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Montana Climate Change Case

#1 Post by kroxquo » Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:16 pm

A group of young people in Montana prevailed in a case where they sued the state claiming that "state agencies were violating their [Montana state] constitutional right to a clean and healthful environment by allowing fossil fuel development." Full story:

https://apnews.com/article/climate-chan ... 1c73397db0
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#2 Post by earendel » Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:24 am

I'm curious to know what tlynn thinks about this.
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Re: Montana Climate Change Case

#3 Post by BackInTex » Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:59 am

earendel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:24 am
I'm curious to know what tlynn thinks about this.
She will think it sill or stupid. Because it is.
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Re: Montana Climate Change Case

#4 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:36 am

BackInTex wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:59 am
earendel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:24 am
I'm curious to know what tlynn thinks about this.
She will think it sill or stupid. Because it is.
Thank you for this cogent legal analysis. Perhaps you'd like to explain how your analysis applies to the relevant provision of the Montana Constitution. --Bob
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Re: Montana Climate Change Case

#5 Post by tlynn78 » Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:19 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:36 am
BackInTex wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:59 am
earendel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:24 am
I'm curious to know what tlynn thinks about this.
She will think it sill or stupid. Because it is.
Thank you for this cogent legal analysis. Perhaps you'd like to explain how your analysis applies to the relevant provision of the Montana Constitution. --Bob
I think it's a bunch of adults using kids to further their own agenda, a la Thunberg. We'll see if it survives appeal. The 'relevant provision' can be contrued in a wide variety of ways. I do wonder if anyone has informed these children what they stand to lose without benefit of fossil fuels and their by-products. I somehow doubt that's been covered in depth.
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Re: Montana Climate Change Case

#6 Post by Spock » Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:12 pm

There are far more young people in Montana who make a living in the coal/oil/gas industry providing necessary stuff for us than these few spoiled brats who would have us freeze and starve in the dark if they get their way.

I would also expect (yeah, right) that the "Young People" will be strongly behind any proposed mining expansions that will be necessary to produce all the solar panels and wind towers that they want.

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Re: Montana Climate Change Case

#7 Post by Estonut » Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:50 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:36 am
BackInTex wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:59 am
earendel wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:24 am
I'm curious to know what tlynn thinks about this.
She will think it sill or stupid. Because it is.
Thank you for this cogent legal analysis. Perhaps you'd like to explain how your analysis applies to the relevant provision of the Montana Constitution.
Thank you for your cogent legal analysis. Perhaps you'd like to explain how your outdated citation is relevant here.
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Re: Montana Climate Change Case

#8 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:59 pm

Estonut wrote:
Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:50 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:36 am
BackInTex wrote:
Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:59 am
She will think it sill or stupid. Because it is.
Thank you for this cogent legal analysis. Perhaps you'd like to explain how your analysis applies to the relevant provision of the Montana Constitution.
Thank you for your cogent legal analysis. Perhaps you'd like to explain how your outdated citation is relevant here.
Congratulations to the king of the nitpick. You got me. Here is a more current link. Note that there's no difference at all in the language. --Bob
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