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#1 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:08 pm

It looks like Donny mishandled classified material on his way out of the White House. I wonder how many of the people who got their panties in a bunch about Secretary Clinton's e-mail practices will be up in arms about this development. Or will they find some way to rationalize the conclusion that while Secretary Clinton's e-mail practices were disqualifying, Donny's mishandling of classified material is not?

And will the press give this development the same wall-to-wall coverage bestowed upon Secretary Clinton's e-mails? (Spoiler alert: no.) --Bob
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#2 Post by BackInTex » Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:38 pm

This is the first I've seen of this as I haven't been following the news recently but once found out did President Trump destroy, or instruct to destroy all the evidence? Let's compare apples to rotten apples.
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#3 Post by Bob Juch » Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:54 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:08 pm
It looks like Donny mishandled classified material on his way out of the White House. I wonder how many of the people who got their panties in a bunch about Secretary Clinton's e-mail practices will be up in arms about this development. Or will they find some way to rationalize the conclusion that while Secretary Clinton's e-mail practices were disqualifying, Donny's mishandling of classified material is not?

And will the press give this development the same wall-to-wall coverage bestowed upon Secretary Clinton's e-mails? (Spoiler alert: no.) --Bob
He must have mishandled classified material while still in the White House to have it available to take out.

I don't recall any reporting of boxes of papers being taken when TFG moved out of the White House. Were they removed sometime before, or were they clandestinely taken?
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Re: Classified material

#4 Post by Bob Juch » Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:57 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:38 pm
This is the first I've seen of this as I haven't been following the news recently but once found out did President Trump destroy, or instruct to destroy all the evidence? Let's compare apples to rotten apples.
You must have missed the accounts of TFG ripping up papers that were supposed to be preserved. His staff had to tape them up.

There's no evidence that any other White House occupant destroyed any documents.
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Re: Classified material

#5 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:04 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:38 pm
This is the first I've seen of this as I haven't been following the news recently but once found out did President Trump destroy, or instruct to destroy all the evidence? Let's compare apples to rotten apples.
And the rationalizations begin. This one qualifies as moving the goalposts. --Bob
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Re: Classified material

#6 Post by Beebs52 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:52 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:04 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:38 pm
This is the first I've seen of this as I haven't been following the news recently but once found out did President Trump destroy, or instruct to destroy all the evidence? Let's compare apples to rotten apples.
And the rationalizations begin. This one qualifies as moving the goalposts. --Bob
Um, no.
Well, then

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#7 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:30 pm

Yeah, that's what it LOOKS LIKE, doesn't it.

Of course the standards of evidence get kind of moved depending upon what one is talking about.

I think I've wasted my time here. Inflation at a 40 year high, 9000 Americans left stranded in Afghanistan, 2 million+ illegal border crossings since Biden took office, Gas prices through the roof, etc.etc etc. But let's make a big deal about a Trump non story. yeah, that's the ticket.

I'm done here. I tried. Waste of time.

Oh BTW BobJuch. Google Sandy Berger. That is if you don't have anything more important to do.

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#8 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:41 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:30 pm
Bye again.
Looks like my prediction came true. I said Flock would get upset because people called him out on his crap that he couldn't defend except by saying some variation of "Because I said so" and would depart again in a self-righteous snit.
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#9 Post by BackInTex » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:29 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 1:04 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:38 pm
This is the first I've seen of this as I haven't been following the news recently but once found out did President Trump destroy, or instruct to destroy all the evidence? Let's compare apples to rotten apples.
And the rationalizations begin. This one qualifies as moving the goalposts. --Bob
What rationalization? You brought up HRC and the media. Much of what the media (right-wing media anyway) hounded on was her destruction of the servers and phones preventing any investigation of what classified information was stored who whom it might have been given to. I'm not rationalizing anything Trump may have done. Just asking you about any potential aggravating activities.
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#10 Post by Bob Juch » Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:16 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:30 pm
Yeah, that's what it LOOKS LIKE, doesn't it.

Of course the standards of evidence get kind of moved depending upon what one is talking about.

I think I've wasted my time here. Inflation at a 40 year high, 9000 Americans left stranded in Afghanistan, 2 million+ illegal border crossings since Biden took office, Gas prices through the roof, etc.etc etc. But let's make a big deal about a Trump non story. yeah, that's the ticket.

I'm done here. I tried. Waste of time.

Oh BTW BobJuch. Google Sandy Berger. That is if you don't have anything more important to do.

Bye again.
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#11 Post by tlynn78 » Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:36 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:41 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:30 pm
Bye again.
Looks like my prediction came true. I said Flock would get upset because people called him out on his crap that he couldn't defend except by saying some variation of "Because I said so" and would depart again in a self-righteous snit.
Lol! You are delusional.
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#12 Post by Pastor Fireball » Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:23 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:30 pm
Yeah, that's what it LOOKS LIKE, doesn't it.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's not a rhinoceros. It's a duck. That's how God created the world to be. God doesn't give a happy monkey f**k about your feelings that a duck is a rhinoceros.

On a related note, I know exactly what and who my next sermon will be about, so you just made my work a lot easier this weekend. Then again, I've never had a difficult time with sermons because the attitudes of you, BiT, Flock, TMITSSS, Calvinator, Confessor, Beast, Sprots, Fanny, Skoop, Estonut, Vandal, Weasel, jarnon, Melly, peacock, Frank, and Bob#s over the past 12 years has provided a fount of sermon material. (_____ whines, "Hey, how did *I* get dragged into this?! What did *I* do wrong?!" Don't play stupid, _____, you uppity unapologetic persecutor. You know your sins, and your sins can be easily pulled up by that little white box called "Search this forum".)

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#13 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:36 am

Pastor Fireball wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:23 am
Then again, I've never had a difficult time with sermons because the attitudes of you, BiT, Flock, TMITSSS, Calvinator, Confessor, Beast, Sprots, Fanny, Skoop, Estonut, Vandal, Weasel, jarnon, Melly, peacock, Frank, and Bob#s over the past 12 years has provided a fount of sermon material.
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#14 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:44 am

Sources have said there were many top-secret documents in TFG's stash, as well as some "beyond-top-secret". Also, the papers were not taken to Mar-a-Largo upon TFG's exit but bit by bit over the years.
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#15 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:00 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:30 pm
But let's make a big deal about a Trump non story. yeah, that's the ticket.
I would point out that, unlike his three immediate predecessors, Trump is not barred by the Constitution from running again. So bringing this sort of security breach up now is not a matter of sour grapes but letting the public know something vital about a man who might be President again.
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#16 Post by tlynn78 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:29 am

Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:44 am
Sources have said there were many top-secret documents in TFG's stash, as well as some "beyond-top-secret". Also, the papers were not taken to Mar-a-Largo upon TFG's exit but bit by bit over the years.
"sources" lmao!
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#17 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:06 am

tlynn78 wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:29 am
Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:44 am
Sources have said there were many top-secret documents in TFG's stash, as well as some "beyond-top-secret". Also, the papers were not taken to Mar-a-Largo upon TFG's exit but bit by bit over the years.
"sources" lmao!
Do you prefer unsourced rumors?
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#18 Post by BackInTex » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:10 am

So apparently TFG is a reference to Biden's inability to remember things, like names (and former jobs, schools, degrees and rank within class, but I digress). Why would BJ use that as a reference.

And don't say Biden was intentionally trying to disrespect former President Trump. He's had to resort to general references in many many occasions such as "that guy" and "you know the thing".

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#19 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:12 am

BackInTex wrote:
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Appreciate the reminder that you helped put someone mentally incompetent in charge of your country.
No, you put someone mentally incompetent in charge of the country in 2016. We remedied that in 2020.
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#20 Post by bazodee » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:29 am

Very difficult to prosecute a case like this because the President has the unilateral authority to declassify anything he wants. The argument an ex-President would make is that he simply waved his hand over said documents and they instantly became declassified.

I know everyone wants to get their digs in but other than for moral rectitude, not a lot of time ought to be wasted on this particular transgression.

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#21 Post by Appa23 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:31 am

Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:44 am
Sources have said there were many top-secret documents in TFG's stash, as well as some "beyond-top-secret". Also, the papers were not taken to Mar-a-Largo upon TFG's exit but bit by bit over the years.
Oh yes, the national security classification that is so high and so secret that it does not actually exist -- "beyond-top-secret". :lol:

There are three and only three national security classifications available for documents:

(1) "Top Secret" shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.

(2) "Secret" shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security.

(3) "Confidential" shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause damage to the national security.

I can hear you now: "What about Unclassified?" Obviously, there cannot be a classification of a document that is "there is no classification level." Also, there no longer is "For Official Use Only". What we have now is the designation "Controlled Unclassified Information."

Also, contrary to what movies may have told you, "Code Word Clearance" is not a classification or security designation itself. It is used to denote a limited group of people at a security classification level that can access/read the information. You can have a code word for Secret documents or Top Secret. I do not think that it is used much for Confidential.

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#22 Post by Appa23 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:33 am

bazodee wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:29 am
Very difficult to prosecute a case like this because the President has the unilateral authority to declassify anything he wants. The argument an ex-President would make is that he simply waved his hand over said documents and they instantly became declassified.

I know everyone wants to get their digs in but other than for moral rectitude, not a lot of time ought to be wasted on this particular transgression.
It is not as easy as "waiving his hand". Its the federal government. We run on paperwork.

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#23 Post by BackInTex » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:18 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:12 am
BackInTex wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:10 am
Appreciate the reminder that you helped put someone mentally incompetent in charge of your country.
No, you put someone mentally incompetent in charge of the country in 2016. We remedied that in 2020.
Nope. You could make arguments about personality and morality, but mental ability, no. But the fact that you will argue that Biden is more mentally competent diminishes any argument you may have on any other subject because you will argue the moon is made of cheese if that supports your other positions.
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#24 Post by tlynn78 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:44 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:18 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:12 am
BackInTex wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:10 am
Appreciate the reminder that you helped put someone mentally incompetent in charge of your country.
No, you put someone mentally incompetent in charge of the country in 2016. We remedied that in 2020.
Nope. You could make arguments about personality and morality, but mental ability, no. But the fact that you will argue that Biden is more mentally competent diminishes any argument you may have on any other subject because you will argue the moon is made of cheese if that supports your other positions.
Exactly. The silence on Biden's antics from our usual town criers is very telling.
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#25 Post by kroxquo » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:51 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:10 am
So apparently TFG is a reference to Biden's inability to remember things, like names (and former jobs, schools, degrees and rank within class, but I digress). Why would BJ use that as a reference.

And don't say Biden was intentionally trying to disrespect former President Trump. He's had to resort to general references in many many occasions such as "that guy" and "you know the thing".

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