NOLW and NAACLP and others

[flockofseagulls104]

To some people, anyone who doesn't tow the liberal, leftist line will be always be considered racist, sexist or whateverist, no matter what the argument. Groups like the NAACP and the National Organization for Women (NOW), have always shown this hypocrisy for those who have a fair mind. The NAACP'S historical rejection of Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice and any other person of color who doesn't happen to share their world view have earned them the more accurate name of the National Associaition for the Advancement of Liberal Colored People.

To wit, here is the NOW's response to the nomination of Sarah Palin as Vice President. Rather than applauding, they condemn

A press release from the National Organization Of Women:

Not Every Woman Supports Women’s Rights

August 29, 2008

Statement of NOW PAC Chair Kim Gandy on the Selection of Sarah Palin as John McCain’s Vice Presidential Pick

Sen. John McCain’s choice of Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running mate is a cynical effort to appeal to disappointed Hillary Clinton voters and get them to vote, ultimately, against their own self-interest.

Gov. Palin may be the second woman vice-presidential candidate on a major party ticket, but she is not the right woman. Sadly, she is a woman who opposes women’s rights, just like John McCain.

The fact that Palin is a mother of five who has a 4-month-old baby, a woman who is juggling work and family responsibilities, will speak to many women. But will Palin speak FOR women? Based on her record and her stated positions, the answer is clearly No.

In a gubernatorial debate, Palin stated emphatically that her opposition to abortion was so great, so total, that even if her teenage daughter was impregnated by a rapist, she would “choose life” — meaning apparently that she would not permit her daughter to have an abortion.

Palin also had to withdraw her appointment of a top public safety commissioner who had been reprimanded for sexual harassment, although Palin had been warned about his background through letters by the sexual harassment complainant.

What McCain does not understand is that women supported Hillary Clinton not just because she was a woman, but because she was a champion on their issues. They will surely not find Sarah Palin to be an advocate for women.

Sen. Joe Biden is the VP candidate who appeals to women, with his authorship and championing of landmark domestic violence legislation, support for pay equity, and advocacy for women around the world.

Finally, as the chair of NOW’s Political Action Committee, I am frequently asked whether NOW supports women candidates just because they are women. This gives me an opportunity to once again answer that question with an emphatic ‘No.’ We recognize the importance of having women’s rights supporters at every level but, like Sarah Palin, not every woman supports women’s rights.

If you want to talk about hypocrisy....

[TheConfessor]

If you want to talk about hypocrisy....

Did someone want to talk about hypocrisy? I must be on the wrong board. I came here to talk about game shows.

[takinover]

You are a white man? And you didn't support Bill Clinton? Didn't support Al Gore? You are a hypocrite.

[Bob78164]

To some people, anyone who doesn't tow the liberal, leftist line will be always be considered racist, sexist or whateverist, no matter what the argument. Groups like the NAACP and the National Organization for Women (NOW), have always shown this hypocrisy for those who have a fair mind. The NAACP'S historical rejection of Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice and any other person of color who doesn't happen to share their world view have earned them the more accurate name of the National Associaition for the Advancement of Liberal Colored People.

To wit, here is the NOW's response to the nomination of Sarah Palin as Vice President. Rather than applauding, they condemn

Let me get this straight. Are you suggesting that NOW should support Sarah Palin simply because she's a woman? And that the NAACP should have supported the nomination of Clarence Thomas simply because he's African American? --Bob

[christie1111]

You are a white man? And you didn't support Bill Clinton? Didn't support Al Gore? You are a hypocrite.

What? You must be kidding!

Oh sorry, going back to the Lounge............

[Bob78164]

You are a white man? And you didn't support Bill Clinton? Didn't support Al Gore? You are a hypocrite.

But Clinton's and Gore's opponents also were white men. So how does choosing one white man over another make flock a hypocrite on this issue? --Bob

[Beebs52]

This whole thread is of the weirdness that a previous thread was. It has no end nor point.

[takinover]

But Clinton's and Gore's opponents also were white men. So how does choosing one white man over another make flock a hypocrite on this issue? --Bob

I wasn't referring to the races only, I was speaking about general support on positions.

[ulysses5019]

If you want to talk about hypocrisy....

Did someone want to talk about hypocrisy? I must be on the wrong board. I came here to talk about game shows.

Man:
I came here for a good argument!
Other Man:
AH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!

Man:
An argument isn't just contradiction.
Other Man:
Well! it CAN be!

Man:
No it can't!

Man:
An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
Other Man:
No it isn't!

Man:
Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction.
Other Man:
Look, if I "argue" with you, I must take up a contrary position!

Man:
Yes but it isn't just saying 'no it isn't'.
Other Man:
Yes it is!

Man:
No it isn't!
Other Man:
Yes it is!

Man:
No it isn't!
Other Man:
Yes it is!

Man:
No it ISN'T! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
Other Man:
It is NOT!

Man:
It is!
Other Man:
Not at all!

Man:
It is!

[takinover]

This whole thread is of the weirdness that a previous thread was. It has no end nor point.

Truth be told, this whole Bored is feeling that way. I am thinking that my time here should come to an end.

[Ritterskoop]

This whole thread is of the weirdness that a previous thread was. It has no end nor point.

Truth be told, this whole Bored is feeling that way. I am thinking that my time here should come to an end.

If you do leave, which I would not blame anyone right now, remember to check back after the election. The inappropriate weirdness will be done by then.

The good kind of weird will still be here.

[Beebs52]

This whole thread is of the weirdness that a previous thread was. It has no end nor point.

Truth be told, this whole Bored is feeling that way. I am thinking that my time here should come to an end.

Takinover, don't go. It's just the collossal oddness that happens when elections happen. Be happy that no one has offered to beat anybody up. Or called anyone a *** or a *** or a ***.

You know?

[silvercamaro]

I hope you won't go, takinover. But if you do, please peek in from time to time and come back when it looks safe.

We need you. Yep. We do.

[mellytu74]

Seconding or thirding Beebs and SC.

Please don't go, TKO.

[flockofseagulls104]

You are a white man? And you didn't support Bill Clinton? Didn't support Al Gore? You are a hypocrite.

I do not represent any National Organization of White Men. I am a conservative and I support candidates with conservative positions, whatever their party, gender, race or religion. The NOW people claim that they represent and support the rights of all women, but they in reality only support and represent those women that support their liberal platforms. If you see the world in a different way than they do, you are condemned, female or not. The same is true of many liberal front groups like the NAACP. That is the hypocrisy.

[Beebs52]

You are a white man? And you didn't support Bill Clinton? Didn't support Al Gore? You are a hypocrite.

I do not represent any National Organization of White Men. I am a conservative and I support candidates with conservative positions, whatever their party, gender, race or religion. The NOW people claim that they represent and support the rights of all women, but they in reality only support and represent those women that support their liberal platforms. If you see the world in a different way than they do, you are condemned, female or not. The same is true of many liberal front groups like the NAACP. That is the hypocrisy.

Yes. You're right. I support people who may support supposed traditional "conservative" positions and also support those who propound what might not be considered "conservative" positions.

Groups like NOW do not uphold what their name says. That group is one that exists to, well, exist, or for what they think women exist for. They also have a stupid name, as if one group could encompass what ALL women would believe, just like what all LEFT HANDED people believe or all ANY people believe. NOW started in the '70's or whenever. They're an anachronism just like many other groups.

If one would check the population of women to men in this country I would wager that NOW picks up, oh, .0001 percent.

[Bob78164]

I do not represent any National Organization of White Men. I am a conservative and I support candidates with conservative positions, whatever their party, gender, race or religion. The NOW people claim that they represent and support the rights of all women, but they in reality only support and represent those women that support their liberal platforms. If you see the world in a different way than they do, you are condemned, female or not. The same is true of many liberal front groups like the NAACP. That is the hypocrisy.

Ah, I see. So when can I expect the Christian Coalition to come out in support of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? --Bob

[danielh41]

In a gubernatorial debate, Palin stated emphatically that her opposition to abortion was so great, so total, that even if her teenage daughter was impregnated by a rapist, she would “choose life” — meaning apparently that she would not permit her daughter to have an abortion.

This makes me admire Palin even more. The right to life movement isn't about making women accountable for their sexual behavior; it is about protecting the human rights of the unborn child without regard to how that child was conceived. The prohibition of abortion except in cases of rape never stood up to a logical argument because of this. The only exception that should logically be made would be when the life of the mother is threatened. Only then should abortion be considered because after all, if the mother dies, the unborn child would die too (without extreme medical intervention).

[NellyLunatic1980]

I am thinking that my time here should come to an end.

I too am strongly against that thought.

[earendel]

You are a white man? And you didn't support Bill Clinton? Didn't support Al Gore? You are a hypocrite.

I do not represent any National Organization of White Men. I am a conservative and I support candidates with conservative positions, whatever their party, gender, race or religion. The NOW people claim that they represent and support the rights of all women, but they in reality only support and represent those women that support their liberal platforms. If you see the world in a different way than they do, you are condemned, female or not. The same is true of many liberal front groups like the NAACP. That is the hypocrisy.

You are obviously missing the point. NOW supports the rights of all women, even Sarah Palin. They disagree with her positions on issues, and so they do not support her as a candidate. But if she were to claim that her rights were being violated (say if she were receiving less pay as governor than her male predecessor did), then NOW would be in her corner on that issue.

[ToLiveIsToFly]

I do not represent any National Organization of White Men. I am a conservative and I support candidates with conservative positions, whatever their party, gender, race or religion. The NOW people claim that they represent and support the rights of all women, but they in reality only support and represent those women that support their liberal platforms. If you see the world in a different way than they do, you are condemned, female or not. The same is true of many liberal front groups like the NAACP. That is the hypocrisy.

Ah, I see. So when can I expect the Christian Coalition to come out in support of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? --Bob

I was wondering why Focus on the Family wasn't supporting the non-divorced candidate.

[ne1410s]

fos:

Groups like the NAACP and the National Organization for Women (NOW), have always shown this hypocrisy for those who have a fair mind.

Ima gonna take a wild guess that you actually think you belong in this demographic.