Here Comes the Race Card (Second Verse)

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Re: Here Comes the Race Card (Second Verse)

#26 Post by eyégor » Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:33 pm

Jeemie wrote:
BigDrawMan wrote:that is the worst argument I have ever read about anything.

you like to make up stuff that isnt true and wasnt said, then exaggerate it within an inch of its life, then argue against it .

you could get an innocent man sent to the chair by a sympathetic jury.

do your arguments ever influence anyone (out of diapers that is) about anything ??

you are not good at it

you make jeemie and flock look reasoned and discerning.
Too bad there's no one here that could make you appear to be any less patronizing and condescending.

It is not exaggerating to say that when Obama says "they're going to try and make you scared of me by saying...'he has a funny name'...'he doesn't look like other Presidents on the dollar bill...'" then he's playing the race card.

What else could it be?

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Re: Here Comes the Race Card (Second Verse)

#27 Post by Jeemie » Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:44 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
The public has turned against conservatism as a solution to our current problems, viewing it more as the cause of the problems. That's why Republicans got voted out of office in droves in 2006 and why a generic Democrat leads a generic Republican currently by 10-15 points.
The public has not turned against conservatism. There is no party that is upholding and putting forward conservative values.
So for some strange reason, either conservatives aren't running for office or they aren't getting nominated or elected if they do run. That sure sounds like the public has turned against conservatism at the present time.
The only ones espousing fiscal conservatism (which is all I, personally, care about) also have some nutball ideas, especially on the social spectrum, that make them unelectable.

Or else they support our current foreign policy, which is about as un-conservative as can be (which is where conservatives probably are getting a bad name- guilt by association with as liberal a foreign policy as can be).

Or else they're just plain bad campaigners.

Lots of reasons...but the population is still middle-right, IMHO.
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#28 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:19 pm

Frankly, his record does not give anyone reason to believe he will be picking general progressive or liberal judges.
What, pray tell, is his record?
The only thing I've heard is that when he does vote in the Senate, it is left of even McCain and Kennedy. He gives me reason to believe he'll be nominating activist liberal justices.

You need to refrain from trying to speak for 'everyone'.

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Re: Here Comes the Race Card (Second Verse)

#29 Post by earendel » Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:44 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
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silverscreenselect wrote:I'm by no means a conservative Democrat but I can live with McCain as an Obama alternative. I'd have had to do a lot more soul searching in making a decision if Romney or Thompson were the candidate.
I have just three little words for you, SSS - the Federal judiciary.
And again, you are assuming what type of judges Obama will pick. Frankly, his record does not give anyone reason to believe he will be picking general progressive or liberal judges.
Perhaps the record doesn't indicate the kind of judge Obama might pick, but the record does show the kind of judge McCain woud select. I'm willing to take my chances with Obama's choices.
silverscreenselect wrote:The difference between an Obama and a McCain presidency is that the Democrats will not be able, as a practical matter, to block/filibuster an Obama nomination. They will do so with a McCain one. The Democrats were willing in the 1980's to flex their muscles when Reagan tried to run Bork through, and the eventual result was David Souter.
Unless the Democrats have acquired some guts, I don't anticipate any filibusters thanks to the "compromise" engineered by the "Gang of 14".
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#30 Post by dimmzy » Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:49 am

I would love to reply and I even had a quote that I planned to respond to and fling back like so many cow pies, but gee, the general nature of these political discussions discourages people like me from even taking part.

Or even voting.

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Re: Here Comes the Race Card (Second Verse)

#31 Post by starfish1113 » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:05 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
earendel wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:I'm by no means a conservative Democrat but I can live with McCain as an Obama alternative. I'd have had to do a lot more soul searching in making a decision if Romney or Thompson were the candidate.
I have just three little words for you, SSS - the Federal judiciary.
And again, you are assuming what type of judges Obama will pick. Frankly, his record does not give anyone reason to believe he will be picking general progressive or liberal judges.

The difference between an Obama and a McCain presidency is that the Democrats will not be able, as a practical matter, to block/filibuster an Obama nomination. They will do so with a McCain one. The Democrats were willing in the 1980's to flex their muscles when Reagan tried to run Bork through, and the eventual result was David Souter.
Maybe on some level the eventual result was David Souter, but the immediate result was Anthony Kennedy, who was nominated and approved after the Robert Bork nomination failed.

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