students that I know of whose parent(s) are undocumented. There are undoubtedlly more. I find these students to be among the hardest working and polite students I have. Their parents are ag workers in our county, which absolutely depends on them for labor. These are the kinds of people who make up the vast majority of immigrants coming to this country, just as it always been. Yes there are some bad actors; there always have been and always will be. But study after study shows that the country has a net gain on many scales from immigration. That is the side of the immigration debate that does not g e t told.
And yes, if someone from the Middle East or Asia is fleeing unlivable conditions where they were, they too deserve asylum.
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by BackInTex » Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:49 pm
kroxquo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:30 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:23 pm
In the Spring area in our basic vicinity a 12 yr old was killed by two "undocumented" sorts.
There are also many folks from the mideast, far east coming across the suthren border. Do they, too, deserve asylum?
But study after study shows that the country has a net gain on many scales from immigration.
{sigh} No one is arguing against immigration, legal immigration. No one is arguing immigration, legal immigration, is not a good thing. Save your “study after study” comments for when the studies are relevant to the argument. Makes you seem like you’re just reaching for straws to support your opinions.
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by Beebs52 » Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:56 pm
Seriously. We have lotsa folks here working with green cards. They did not cross the border illegally in a truck, canoe, whatever. Look at the border shit please. Stop pandering and being dense.
Well, then
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by tlynn78 » Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:02 pm
kroxquo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:30 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:23 pm
In the Spring area in our basic vicinity a 12 yr old was killed by two "undocumented" sorts.
There are also many folks from the mideast, far east coming across the suthren border. Do they, too, deserve asylum?
In the school where I teach, there are at least two students that I know of whose parent(s) are undocumented. There are undoubtedlly more. I find these students to be among the hardest working and polite students I have. Their parents are ag workers in our county, which absolutely depends on them for labor. These are the kinds of people who make up the vast majority of immigrants coming to this country, just as it always been. Yes there are some bad actors; there always have been and always will be. But study after study shows that the country has a net gain on many scales from immigration. That is the side of the immigration debate that does not g e t told.
And yes, if someone from the Middle East or Asia is fleeing unlivable conditions where they were, they too deserve asylum.
(Has anyone figured out why the word g e t causes a 404 error?)
I'm sure that's a great comfort to the loved ones of the dead and/or raped kids.
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by flockofseagulls104 » Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:12 pm
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:18 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 2:48 pm
And I am 100% certain there were good, law-abiding people in Charlottesville that did not support the idea of taking down that statue. I know you weren't there, and you are taking the word of many equally TDS-suffering people, when you know it was impossible to ascertain what you are claiming.
So you believe Snopes only when it agrees with you and disbelieve the complete dearth of evidence about any actual "very fine people" being there. And there were law-abiding people in Charlottesville that did not support the idea of taking down that statue. They stayed away from that demonstration because they knew what was going to happen. The people taking part in the demonstration were the neo-Nazis and white supremacists shown in many, many pictures. Funny how there's not a single picture or tweet or Facebook post showing genuine "really fine people" at the demonstration.
Got it.
No, I don't believe snopes or any of those other 'fact checkers' for a second. The only thing they use to support their facts is what you use: main stream media 'news' reports and quotes from their cherry picked experts. My point is that even your biased, bullshit fact-checker site finally had to admit the truth. How do you get through the day with that pea brain of yours?
I have made my statement about Charlottesville. as usual it went over your head, so you ignored it. That's what you do. Ignore anything you can't answer and revert to your old, discredited position. Show me the radius where there were no fine people and prove it. Tell me why his condemnation of the very people you refer to is not taken into consideration. Or shut up about it.
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by silverscreenselect » Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:48 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:12 pm
That's what you do. Ignore anything you can't answer and revert to your old, discredited position. Show me the radius where there were no fine people and prove it.
What you always do when you or Trump make a ridiculous statement like that is to ask me to prove it's not true. You and Trump and Dennis Prager said there were "very fine people" in Charlottesville. You should be able to produce evidence of at least one such person.
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by Weyoun » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:00 am
Lol. The same crowd that completely brushes aside Countless numbers of gun deaths now cherry picking the random example spoonfed to them by OAN to say that all illegal immigrants are rapists.
I would say that when I encounter such migrants - because I have a role with community involves interacting with people from all sorts of different social classes and situations - I find them to be decent and hard-working and just worried about their loved ones. Of course I don’t ask them about child rape, but I’m not surprised the people who support Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan would jump to that part of the conversation
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by Weyoun » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:05 am
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:23 pm
In the Spring area in our basic vicinity a 12 yr old was killed by two "undocumented" sorts.
There are also many folks from the mideast, far east coming across the suthren border. Do they, too, deserve asylum?
See that’s the thing. There’s a difference between giving everyone asylum and using some sort of regulatory process. I agree, you cannot have uncontrolled chaos at the southern border.
But on the other hand, I think mostly people came here just to work and add to our society and there’s no reason why they can’t be processed to give them some sort of work permit or something like that, instead be put in wire cages or asked to fight mixed martial arts on TV.
Tlynn would suggest that all all these people are criminals, but she’s probably the most unreformed bigot amongst us, and I don’t expect her to understand
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by Weyoun » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:09 am
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:56 pm
Seriously. We have lotsa folks here working with green cards. They did not cross the border illegally in a truck, canoe, whatever. Look at the border shit please. Stop pandering and being dense.
Do you actually understand how difficult it is to get a green card? Let me give you one example. We give out the same number of green the cards, in theory, to citizens of the Marshall Islands, that we do to citizens of India.
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by silverscreenselect » Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:37 am
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:09 am
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:56 pm
Seriously. We have lotsa folks here working with green cards. They did not cross the border illegally in a truck, canoe, whatever. Look at the border shit please. Stop pandering and being dense.
Do you actually understand how difficult it is to get a green card? Let me give you one example. We give out the same number of green the cards, in theory, to citizens of the Marshall Islands, that we do to citizens of India.
I'm not sure how I should react to this. Perhaps you could help. Would you consider the Marshall Islands more like Norway or a shithole country in terms of how we should view immigrants?
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by tlynn78 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:13 am
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:37 am
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:09 am
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:56 pm
Seriously. We have lotsa folks here working with green cards. They did not cross the border illegally in a truck, canoe, whatever. Look at the border shit please. Stop pandering and being dense.
Do you actually understand how difficult it is to get a green card? Let me give you one example. We give out the same number of green the cards, in theory, to citizens of the Marshall Islands, that we do to citizens of India.
I'm not sure how I should react to this. Perhaps you could help. Would you consider the Marshall Islands more like Norway or a shithole country in terms of how we should view immigrants?
I'm sure the good doc will get back to you on that. He does, after all, possess the complete listing of all things scatological.
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by BackInTex » Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:52 am
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:00 am
I would say that when I encounter such migrants - because I have a role with community involves interacting with people from all sorts of different social classes and situations - I find them to be decent and hard-working and just worried about their loved ones.
Perhaps you should do a week of night shifts at Ben Taub in Houston.
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by Weyoun » Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:41 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:52 am
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:00 am
I would say that when I encounter such migrants - because I have a role with community involves interacting with people from all sorts of different social classes and situations - I find them to be decent and hard-working and just worried about their loved ones.
Perhaps you should do a week of night shifts at Ben Taub in Houston.
Perhaps YOU should observe life there for one week. You be a little less comfortable with all of our gun culture after it. Or maybe not. You seem to shrug when kids die.
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by Weyoun » Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:42 am
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:13 am
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:37 am
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:09 am
Do you actually understand how difficult it is to get a green card? Let me give you one example. We give out the same number of green the cards, in theory, to citizens of the Marshall Islands, that we do to citizens of India.
I'm not sure how I should react to this. Perhaps you could help. Would you consider the Marshall Islands more like Norway or a shithole country in terms of how we should view immigrants?
I'm sure the good doc will get back to you on that. He does, after all, possess the complete listing of all things scatological.
Really, it’s not a very long list, when knowing about you covers the gamut of it
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by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:47 am
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:41 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:52 am
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:00 am
I would say that when I encounter such migrants - because I have a role with community involves interacting with people from all sorts of different social classes and situations - I find them to be decent and hard-working and just worried about their loved ones.
Perhaps you should do a week of night shifts at Ben Taub in Houston.
Perhaps YOU should observe life there for one week. You be a little less comfortable with all of our gun culture after it. Or maybe not. You seem to shrug when kids die.
Your shallowness is very disturbing.
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by Weyoun » Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:23 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:47 am
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:41 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:52 am
Perhaps you should do a week of night shifts at Ben Taub in Houston.
Perhaps YOU should observe life there for one week. You be a little less comfortable with all of our gun culture after it. Or maybe not. You seem to shrug when kids die.
Your shallowness is very disturbing.
Bold statement coming from the guy with a Trump Bible
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by Beebs52 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:31 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:41 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:52 am
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:00 am
I would say that when I encounter such migrants - because I have a role with community involves interacting with people from all sorts of different social classes and situations - I find them to be decent and hard-working and just worried about their loved ones.
Perhaps you should do a week of night shifts at Ben Taub in Houston.
Perhaps YOU should observe life there for one week. You be a little less comfortable with all of our gun culture after it. Or maybe not. You seem to shrug when kids die.
Do you think those injuries/deaths all involved legal guns? And who here shrugs when kids die?
Well, then
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by BackInTex » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:26 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:31 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:41 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:52 am
Perhaps you should do a week of night shifts at Ben Taub in Houston.
Perhaps YOU should observe life there for one week. You be a little less comfortable with all of our gun culture after it. Or maybe not. You seem to shrug when kids die.
Do you think those injuries/deaths all involved legal guns? And who here shrugs when kids die?
Doc shrugged when Jocelyn Nungaray was raped and murdered. SSS, too, I believe. Krox?
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by tlynn78 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:29 pm
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:26 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:31 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:41 am
Perhaps YOU should observe life there for one week. You be a little less comfortable with all of our gun culture after it. Or maybe not. You seem to shrug when kids die.
Do you think those injuries/deaths all involved legal guns? And who here shrugs when kids die?
Doc shrugged when Jocelyn Nungaray was raped and murdered. SSS, too, I believe. Krox?
And Laken Riley and the list will grow.
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by silverscreenselect » Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:16 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:29 pm
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:26 pm
Doc shrugged when Jocelyn Nungaray was raped and murdered. SSS, too, I believe. Krox?
And Laken Riley and the list will grow.
And how many more crimes will be committed because of all the police resources that are diverted towards rounding up undocumented migrants?
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by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:00 pm
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:16 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:29 pm
BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:26 pm
Doc shrugged when Jocelyn Nungaray was raped and murdered. SSS, too, I believe. Krox?
And Laken Riley and the list will grow.
And how many more crimes will be committed because of all the police resources that are diverted towards rounding up undocumented migrants?
Yeah, he's right! We need them out arresting people for bookkeeping entries, "baseless" false statements that are true, slandering porn stars, protesting in front of abortion clinics and at school board meetings, being Catholic, using the wrong pronouns and them there REAL crimes. After we defund their departments, of course. Let's get our priorities straight.
We needs our illegal aliens. We wouldn't be a democracy without them.
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by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:06 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:23 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:47 am
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:41 am
Perhaps YOU should observe life there for one week. You be a little less comfortable with all of our gun culture after it. Or maybe not. You seem to shrug when kids die.
Your shallowness is very disturbing.
Bold statement coming from the guy with a Trump Bible
BZZZZ Wrong guess, doc, Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?
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by tlynn78 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:09 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:00 am
Lol. The same crowd that completely brushes aside Countless numbers of gun deaths now cherry picking the random example spoonfed to them by OAN to say that all illegal immigrants are rapists.
I would say that when I encounter such migrants - because I have a role with community involves interacting with people from all sorts of different social classes and situations - I find them to be decent and hard-working and just worried about their loved ones. Of course I don’t ask them about child rape, but I’m not surprised the people who support Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan would jump to that part of the conversation
I'm not terribly familiar with Gaetz - is he the one who was sleeping with the Chinese spy? No? Oh, wait...
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by Beebs52 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:50 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:09 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:00 am
Lol. The same crowd that completely brushes aside Countless numbers of gun deaths now cherry picking the random example spoonfed to them by OAN to say that all illegal immigrants are rapists.
I would say that when I encounter such migrants - because I have a role with community involves interacting with people from all sorts of different social classes and situations - I find them to be decent and hard-working and just worried about their loved ones. Of course I don’t ask them about child rape, but I’m not surprised the people who support Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan would jump to that part of the conversation
I'm not terribly familiar with Gaetz - is he the one who was sleeping with the Chinese spy? No? Oh, wait...
Doc. Really
Well, then
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by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:25 pm
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:48 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 8:12 pm
That's what you do. Ignore anything you can't answer and revert to your old, discredited position. Show me the radius where there were no fine people and prove it.
What you always do when you or Trump make a ridiculous statement like that is to ask me to prove it's not true. You and Trump and Dennis Prager said there were "very fine people" in Charlottesville. You should be able to produce evidence of at least one such person.
I'm awaiting the mental gymnastics and gyrations you're going to go through Friday morning to claim Trump won the debate... if he shows up.
No, actually I am asking you to prove your statement is true. You proclaim it, but you have no concrete evidence to back it up. Only your own prejudice. I have proved it not to be true. He categorically and indisputably said in the same statement you are quoting falsely from that he completely condemned the people you say he was praising. For god's sake, just admit it and be done with it! Or take the best option available to you and never mention the subject again.
It's Friday morning. You have admitted trump won the debate yourself. And he showed up. Not gloating, just stating the facts. Lots of time before the election, things could change. But biden is going to need a lot more than 81 million votes (my ass) to steal the election this time. And it will be a lot harder to explain where those votes could have possibly come from.
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