CNN & NY Times report Palin VP choice

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mellytu74 · #26 Post by **mellytu74** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:47 am

Jeemie wrote:
mellytu74 wrote:No, I'm serious here.

This isn't some juvenile T&A wet tee shirt contest we're talking.

I have to go through the other threads. Perhaps it's been answered by one of our conservative friends. But I would like to know.

McCain wanted to shore up credentials with the conservative base, right?

A conservative woman, a fine tactic. Outsider - fine idea.

But, she's a reform governor who could not deliver the reform candidate for Senate running against Ted Stevens - the man with the bridge to nowhere.

Does that undercut her message of her ability to reform?

She's under investigation for not making good judgements under fire.

Can John McCain make the case that she'd be ready to step in to the role of President?

This morning, Kay Bailey Hutchinson admitted she didn't know much about her, except "youth."

McCain needs to introduce her to the Republican party, much less the country.

Can he do that in a low-key convention that will be overshadowed by Hurricane Gustav?

Was this a choice to pander to disaffected Hillary voters? On gender alone, maybe. On issues? Not so sure.
These are all very good quetions.

I don't know the answers to them.

And last I herard, though, I thought the investigation was winding down, and nothing was going to happen to her.

Not being able to get Stevens unseated might hurt, although many times, it isn't whether you succeed, but that you tried that counts in politics.

Thank you, jeemie.

TheCalvinator24 · #27 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:50 am

The nation (or that small percentage who will actually watch) will be fully introduced to governor Palin next week at the Republican National Convention.

I like the pick.

In fact, I think it might be the best pick Senator McCain could have made.

Appa23 · #28 Post by **Appa23** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:01 am

TheCalvinator24 wrote:The nation (or that small percentage who will actually watch) will be fully introduced to governor Palin next week at the Republican National Convention.

I like the pick.

In fact, I think it might be the best pick Senator McCain could have made.

I love this politics stuff.

Like Cal, stepping back, I can see where the choice of Palin could really be a brilliant choice, as Palin could hit and serve as a constant reminder on some key themes.

"Big risk, big reward" seems to be McCain's thinking.

Bob Juch · #29 Post by **Bob Juch** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:08 am

TheCalvinator24 wrote:The nation (or that small percentage who will actually watch) will be fully introduced to governor Palin next week at the Republican National Convention.

I like the pick.

In fact, I think it might be the best pick Senator McCain could have made.

So do I! She all but guarantees an Obama win.

TheCalvinator24 · #30 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:13 am

Bob Juch wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:The nation (or that small percentage who will actually watch) will be fully introduced to governor Palin next week at the Republican National Convention.

I like the pick.

In fact, I think it might be the best pick Senator McCain could have made.
So do I! She all but guarantees an Obama win.

I think way too many people over-estimate the value of VP Nominees.

Bob Juch · #31 Post by **Bob Juch** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:19 am

TheCalvinator24 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:The nation (or that small percentage who will actually watch) will be fully introduced to governor Palin next week at the Republican National Convention.

I like the pick.

In fact, I think it might be the best pick Senator McCain could have made.
So do I! She all but guarantees an Obama win.
I think way too many people over-estimate the value of VP Nominees.

So do I, but McCain is going to be judged and convicted for picking her.

TheCalvinator24 · #32 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:28 am

Bob Juch wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote: So do I! She all but guarantees an Obama win.
I think way too many people over-estimate the value of VP Nominees.
So do I, but McCain is going to be judged and convicted for picking her.

By whom?

#33 Post by **eyégor** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:29 am

TheCalvinator24 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:The nation (or that small percentage who will actually watch) will be fully introduced to governor Palin next week at the Republican National Convention.

I like the pick.

In fact, I think it might be the best pick Senator McCain could have made.
So do I! She all but guarantees an Obama win.
I think way too many people over-estimate the value of VP Nominees.

I agree with Cal on both counts. Bob, not so much. Certainly a possible big risk/ big reward choice, if a VP candidate ever brings big rewards. But she is an overall plus to the GOP ticket, even if she follows Biden's lead and produces no 'bounce'.

#34 Post by **eyégor** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:29 am

TheCalvinator24 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote: I think way too many people over-estimate the value of VP Nominees.
So do I, but McCain is going to be judged and convicted for picking her.
By whom?

And why?

gsabc · #35 Post by **gsabc** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:41 am

mellytu74 wrote:She's under investigation for not making good judgements under fire.

Can John McCain make the case that she'd be ready to step in to the role of President?

This was pretty much the excuse the Mass. GOP used to run Jane Swift out of town and run Mitt for governor in her place. Swift's infraction was getting a state helicopter ride to get to her home at the other end of the state in order to take care of a sick child and husband. "Poor judgement" was among the issues brought up, along with the sexist undertones.

If experience is really an issue, then there should be a lot of prayers that McCain survive for his full term if he is elected as President.

TheCalvinator24 · #36 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:50 am

mellytu74 wrote:Can John McCain make the case that she'd be ready to step in to the role of President?

Yes. She already has more Executive Experience than the Democratic nominees combined. She is every bit as qualified for President as Obama, probably even more so.

NellyLunatic1980 · #37 Post by **NellyLunatic1980** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:53 am

Appa23 wrote:"Big risk, big reward" seems to be McCain's thinking.

And this is coming from a campaign that calls Obama "risky". OK...

McCain has forgotten one thing: Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton.

TheCalvinator24 · #38 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:56 am

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:
Appa23 wrote:"Big risk, big reward" seems to be McCain's thinking.
And this is coming from a campaign that calls Obama "risky". OK...

McCain has forgotten one thing: Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton.

And all God's people said, AMEN!

And Hallelujah!

Tocqueville3 · #39 Post by **Tocqueville3** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:57 am

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:
Appa23 wrote:"Big risk, big reward" seems to be McCain's thinking.
And this is coming from a campaign that calls Obama "risky". OK...

McCain has forgotten one thing: Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton.

Again, thank the dear, sweet Lord in heaven above for that!

TheCalvinator24 · #40 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:06 am

Tocqueville3 wrote:
NellyLunatic1980 wrote:
Appa23 wrote:"Big risk, big reward" seems to be McCain's thinking.
And this is coming from a campaign that calls Obama "risky". OK...

McCain has forgotten one thing: Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton.

Again, thank the dear, sweet Lord in heaven above for that!

Sometimes, I think tocque is my female counterpart.

Admiral Stockdale · #41 Post by **Admiral Stockdale** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:14 am

TheCalvinator24 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:The nation (or that small percentage who will actually watch) will be fully introduced to governor Palin next week at the Republican National Convention.

I like the pick.

In fact, I think it might be the best pick Senator McCain could have made.
So do I! She all but guarantees an Obama win.
I think way too many people over-estimate the value of VP Nominees.

Hey!

At least everyone still remembers me 16 years later. Nobody remembers the numbnuts Ross trotted out in '96....

#42 Post by **Bob78164** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:16 pm

TheCalvinator24 wrote:In fact, I think it might be the best pick Senator McCain could have made.

The fact that you can say this with a straight face is a sad commentary on the political talent available to the Republican Party.

The two-year governor of Alaska, who never before had held any office higher than mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, is the best person the Republicans can find to be one heartbeat (or melanoma) away from being commander-in-chief? What does that say about the other possibilities? --Bob

themanintheseersuckersuit · #43 Post by **themanintheseersuckersuit** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:18 pm

The two-year governor of Alaska, who never before had held any office higher than mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, is the best person the Republicans can find to be one heartbeat (or melanoma) away from being commander-in-chief? What does that say about the other possibilities? --Bob

Did you read this before to posted it?

TheCalvinator24 · #44 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:20 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:In fact, I think it might be the best pick Senator McCain could have made.
The fact that you can say this with a straight face is a sad commentary on the political talent available to the Republican Party.

The two-year governor of Alaska, who never before had held any office higher than mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, is the best person the Republicans can find to be one heartbeat (or melanoma) away from being commander-in-chief? What does that say about the other possibilities? --Bob

Barack Obama

Jeemie · #45 Post by **Jeemie** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:26 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:In fact, I think it might be the best pick Senator McCain could have made.
The fact that you can say this with a straight face is a sad commentary on the political talent available to the Republican Party.

The two-year governor of Alaska, who never before had held any office higher than mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, is the best person the Republicans can find to be one heartbeat (or melanoma) away from being commander-in-chief? What does that say about the other possibilities? --Bob

The GOP's inexperienced person would be "a heartbeat away from the Presidency".

The Dems' inexperienced person would BE President.

What's riskier?

TheConfessor · #46 Post by **TheConfessor** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:41 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
The two-year governor of Alaska, who never before had held any office higher than mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, is the best person the Republicans can find to be one heartbeat (or melanoma) away from being commander-in-chief? What does that say about the other possibilities? --Bob
Did you read this before to posted it?

Now that's funny. And good advice.

#47 Post by **eyégor** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:26 pm

Well, she does have 2 more elected offices under her belt than Eisenhower had.

Attacking her for not developing a foreign policy while mayor of a small city could be dangerous turf for Obama.

If you don't think this is a good choice for the GOP, I just think you are not looking at it objectively.

gsabc · #48 Post by **gsabc** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:45 pm

eyégor wrote: If you don't think this is a good choice for the GOP, I just think you are not looking at it objectively.

It's a choice, anyway. I don't know enough about her to tell if it's good or bad. I'm not so sure that being governor in a state with so much business tax revenue that they give it out to individuals, compared to other states where it's much harder to balance the budget, is apt experience regarding economic issues. I'll give her the executive experience of running a state government in general.

As with mutual funds, past experience is no guarantee of future performance. We have had great presidents with little to no experience in certain significant areas. We have had cruddy ones with lots of experience. Some former governors have been good. Some former senators have stunk. You just never can tell with any certainty.

elwoodblues · #49 Post by **elwoodblues** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:02 pm

McCain may have felt that if he made a conventional choice he was going to lose anyway, so he might as well make a bold move.

wbtravis007 · #50 Post by **wbtravis007** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:03 pm

eyégor wrote:Well, she does have 2 more elected offices under her belt than Eisenhower had.

Attacking her for not developing a foreign policy while mayor of a small city could be dangerous turf for Obama.

If you don't think this is a good choice for the GOP, I just think you are not looking at it objectively.

I don't know much about her, so I'll reserve judgment. If I had to bet right now, though, just based on what I do know, I'd bet that this is good for the Dems.

Any other takers on my offer to bet on the outcome?