Question re war

[flockofseagulls104]

I'm going to try and hold off the sarcasm here but it's difficult.
I really don't understand your thinking on this. Maybe it's better not to even ponder it.

I can't say these things wouldn't have happened if Trump was still in the White House. I am not clairvoyant, or whatever you have to be to see 'what if'. And I definitely don't know anything about biology. (oops, slipped up there) but:

Maybe Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Donald Trump was still President, but if he was so buddy-buddy with Putin, as your debunked narrative contends, why the hell didn't Putin just do it when Trump was in office? Why did he wait until a year into Biden's administration? According to your stupid narrative, it was Trump that was Putin's pal, and Biden would put a stop to all of Putin's evil plans. What happened? How do you rationalize this in your head?


Maybe our abandonment of Afghanistan would have gone bad if Trump was still President, but how can you just brush off the fact we basically surrendered to them and left hundreds if not thousands of people there that are under grave danger from the taliban and left billions of dollars worth of military hardware to them intact? Do you let Biden slide on that because, of course, it would have been worse with Trump? What kind of critical thinking is that from you all, who tout yourself as knowing, if not everything, at least a lot more than everyone else who disagrees with you? Are we all supposed to go along with that?

Maybe our economy would not have bounced back to the record prosperity we experienced in Trump's years before covid hit, but how can you rationalize the record setting inflation in everything we are now experiencing? And have any confidence that Biden's team has any clue how to address it other than spending your money on more government programs? On what evidence do you base that confidence?

Now I can go on and on with this rant, but I know it won't do any good. None of you will directly address any of these questions, and my stalker will call me names or some such. But it feels good to make you mad. When you get mad, you actually show us who you really are. Right, doctor?

[Spock]

I know he took the Crimea when Obama was Prez and now 2 provinces (or whatever they are) in eastern Ukraine when Biden was President-but I just can't recall any under Trump.

Trump spent most of his time trying to pressure the Ukraine into investigating Hunter Biden. Trump sold some weapons to Ukraine before having his big hug-and-kiss summit with Putin. After that, he delayed sending additional weapons to Ukraine for several months while the attempts to get Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden were going on. What really triggered the current buildup was a request by Zelensky to Biden to join NATO. Needless to say, neither he nor his predecessor wasted their time checking with Trump.

Ok, blah, blah, blah, Orange Man Bad-but it still begs the question how many Ukrainian regions did Putin take when Trump was president?

I recall the Crimea when Obama was president and now the Donbass under Biden-but I just don't remember any under Trump.

It is the funniest thing in the world how Trump lives rent-free in your head.

[flockofseagulls104]

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Now we know that Donny would never find a solution. Because he thinks this is a genius move by Putin so he doesn't see a problem.

I'm curious, flock -- do you ever get tired of being proven wrong so thoroughly and so quickly? Remember, you were the one back in early 2020 who was convinced that all of the concern about a potential pandemic was nothing more than sky-is-falling panic. --Bob

Boby, you're so prescient! The MSM is full to the top with this story, saying how Trump praised Putin, when he was actually blasting Biden and fools like you that would buy Putin's 'Liberator' bullshit! Not only do you think we're utter morons, so does the MSM. But we already knew they did. They only write their stories for people like you who are ACTUAL morons because you believe what they write.

[wbtravis007]

If Donny were still in office, the Russian Army would already be camped out in Kyiv with Donny sending Putin fanboy messages and the European response (absent American leadership) in total disarray.

The Russians had 4 years under Trump to get to Kyiv, yet they didn't move any troops until Biden took over. They most likely decided to invade once they saw how Biden handled the situation in Afghanistan.

I’m curious about what you think Trump would be doing now or that Putin might have thought that he would do that would have deterred him. Conventional war? Nuclear? Or something else that I’m not thinking of? What would you be in favor of doing or threatening?

[flockofseagulls104]

If Donny were still in office, the Russian Army would already be camped out in Kyiv with Donny sending Putin fanboy messages and the European response (absent American leadership) in total disarray.

The Russians had 4 years under Trump to get to Kyiv, yet they didn't move any troops until Biden took over. They most likely decided to invade once they saw how Biden handled the situation in Afghanistan.

I’m curious about what you think Trump would be doing now or that Putin might have thought that he would do that would have deterred him. Conventional war? Nuclear? Or something else that I’m not thinking of? What would you be in favor of doing or threatening?

Well, an actual question from you instead of a pointy stick. That's refreshing.

People like Putin and dictators in general, only respect strength. If they see weakness, that's what they try to exploit. Putin took Crimea because he sensed weakness and took advantage of it. Now he's taken more. Trump talked tough, like Reagan did, and both got excoriated by the press and their political enemies. But both advocated peace through strength, which I am pretty sure you disagree with, but it seems to work. Because bullies like Putin don't want to take the chance that their advances will be thwarted. Obama let ISIS grow, but within months of when Trump took office, they were beaten down. Putin and other dictators with their eyes on causing trouble look at things like that and think twice. I don't think Putin would have done anything if Trump was in office.

But are you asking me what should we do now since Putin has done what he did? I honestly can't tell you, because I have no idea what the options are at this point. But a good leader would have asked for options and prepared for this eventuality long before it happened, so they had the most options available to them. It looks like all Biden has at this point is 'sanctions', which aren't going to hurt the oligarchs all that much. just the people. Maybe he has other options, but judging from past experience, it's not going to project any strength. Which not only makes this situation worse, but gives China more incentive to do what they want to do.

So there's my answer. Are you going to stay civil, or revert back to trollism?

[wbtravis007]

The Russians had 4 years under Trump to get to Kyiv, yet they didn't move any troops until Biden took over. They most likely decided to invade once they saw how Biden handled the situation in Afghanistan.

I’m curious about what you think Trump would be doing now or that Putin might have thought that he would do that would have deterred him. Conventional war? Nuclear? Or something else that I’m not thinking of? What would you be in favor of doing or threatening?

Well, an actual question from you instead of a pointy stick. That's refreshing.

People like Putin and dictators in general, only respect strength. If they see weakness, that's what they try to exploit. Putin took Crimea because he sensed weakness and took advantage of it. Now he's taken more. Trump talked tough, like Reagan did, and both got excoriated by the press and their political enemies. But both advocated peace through strength, which I am pretty sure you disagree with, but it seems to work. Because bullies like Putin don't want to take the chance that their advances will be thwarted. Obama let ISIS grow, but within months of when Trump took office, they were beaten down. Putin and other dictators with their eyes on causing trouble look at things like that and think twice. I don't think Putin would have done anything if Trump was in office.

But are you asking me what should we do now since Putin has done what he did? I honestly can't tell you, because I have no idea what the options are at this point. But a good leader would have asked for options and prepared for this eventuality long before it happened, so they had the most options available to them. It looks like all Biden has at this point is 'sanctions', which aren't going to hurt the oligarchs all that much. just the people. Maybe he has other options, but judging from past experience, it's not going to project any strength. Which not only makes this situation worse, but gives China more incentive to do what they want to do.

So there's my answer. Are you going to stay civil, or revert back to trollism?

I was responding to Estonut’s comment, and asking him.

This, along with all of the other posts of yours that I’ve read — and I’m sure I’ve missed many — just makes me want to reiterate my previous channeling:

Seek help now.

And, I’ll add this one from him as well:

You are frothing

[silverscreenselect]

Trump talked tough, like Reagan did,

Here's examples of tough talk. By the way, tough talk doesn't mean praising your adversary for being tough. I'm no fan of Ronald Reagan, but you would never have heard him making any of the comments Trump made about Putin and Russia.

[Bob78164]

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Now we know that Donny would never find a solution. Because he thinks this is a genius move by Putin so he doesn't see a problem.

I'm curious, flock -- do you ever get tired of being proven wrong so thoroughly and so quickly? Remember, you were the one back in early 2020 who was convinced that all of the concern about a potential pandemic was nothing more than sky-is-falling panic. --Bob

Boby, you're so prescient! The MSM is full to the top with this story, saying how Trump praised Putin, when he was actually blasting Biden and fools like you that would buy Putin's 'Liberator' bullshit! Not only do you think we're utter morons, so does the MSM. But we already knew they did. They only write their stories for people like you who are ACTUAL morons because you believe what they write.

It looks like Liz Cheney is right there with the rest of us in the reality-based world. Which, of course, is why she's in so much trouble with what remains of the Republican Party. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Now we know that Donny would never find a solution. Because he thinks this is a genius move by Putin so he doesn't see a problem.

I'm curious, flock -- do you ever get tired of being proven wrong so thoroughly and so quickly? Remember, you were the one back in early 2020 who was convinced that all of the concern about a potential pandemic was nothing more than sky-is-falling panic. --Bob

Boby, you're so prescient! The MSM is full to the top with this story, saying how Trump praised Putin, when he was actually blasting Biden and fools like you that would buy Putin's 'Liberator' bullshit! Not only do you think we're utter morons, so does the MSM. But we already knew they did. They only write their stories for people like you who are ACTUAL morons because you believe what they write.

There is a way to criticize Biden without lavishing praise on Putin. You didn't hear any American politicians praising the Japanese for their brilliant military strategy after Pearl Harbor. You didn't hear any Democrats praising Osama bin Laden after 9/11. But Trump feels he had to jump on his buddy's bandwagon.

[silverscreenselect]

I recall the Crimea when Obama was president and now the Donbass under Biden-but I just don't remember any under Trump.

There has been fighting in the Donbass region since 2014 with Russian troops actively involved at times. Over 10,000 people have been killed. The separatists control roughly the same amount of territory today they did eight years ago. The only differences are Putin's formal recognition of the so-called "People's Republics" and dropping the secrecy about Russian troop involvement.

Obviously, Putin intends this latest move as part of his provocation campaign and search for an excuse to justify a full-scale, massive invasion. He was probably also testing the waters to see what sort of response he would get from the West, and if there would be any arguments among the various nations of what sanctions to impose.

And you seem to think that Putin's only way to gain control over Ukraine was with a full-scale invasion. That costs troops, equipment, and money, as the Russians have learned in the past. It's easier for a destabilization campaign that results in a friendly if not puppet government. Putin has what he wants in Belarus and it didn't cost him a single casualty or bullet. That plan fell apart with the election of Zelensky and his revelation to be a fairly strong leader. I do think that Putin held off on a full-scale escalation in 2020 to see if Trump was re-elected. It would definitely be easier accomplishing his goals without a strong American or NATO force to oppose him.

Biden and the Western leaders anticipated that Putin would try just something like he's done in the Donbass. That's what prompted Biden's first, somewhat garbled response regarding a Russian incursion. I think that what Biden was trying to say was something like what's actually happened, and that this was the West's plan all along. I also think that some of the Western leaders weren't fully on board with massive sanctions in this event because they would essentially force Putin's hand. The new German chancellor hemmed and hawed at first when asked about whether the pipeline would be part of the sanctions.

Biden has two problems on his hands. One is dealing with Putin, and the other is dealing with his 20 or more NATO allies. Trump pretty much gutted NATO while he was in office, and Biden has done a remarkable job of bringing it back in a year's time.

[flockofseagulls104]

Now we know that Donny would never find a solution. Because he thinks this is a genius move by Putin so he doesn't see a problem.

I'm curious, flock -- do you ever get tired of being proven wrong so thoroughly and so quickly? Remember, you were the one back in early 2020 who was convinced that all of the concern about a potential pandemic was nothing more than sky-is-falling panic. --Bob

Boby, you're so prescient! The MSM is full to the top with this story, saying how Trump praised Putin, when he was actually blasting Biden and fools like you that would buy Putin's 'Liberator' bullshit! Not only do you think we're utter morons, so does the MSM. But we already knew they did. They only write their stories for people like you who are ACTUAL morons because you believe what they write.

It looks like Liz Cheney is right there with the rest of us in the reality-based world. Which, of course, is why she's in so much trouble with what remains of the Republican Party. --Bob

It is sickening the way you, the MSM and the RINOs like Cheney are so stupid to interpret what Trump said as in any way supporting the invasion of Ukraine when it was exactly the opposite. I agree with Trump. It was a brilliant strategy to frame a completely military invasion of a sovereign country as a 'peacekeeping' mission. He is not there to keep the peace, he invaded Ukraine while we did nothing. As Trump said, with his tongue in his cheek, it was the strongest peacekeeping force that's ever been seen. Do you not understand sarcasm? How could you not understand that he was saying that Putin was doing exactly what Hitler did with his neighbors in Europe, invading and occupying them, and he was claiming he was a 'peacekeeper'? Claiming that he, Putin, declared those provinces independent. What authority does he have to make them independent? But the MSM and all you sheep pretend the main point of this interview of Trump was that he thought Putin was a genius. To frame what he said the way you and the MSM are doing is outright LYING! And yes, this shows that the MSM is the enemy of the people.

[kroxquo]

Maybe Putin would have invaded Ukraine if Donald Trump was still President, but if he was so buddy-buddy with Putin, as your debunked narrative contends, why the hell didn't Putin just do it when Trump was in office? Why did he wait until a year into Biden's administration? According to your stupid narrative, it was Trump that was Putin's pal, and Biden would put a stop to all of Putin's evil plans. What happened? How do you rationalize this in your head?

The key thing that happened was President Zelensky's inquiry about Ukraine joining NATO. That is a point that is non-negotiable for Putin as he does not want NATO at his front door. Putin, according to his statement on Monday, feels that Ukraine should not exist as a separate country and should be part of Russia (not surprising for someone who has also said the collapse of the Soviet Union was one of the most disastrous events in history). I think that Putin was content to let Ukraine be as long as it had the Crimea and a pliable government in place as the previous regime was and Belarus currently is. However with Zelensky as a democratically elected President, who is not friendly toward Moscow, that poses a threat to him. The NATO inquiry provided the impetus for this move.

Am I able to read Putin's mind? No, but from what I can see from history, that is my take.

[Bob78164]

This is going to get bad. Fox propaganda outlets are already attempting to undermine American will to resist the invasion. Wait'll you see what happens when we start paying higher gas prices and higher inflation attributable to the dispute. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

It is sickening the way you, the MSM and the RINOs like Cheney are so stupid to interpret what Trump said as in any way supporting the invasion of Ukraine when it was exactly the opposite. I agree with Trump. It was a brilliant strategy to frame a completely military invasion of a sovereign country as a 'peacekeeping' mission.

It remains to be seen how brilliant a strategy Putin's move in the Eastern region was. It hasn't added one square foot of territory to Russian control yet. It hasn't fooled anyone or given any nation pause. The overall Western strategy is to isolate Putin and turn the Russian people against him even more than they are. Of course, Putin doesn't care about public opinion the way American politicians do, but he does have to work with his advisors and the oligarchs to some extent. Already, Russian media are heavily promoting what Trump and Mike Pompeo said, which hampers any efforts Biden and the West may make to stop Putin.

Does anyone think that if Ronald Reagan were still alive, he would be praising Putin as a brilliant strategist right now?

[silverscreenselect]

How could you not understand that he was saying that Putin was doing exactly what Hitler did with his neighbors in Europe, invading and occupying them, and he was claiming he was a 'peacekeeper'? Claiming that he, Putin, declared those provinces independent. What authority does he have to make them independent? But the MSM and all you sheep pretend the main point of this interview of Trump was that he thought Putin was a genius. To frame what he said the way you and the MSM are doing is outright LYING! And yes, this shows that the MSM is the enemy of the people.

We all understood what Putin did. A lot of commenters made that point. They did not preface those comments by saying: "This is genius. Putin declares a big portion ... of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent. So, Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?'"

I fail to see any sarcasm here. I do see how Russian media could leap on these sound clips and play them endlessly.

Flock, I really worry that you're going to hurt yourself tying yourself into knots to keep justifying what Trump says and does.

[Bob Juch]

Now we know that Donny would never find a solution. Because he thinks this is a genius move by Putin so he doesn't see a problem.

I'm curious, flock -- do you ever get tired of being proven wrong so thoroughly and so quickly? Remember, you were the one back in early 2020 who was convinced that all of the concern about a potential pandemic was nothing more than sky-is-falling panic. --Bob

Bob, you are certainly a moron. You listened to that? Really? Or did you just link to it because of its title?
I guess you are one of those literal people. Yes, bob, it was a clever move by Putin. But he never would have done it with Trump as Commander in Chief. He only did it because of the weak, senile swamp dweller that got into office. I could make a long list of the glorious failures your guy has achieved in a little over a year in office. But you know them. Waste of my time. It is breathtaking how short-circuited your brain is that you think that link you posted proves me wrong somehow. I would love to see you argue a case with your lack of ability to comprehend human language and meaning. YES, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE JURY, HERE'S DONALD TRUMP ADMITTING HE WOULD HAVE LET PUTIN ANNEX PARTS OF UKRAINE!

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Trump sides with Putin as Biden tries to stop a war

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/23/politics ... index.html

(CNN)It took only 24 hours for Donald Trump to hail Russian President Vladimir Putin's dismembering of independent, democratic, sovereign Ukraine as an act of "genius."

The former President often accuses his enemies falsely of treason, but his own giddy rush to side with a foreign leader who is proving to be an enemy of the United States and the West is shocking even by Trump's self-serving standards.

As President Joe Biden reprises the fabled presidential role of leading the free world, the predecessor who wants to succeed him is showing Putin that impunity, dictator-coddling and hero worship will return if he wins back the White House. Trump's remarks on a conservative radio show on Tuesday will not only find a warm welcome in the Kremlin. They also will concern allies standing alongside the US against Russia who fear for NATO's future if Trump returns.

Trump also sent an unmistakable message to Republicans, who are already playing into Putin's hands by branding the current President as weak, that siding with a US foe is the way into the ex-President's affections ahead of this year's midterm primaries.

Trump didn't take long to make sure Putin knew he approved of his movement of troops into parts of eastern Ukraine, knowing that his comments would be picked up and beamed around the world.

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine, of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful," Trump said in an interview on "The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show."

The ex-President added: "So Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That's the strongest peace force," Trump said. "We could use that on our southern border. That's the strongest peace force I've ever seen. ... Here's a guy who's very savvy. ... I know him very well. Very, very well."

Trump was referring to Putin's declaration on Monday that he would regard two rebel regions of eastern Ukraine, where he has been fostering separatism, as independent and his order for Russian troops, which Putin misleadingly called "peacekeeping" forces, to reinforce the enclaves. The move was a flagrant violation of international law, was resonant of the tyrannical territorial aggrandizement of the 1930s that led to World War II and was, as Biden said on Tuesday, tantamount to "the beginning of a Russian invasion."

In effect, the ex-President is trying to undermine US foreign policy as the current President tries to stop a war that could kill thousands of people and threaten the post-Cold War peace.

<MORE>

[flockofseagulls104]

Bob, you are certainly a moron. You listened to that? Really? Or did you just link to it because of its title?
I guess you are one of those literal people. Yes, bob, it was a clever move by Putin. But he never would have done it with Trump as Commander in Chief. He only did it because of the weak, senile swamp dweller that got into office. I could make a long list of the glorious failures your guy has achieved in a little over a year in office. But you know them. Waste of my time. It is breathtaking how short-circuited your brain is that you think that link you posted proves me wrong somehow. I would love to see you argue a case with your lack of ability to comprehend human language and meaning. YES, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE JURY, HERE'S DONALD TRUMP ADMITTING HE WOULD HAVE LET PUTIN ANNEX PARTS OF UKRAINE!

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OK, Get ready, everybody! It's time for SilverScreenStalker! Take it away!!!!!

Trump sides with Putin as Biden tries to stop a war

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/23/politics ... index.html

(CNN)It took only 24 hours for Donald Trump to hail Russian President Vladimir Putin's dismembering of independent, democratic, sovereign Ukraine as an act of "genius."

The former President often accuses his enemies falsely of treason, but his own giddy rush to side with a foreign leader who is proving to be an enemy of the United States and the West is shocking even by Trump's self-serving standards.

As President Joe Biden reprises the fabled presidential role of leading the free world, the predecessor who wants to succeed him is showing Putin that impunity, dictator-coddling and hero worship will return if he wins back the White House. Trump's remarks on a conservative radio show on Tuesday will not only find a warm welcome in the Kremlin. They also will concern allies standing alongside the US against Russia who fear for NATO's future if Trump returns.

Trump also sent an unmistakable message to Republicans, who are already playing into Putin's hands by branding the current President as weak, that siding with a US foe is the way into the ex-President's affections ahead of this year's midterm primaries.

Trump didn't take long to make sure Putin knew he approved of his movement of troops into parts of eastern Ukraine, knowing that his comments would be picked up and beamed around the world.

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine, of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful," Trump said in an interview on "The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show."

The ex-President added: "So Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That's the strongest peace force," Trump said. "We could use that on our southern border. That's the strongest peace force I've ever seen. ... Here's a guy who's very savvy. ... I know him very well. Very, very well."

Trump was referring to Putin's declaration on Monday that he would regard two rebel regions of eastern Ukraine, where he has been fostering separatism, as independent and his order for Russian troops, which Putin misleadingly called "peacekeeping" forces, to reinforce the enclaves. The move was a flagrant violation of international law, was resonant of the tyrannical territorial aggrandizement of the 1930s that led to World War II and was, as Biden said on Tuesday, tantamount to "the beginning of a Russian invasion."

In effect, the ex-President is trying to undermine US foreign policy as the current President tries to stop a war that could kill thousands of people and threaten the post-Cold War peace.

<MORE>

A total misrepresentation. Of course it came from CNN. These people are either as brain dead as Biden, or they're purposefully misrepresenting what he said. In the case of CNN it is both. And look what they send out for their syncophant audience to digest. If you actually listen to what he said and pay attention to the tone and context of what he said, there is NO QUESTION that he is against what Putin did and was only impressed with the audacity and hypocrisy that Putin used to justify it.
Although any thinking person knows what Trump was communicating, I wish he would learn to speak more plainly and concisely and not give the assholes and liars in the media the opportunity to do what they did. There's a lot of non-thinking, hateful sheep that inhabit the MSM, the dem party and here on this bored, apparently. He needs to ditch his NY sarcasm and speak more plainly for the people who can't understand anything that's not literal.

[BackInTex]

A total misrepresentation. Of course it came from CNN. These people are either as brain dead as Biden, or they're purposefully misrepresenting what he said. In the case of CNN it is both. And look what they send out for their syncophant audience to digest. If you actually listen to what he said and pay attention to the tone and context of what he said, there is NO QUESTION that he is against what Putin did and was only impressed with the audacity and hypocrisy that Putin used to justify it.
Although any thinking person knows what Trump was communicating, I wish he would learn to speak more plainly and concisely and not give the assholes and liars in the media the opportunity to do what they did. There's a lot of non-thinking, hateful sheep that inhabit the MSM, the dem party and here on this bored, apparently. He needs to ditch his NY sarcasm and speak more plainly for the people who can't understand anything that's not literal.

It is a misrepresentation but Trump is right, what Putin is doing is genius. That said, it doesn't mean he or I support what he's doing. Something can be a smart thing to do to achieve your goals even when those goals are evil.

What we need is someone smart enough in the White House to acknowledge the brilliant chess play and to be able to counter. We don't have that.

[flockofseagulls104]

A total misrepresentation. Of course it came from CNN. These people are either as brain dead as Biden, or they're purposefully misrepresenting what he said. In the case of CNN it is both. And look what they send out for their syncophant audience to digest. If you actually listen to what he said and pay attention to the tone and context of what he said, there is NO QUESTION that he is against what Putin did and was only impressed with the audacity and hypocrisy that Putin used to justify it.
Although any thinking person knows what Trump was communicating, I wish he would learn to speak more plainly and concisely and not give the assholes and liars in the media the opportunity to do what they did. There's a lot of non-thinking, hateful sheep that inhabit the MSM, the dem party and here on this bored, apparently. He needs to ditch his NY sarcasm and speak more plainly for the people who can't understand anything that's not literal.

It is a misrepresentation but Trump is right, what Putin is doing is genius. That said, it doesn't mean he or I support what he's doing. Something can be a smart thing to do to achieve your goals even when those goals are evil.

What we need is someone smart enough in the White House to acknowledge the brilliant chess play and to be able to counter. We don't have that.

Exactly. Then you see how the MSM and all the idiots portray what he said and it makes you feel there is no hope for this country with the power these idiots control.

[tlynn78]

A total misrepresentation. Of course it came from CNN. These people are either as brain dead as Biden, or they're purposefully misrepresenting what he said. In the case of CNN it is both. And look what they send out for their syncophant audience to digest. If you actually listen to what he said and pay attention to the tone and context of what he said, there is NO QUESTION that he is against what Putin did and was only impressed with the audacity and hypocrisy that Putin used to justify it.
Although any thinking person knows what Trump was communicating, I wish he would learn to speak more plainly and concisely and not give the assholes and liars in the media the opportunity to do what they did. There's a lot of non-thinking, hateful sheep that inhabit the MSM, the dem party and here on this bored, apparently. He needs to ditch his NY sarcasm and speak more plainly for the people who can't understand anything that's not literal.

It is a misrepresentation but Trump is right, what Putin is doing is genius. That said, it doesn't mean he or I support what he's doing. Something can be a smart thing to do to achieve your goals even when those goals are evil.

What we need is someone smart enough in the White House to acknowledge the brilliant chess play and to be able to counter. We don't have that.

Exactly. Then you see how the MSM and all the idiots portray what he said and it makes you feel there is no hope for this country with the power these idiots control.

With these idiots in control, and so very many more idiots swallowing the bullshit they're pushing.

[BackInTex]

It is a misrepresentation but Trump is right, what Putin is doing is genius. That said, it doesn't mean he or I support what he's doing. Something can be a smart thing to do to achieve your goals even when those goals are evil.

What we need is someone smart enough in the White House to acknowledge the brilliant chess play and to be able to counter. We don't have that.

Exactly. Then you see how the MSM and all the idiots portray what he said and it makes you feel there is no hope for this country with the power these idiots control.

With these idiots in control, and so very many more idiots swallowing the bullshit they're pushing.

Everything is happening just as they want it. They know the American people don't want that so they pretend they don't either. But they are not doing what needs to be done to stop it.

[Bob Juch]

Bob, you are certainly a moron. You listened to that? Really? Or did you just link to it because of its title?
I guess you are one of those literal people. Yes, bob, it was a clever move by Putin. But he never would have done it with Trump as Commander in Chief. He only did it because of the weak, senile swamp dweller that got into office. I could make a long list of the glorious failures your guy has achieved in a little over a year in office. But you know them. Waste of my time. It is breathtaking how short-circuited your brain is that you think that link you posted proves me wrong somehow. I would love to see you argue a case with your lack of ability to comprehend human language and meaning. YES, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE JURY, HERE'S DONALD TRUMP ADMITTING HE WOULD HAVE LET PUTIN ANNEX PARTS OF UKRAINE!

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Trump sides with Putin as Biden tries to stop a war

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/23/politics ... index.html

(CNN)It took only 24 hours for Donald Trump to hail Russian President Vladimir Putin's dismembering of independent, democratic, sovereign Ukraine as an act of "genius."

The former President often accuses his enemies falsely of treason, but his own giddy rush to side with a foreign leader who is proving to be an enemy of the United States and the West is shocking even by Trump's self-serving standards.

As President Joe Biden reprises the fabled presidential role of leading the free world, the predecessor who wants to succeed him is showing Putin that impunity, dictator-coddling and hero worship will return if he wins back the White House. Trump's remarks on a conservative radio show on Tuesday will not only find a warm welcome in the Kremlin. They also will concern allies standing alongside the US against Russia who fear for NATO's future if Trump returns.

Trump also sent an unmistakable message to Republicans, who are already playing into Putin's hands by branding the current President as weak, that siding with a US foe is the way into the ex-President's affections ahead of this year's midterm primaries.

Trump didn't take long to make sure Putin knew he approved of his movement of troops into parts of eastern Ukraine, knowing that his comments would be picked up and beamed around the world.

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius.' Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine, of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful," Trump said in an interview on "The Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show."

The ex-President added: "So Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?' And he's going to go in and be a peacekeeper. That's the strongest peace force," Trump said. "We could use that on our southern border. That's the strongest peace force I've ever seen. ... Here's a guy who's very savvy. ... I know him very well. Very, very well."

Trump was referring to Putin's declaration on Monday that he would regard two rebel regions of eastern Ukraine, where he has been fostering separatism, as independent and his order for Russian troops, which Putin misleadingly called "peacekeeping" forces, to reinforce the enclaves. The move was a flagrant violation of international law, was resonant of the tyrannical territorial aggrandizement of the 1930s that led to World War II and was, as Biden said on Tuesday, tantamount to "the beginning of a Russian invasion."

In effect, the ex-President is trying to undermine US foreign policy as the current President tries to stop a war that could kill thousands of people and threaten the post-Cold War peace.

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A total misrepresentation. Of course it came from CNN. These people are either as brain dead as Biden, or they're purposefully misrepresenting what he said. In the case of CNN it is both. And look what they send out for their syncophant audience to digest. If you actually listen to what he said and pay attention to the tone and context of what he said, there is NO QUESTION that he is against what Putin did and was only impressed with the audacity and hypocrisy that Putin used to justify it.
Although any thinking person knows what Trump was communicating, I wish he would learn to speak more plainly and concisely and not give the assholes and liars in the media the opportunity to do what they did. There's a lot of non-thinking, hateful sheep that inhabit the MSM, the dem party and here on this bored, apparently. He needs to ditch his NY sarcasm and speak more plainly for the people who can't understand anything that's not literal.

Those are direct quotes from TFG. Are you saying he didn't mean what he said?

[Bob Juch]

It is a misrepresentation but Trump is right, what Putin is doing is genius. That said, it doesn't mean he or I support what he's doing. Something can be a smart thing to do to achieve your goals even when those goals are evil.

What we need is someone smart enough in the White House to acknowledge the brilliant chess play and to be able to counter. We don't have that.

Exactly. Then you see how the MSM and all the idiots portray what he said and it makes you feel there is no hope for this country with the power these idiots control.

With these idiots in control, and so very many more idiots swallowing the bullshit they're pushing.

Okay, genius, what would you do?

[Spock]

Exactly. Then you see how the MSM and all the idiots portray what he said and it makes you feel there is no hope for this country with the power these idiots control.

With these idiots in control, and so very many more idiots swallowing the bullshit they're pushing.

Okay, genius, what would you do?

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

[BackInTex]

With these idiots in control, and so very many more idiots swallowing the bullshit they're pushing.

Okay, genius, what would you do?

I guess I would do whatever the Trump team did. For some reason, Putin's Ukraine land grabs took a 4-year vacation.

Biden can't. Trump showed strength, resolve, logic, awareness, shrewdness, confidence, and a general love for this country and freedom.