Question re war

[Beebs52]

I am not denigrating Biden and his team. I think we have to support our leaders in serious situations like this. Is anyone else freaked out about possibilities?

[flockofseagulls104]

I am not denigrating Biden and his team. I think we have to support our leaders in serious situations like this. Is anyone else freaked out about possibilities?

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Uh oh, here come the knee-jerkers......

Sorry, beebs. I'm sure your thread is hijacked now.

[Beebs52]

Could be. But we're not there. So.

[Bob78164]

I am not denigrating Biden and his team. I think we have to support our leaders in serious situations like this. Is anyone else freaked out about possibilities?

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Uh oh, here come the knee-jerkers......

Sorry, beebs. I'm sure your thread is hijacked now.

If Donny were still in office, the Russian Army would already be camped out in Kyiv with Donny sending Putin fanboy messages and the European response (absent American leadership) in total disarray. Donny would have treated our Ukrainian friends with all of the loyalty he showed the Kurds. And the rest of Europe, knowing this, would never have stood with us. --Bob

[Beebs52]

Sorry I posted this

[Beebs52]

Hey LB. Can you delete this?

[tlynn78]

Sorry I posted this

Aw, hell, let them expose their astounding stupidity. Again.

[flockofseagulls104]

Sorry I ruined your thread...

Post another one. I'll stay out of it.

[tlynn78]

Sorry I ruined your thread...

Post another one. I'll stay out of it.

Wasn't you, Flock. He and his ilk simply cannot help themselves. Trump didn't come through for them the first time in spite of all their hand-wringing certainty he would ".have us in a war in his first six months..." so they can only live on their manufactured, sick little fantasies. Beyond pathetic.

[silverscreenselect]

I am not denigrating Biden and his team. I think we have to support our leaders in serious situations like this. Is anyone else freaked out about possibilities?

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Uh oh, here come the knee-jerkers......

Sorry, beebs. I'm sure your thread is hijacked now.

If Donny were still in office, the Russian Army would already be camped out in Kyiv with Donny sending Putin fanboy messages and the European response (absent American leadership) in total disarray. Donny would have treated our Ukrainian friends with all of the loyalty he showed the Kurds. And the rest of Europe, knowing this, would never have stood with us. --Bob

One of the things Biden has done that doesn't get much credit is to repair the damage Trump did to NATO. This isn't just Biden standing up to Putin. This is all of NATO, which makes sanctions a lot more powerful. It also puts a unified military force on Russia's borders in Poland and Romania.

Putin doesn't care about the suffering of the Russian people or what they want. But he's not Kim Jung-Un. He is to some extent accountable to the oligarchs in Russia and that's where I think a lot of the pressure is going to be brought. If the sanctions make it difficult for them to move money and assets around, they may tire of any war in Ukraine very quickly.

[silverscreenselect]

Trump didn't come through for them the first time in spite of all their hand-wringing certainty he would ".have us in a war in his first six months..."

Trump didn't come through for us. But he sure came through for Vladimir Putin.

[a1mamacat]

Sorry I posted this

Don’t be sorry Beebs. This is some scary shite that is going on, and I think we should all be worried.

Blaming and shaming will do nothing. Sadly, many on both sides will just use this to snipe at each other more.

[Estonut]

If Donny were still in office, the Russian Army would already be camped out in Kyiv with Donny sending Putin fanboy messages and the European response (absent American leadership) in total disarray.

The Russians had 4 years under Trump to get to Kyiv, yet they didn't move any troops until Biden took over. They most likely decided to invade once they saw how Biden handled the situation in Afghanistan.

[kroxquo]

I am not denigrating Biden and his team. I think we have to support our leaders in serious situations like this. Is anyone else freaked out about possibilities?

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Uh oh, here come the knee-jerkers......

Sorry, beebs. I'm sure your thread is hijacked now.

Please explain how you think what the situation along the Russia-Ukraine border would be different if the 45th President had remained in office. I have no doubt it would be different, but since you opened the can of worms, I'd like to hear your extrapolation before I respond.

[silverscreenselect]

If Donny were still in office, the Russian Army would already be camped out in Kyiv with Donny sending Putin fanboy messages and the European response (absent American leadership) in total disarray.

The Russians had 4 years under Trump to get to Kyiv, yet they didn't move any troops until Biden took over. They most likely decided to invade once they saw how Biden handled the situation in Afghanistan.

The biggest factor in Putin deciding to ramp up hostilities was the election of Zelensky as President in 2019. He's taken a strong anti-Russian stance since day one and talked of expelling the Russians from the Eastern regions. The previous president was widely seen as corrupt by the end of his term (he's currently under house arrest awaiting trial), and Putin undoubtedly felt that government wouldn't do much to oppose him. Putin's goal was widely thought to be to allow the Ukrainian government to collapse on its own and grease the wheels for a friendlier government like the one in Belarus. Putin's current buildup began after Biden was elected but before the Afghanistan withdrawal.

[Bob Juch]

I am not denigrating Biden and his team. I think we have to support our leaders in serious situations like this. Is anyone else freaked out about possibilities?

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Uh oh, here come the knee-jerkers......

Sorry, beebs. I'm sure your thread is hijacked now.

You are right; TFG would have let his good buddy's troops attack without repercussions.

[Spock]

I am not denigrating Biden and his team. I think we have to support our leaders in serious situations like this. Is anyone else freaked out about possibilities?

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Uh oh, here come the knee-jerkers......

Sorry, beebs. I'm sure your thread is hijacked now.

If Donny were still in office, the Russian Army would already be camped out in Kyiv with Donny sending Putin fanboy messages and the European response (absent American leadership) in total disarray. Donny would have treated our Ukrainian friends with all of the loyalty he showed the Kurds. And the rest of Europe, knowing this, would never have stood with us. --Bob

Remind me again how many regions of the Ukraine that Putin took when Trump was president.

I know he took the Crimea when Obama was Prez and now 2 provinces (or whatever they are) in eastern Ukraine when Biden was President-but I just can't recall any under Trump.

[silverscreenselect]

I know he took the Crimea when Obama was Prez and now 2 provinces (or whatever they are) in eastern Ukraine when Biden was President-but I just can't recall any under Trump.

Trump spent most of his time trying to pressure the Ukraine into investigating Hunter Biden. Trump sold some weapons to Ukraine before having his big hug-and-kiss summit with Putin. After that, he delayed sending additional weapons to Ukraine for several months while the attempts to get Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden were going on. What really triggered the current buildup was a request by Zelensky to Biden to join NATO. Needless to say, neither he nor his predecessor wasted their time checking with Trump.

[Bob Juch]

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Uh oh, here come the knee-jerkers......

Sorry, beebs. I'm sure your thread is hijacked now.

If Donny were still in office, the Russian Army would already be camped out in Kyiv with Donny sending Putin fanboy messages and the European response (absent American leadership) in total disarray. Donny would have treated our Ukrainian friends with all of the loyalty he showed the Kurds. And the rest of Europe, knowing this, would never have stood with us. --Bob

Remind me again how many regions of the Ukraine that Putin took when Trump was president.

I know he took the Crimea when Obama was Prez and now 2 provinces (or whatever they are) in eastern Ukraine when Biden was President-but I just can't recall any under Trump.

No, but he didn't have a problem with Putin.

Mon August 1, 2016
Washington CNN —

Donald Trump said Sunday that Russian President Vladimir Putin won’t make a military move into Ukraine – even though Putin already has done just that, seizing the country’s Crimean Peninsula.

“He’s not going into Ukraine, OK, just so you understand. He’s not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want,” Trump said in an interview on Sunday with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on “This Week.”

“Well, he’s already there, isn’t he?” Stephanopoulos responded, in a reference to Crimea, which Putin took from Ukraine in early 2014.

Trump said: “OK – well, he’s there in a certain way. But I’m not there. You have Obama there. And frankly, that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama with all the strength that you’re talking about and all of the power of NATO and all of this. In the meantime, he’s going away. He takes Crimea.”

Trump attempted to clarify his position on the conflict between Ukraine and Russia in a series of tweets Monday morning, after he was criticized for his muddled response in the interview. He explained that when he said Russia wouldn’t move into Ukraine, he was referring to a time when he is president.

“When I said in an interview that Putin is ‘not going into Ukraine, you can mark it down,’ I am saying if I am President. Already in Crimea!,” Trump wrote.

And he argued that the conflict over Crimea was the fault of the Obama administration, writing: “So with all of the Obama tough talk on Russia and the Ukraine, they have already taken Crimea and continue to push. That’s what I said!”

Trump also pushed back against the criticism during a campaign event Monday in Columbus, Ohio.

“You want to go back? You want to go back and have World War 3? That was on Obama’s watch,” Trump said of the invasion.

Trump also responded to criticism that he has been too complimentary of Russian President Vladimir Putin: “Wouldn’t it be great if we got along with Russia?” he said.

During the ABC interview, Stephanopoulos interjected to note that Trump has suggested he could recognize Russia’s claim on Crimea over Ukraine’s – and Trump didn’t back away from that possibility in the interview.

“I’m going to take a look at it,” he said. “But you know, the people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, also … just so you understand, that was done under Obama’s administration.”

Trump added: “And as far as the Ukraine is concerned, it’s a mess. And that’s under the Obama’s administration with his strong ties to NATO. So with all of these strong ties to NATO, Ukraine is a mess. Crimea has been taken. Don’t blame Donald Trump for that.”

The Clinton campaign responded later Sunday, with senior policy adviser Jake Sullivan saying: “What is he talking about? Russia is already in Ukraine. Does he not know that? What else doesn’t he know?”

“Today, (Trump) gamely repeated Putin’s argument that Russia was justified in seizing the sovereign territory of another country by force. This is scary stuff,” Sullivan said in a statement. “But it shouldn’t surprise us. This comes on the heels of his tacit invitation to the Russians to invade our NATO allies in Eastern Europe.”

Stephanopoulos also pressed Trump on changes to the Republican platform removing calls for the provision of lethal weapons so the people of Ukraine can defend themselves, which Trump said he had nothing to do with.

And he asked about Trump’s claims in recent years that he has a personal relationship with Putin.

“I have no relationship with Putin. I have no relationship with Putin,” Trump said.

“Just so you understand, he said very nice things about me. But I have no relationship with him. I don’t – I’ve never met him,” said Trump.

But in a November 2015 Republican primary debate, Trump had said of Putin: “I got to know him very well because we were both on ’60 Minutes,’ we were stablemates.”

[Bob78164]

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Now we know that Donny would never find a solution. Because he thinks this is a genius move by Putin so he doesn't see a problem.

I'm curious, flock -- do you ever get tired of being proven wrong so thoroughly and so quickly? Remember, you were the one back in early 2020 who was convinced that all of the concern about a potential pandemic was nothing more than sky-is-falling panic. --Bob

[tlynn78]

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Now we know that Donny would never find a solution. Because he thinks this is a genius move by Putin so he doesn't see a problem.

I'm curious, flock -- do you ever get tired of being proven wrong so thoroughly and so quickly? Remember, you were the one back in early 2020 who was convinced that all of the concern about a potential pandemic was nothing more than sky-is-falling panic. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

Someone's got to say it, because it's true. Might as well be me. This would never have happened with Trump in office. But I hope our President's team finds a solution.

Now we know that Donny would never find a solution. Because he thinks this is a genius move by Putin so he doesn't see a problem.

I'm curious, flock -- do you ever get tired of being proven wrong so thoroughly and so quickly? Remember, you were the one back in early 2020 who was convinced that all of the concern about a potential pandemic was nothing more than sky-is-falling panic. --Bob

Bob, you are certainly a moron. You listened to that? Really? Or did you just link to it because of its title?
I guess you are one of those literal people. Yes, bob, it was a clever move by Putin. But he never would have done it with Trump as Commander in Chief. He only did it because of the weak, senile swamp dweller that got into office. I could make a long list of the glorious failures your guy has achieved in a little over a year in office. But you know them. Waste of my time. It is breathtaking how short-circuited your brain is that you think that link you posted proves me wrong somehow. I would love to see you argue a case with your lack of ability to comprehend human language and meaning. YES, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE JURY, HERE'S DONALD TRUMP ADMITTING HE WOULD HAVE LET PUTIN ANNEX PARTS OF UKRAINE!

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[silverscreenselect]

But he never would have done it with Trump as Commander in Chief.

Well, Flock, you make stupid comments, you should expect someone to call you out on it.

He wouldn't have to get to the brink of an invasion because Trump would have let him have whatever he wanted. Destabilized NATO. Check. Never criticize Putin about aggression against Ukraine. Check. Keep insisting that it's a European problem to solve. Check. Try to force a bogus investigation of Hunter Biden. Check.

After that dog-and-pony show in Helsinki, Putin knew that he could get Trump to do what he wanted.

Flock, the next time you make an intelligent comment here, I will compliment you on it. I expect I'll have a pretty long wait.

[Estonut]

Try to force a bogus investigation of Hunter Biden. Check.

Do you really think Hunter Biden has done nothing wrong? Was the information on his laptop(s) debunked outside of your mind?

[tlynn78]

Try to force a bogus investigation of Hunter Biden. Check.

Do you really think Hunter Biden has done nothing wrong? Was the information on his laptop(s) debunked outside of your mind?

He doesn't think, period. He's all twitterpated he's got Flock to poke at, it's just pathetic, really. SSS, he's just not into you. Move on.