Here's another GroganGame

[KillerTomato]

79. NICOLAS SARKOZY (or however you spell it)

Still no help at all on the Tangredi, sorry.

[silverscreenselect]

Nope, the NBA Player is Alex ENGLISH. That weird little factoid always struck me as especially weird.

80. Known for his consistency during 18 major league seasons, he finished second to Johnny Bench for MVP in each of his two best
BILLY WILLIAMS

81. This former world leader was once described as "the man who ran away from the circus to become an accountant"
JOHN MAJOR

82. My father attended the Lorain, Ohio high school named for this WWII Chief of Naval Operations and Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. fleet
ERNEST JOSEPH KING

83. This 1992 Pulitzer Special Citation for Letters winner got his start working for Topp's Bubblegum Co. designing such products as Wacky Packages and Garbage Pail Kids cards
ART SPIEGELMAN

85. According to a 2007 GQ Magazine survey, she was the subject of “the most influential piece of men’s art of the last 50 years”
FARRAH FAWCETT

86. While in college, this comedian played drums for the Leather Canaries, an early version of Steely Dan
CHEVY CHASE

87. He led the NBA in scoring during the 1980s
Could be Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, or Larry Bird

88. Nicknamed "The Bombardier", this boxer was the winning answer for the most recent millionaire on an English language version of WWTBAM
WILLIAM THOMAS WELLS, who was the gongman in the logo for J. Arthur Rank Films

This is probably staring us right in the face. The common words have to be involved in the answer. Perhaps there is someone whose first name is John who was a famous major (John Andre), or someone whose first name was Ernest who was a king. We have King, Chase, Major, and Wells or perhaps ARt or English as descriptive words. Someone involved in a famous chase (Andrews Raiders)?

I have to say nothing is staring at me here.

[Weyoun]

Perhaps company names? Somehow find a Fargo to go with Wells, a Manhattan to go with Chase, a Sonoma to go with Williams, etc?

[Weyoun]

Edited to give the last answer: Donna HANOVER, once Ms. Rudy, was Jimmy Carter's sister in The People Vs. Larry Flynt.

Answers to the following combine to make two pairs and two triples according to the same Tangredi as in the original game.

79. Nicolas SARKOZY
80. Billy WILLIAMS
81. John MAJOR
82. Ernest KING
83. Art SPIEGELMAN
84. Donna HANOVER
85. Farrah FAWCETT
86. Chevy CHASE
87. Alex ENGLISH
88. William WELLS

Consoli so far.

[silverscreenselect]

The puzzle could work with associated words, but I decided not to include them because I thought that might make it too easy. If it goes on a while longer with no progress, I can supply some words.

I wonder what the Smiler considers "a while longer."

I keep getting the idea that the names themselves, in some fashion, are the associated words, but since most of the matchups in the original game are pairs, not triples, the name can't just be the associated word or the results would be triples, not pairs.

Some thoughts. Antonyms: MAJOR = MINOR, KING = QUEEN. Translations into a foreign language?

Lee MAJORs was associated with Farrah Fawcett, but that seems a coincidence and it doesn't work with any of the other names.

[mrkelley23]

Edited to give the last answer: Donna HANOVER, once Ms. Rudy, was Jimmy Carter's sister in The People Vs. Larry Flynt.

Answers to the following combine to make two pairs and two triples according to the same Tangredi as in the original game.

79. Nicolas SARKOZY
80. Billy WILLIAMS
81. John MAJOR
82. Ernest KING
83. Art SPIEGELMAN
84. Donna HANOVER
85. Farrah FAWCETT
86. Chevy CHASE
87. Alex ENGLISH
88. William WELLS

Consoli so far.

What if Farrah Fawcett's name HAS to include the "Majors," as it was when that poster was done? Then we have Farrah Fawcett-MAJORS, and we have an English and an Art. We have Billy WILLIAMS, and we have a Hanover and a King. Unfortunately, that's where I run out of steam. And when I go back and look at the original puzzle, there don't seem to be enough pluralizations possible to make it the Tangredi.

[smilergrogan]

Frank said he didn't want no stinkin' words.

I can say with great confidence based on recent comments that you will get it without words.

[Weyoun]

The key is Sarkozy. The only other Nicolas I know of is Nicolas Cage. Okay, also Nicolas Malebranche. But if the answer involves:

-finding a way to hyphenate names, or

-pluralizing (or perhaps removing an "s") from a name, then

how does Sarkozy fit in? I don't know many Sarkozys, but perhaps someone named Nicola, as in Tesla or Sacco?

[smilergrogan]

I remain highly confident.

[gsabc]

I remain highly confident.

I think you're alone in that.

[silverscreenselect]

I can say with great confidence based on recent comments that you will get it without words.

I've already said a lot of words to myself about this puzzle, very few of which can be reprinted here.

Somehow, Nicolas Cage has to fit into this; the question is how one can derive his name from some of the other names, especially from words like major, king, and chase.

In big time wrestling matches, they sometimes have a match called the King of the Cage, but I don't think that's what we're looking for here.

[smilergrogan]

I think you're alone in that.

If I wanted to be alone, I would have posted it on the other board.

[mrkelley23]

Edited to give the last answer: Donna HANOVER, once Ms. Rudy, was Jimmy Carter's sister in The People Vs. Larry Flynt.

Answers to the following combine to make two pairs and two triples according to the same Tangredi as in the original game.

79. Nicolas SARKOZY
80. Billy WILLIAMS
81. John MAJOR
82. Ernest KING
83. Art SPIEGELMAN
84. Donna HANOVER
85. Farrah FAWCETT
86. Chevy CHASE
87. Alex ENGLISH
88. William WELLS

Consoli so far.

What if Farrah Fawcett's name HAS to include the "Majors," as it was when that poster was done? Then we have Farrah Fawcett-MAJORS, and we have an English and an Art. We have Billy WILLIAMS, and we have a Hanover and a King. Unfortunately, that's where I run out of steam. And when I go back and look at the original puzzle, there don't seem to be enough pluralizations possible to make it the Tangredi.

Smiler said I was close, and implied it was this post that was the close one. I agree Sarkozy is a tough one, but I'm also seeing his name spelled "Nicholas" by some news services. A couple of other observations: Why do we have a MAJOR (John) and a MAJORS (Farrah Fawcett-); and a WILLIAM (Wells) and a WILLIAMS (Billy)? I know of a Major Major (Catch-22) and obviously Billy Williams is a kind of William Williams.

Anybody see the forest here? I'm still seeing trees, which has got to be frustrating as all get out for Smiler....

[silverscreenselect]

Anybody see the forest here? I'm still seeing trees, which has got to be frustrating as all get out for Smiler....

And they're all in the shape of a big W.

[smilergrogan]

Anybody see the forest here? I'm still seeing trees, which has got to be frustrating as all get out for Smiler....

Smiler is indeed frustrated as all get out. And there are both trees and forests in the puzzle.

[silverscreenselect]

Anybody see the forest here? I'm still seeing trees, which has got to be frustrating as all get out for Smiler....

Smiler is indeed frustrated as all get out. And there are both trees and forests in the puzzle.

Well in the main puzzle, as someone pointed out, there were birch, holly and cherry... which are trees and a Sherwood, which is a forest. However, only about half of the people's names were recognizable words and a few (Idi Amin, J.R.R. Tolkien) don't yield words at all. Of course, you could anagram Amin to get Main which might go with something else but anagramming one name to go with another name that's a word and doing it all without associated words seems extremely complicated and likely to yield multiples.

And I'm still not sure how you play with the name Sarkozy and get anything at all. I also have to believe that the Tangredi has to be something reasonably simple or we would have been given an associated words list...

[NellyLunatic1980]

I'll repeat that I gave up on this Grogan weeks ago. It has given me too many headaches.

[smilergrogan]

Well in the main puzzle, as someone pointed out, there were birch, holly and cherry... which are trees and a Sherwood, which is a forest. However, only about half of the people's names were recognizable words and a few (Idi Amin, J.R.R. Tolkien) don't yield words at all. Of course, you could anagram Amin to get Main which might go with something else but anagramming one name to go with another name that's a word and doing it all without associated words seems extremely complicated and likely to yield multiples.

And I'm still not sure how you play with the name Sarkozy and get anything at all. I also have to believe that the Tangredi has to be something reasonably simple or we would have been given an associated words list...

I still don't want to give too much of a hint, because the Tangredi has been hanging ripe for the taking for some time (to use a tree metaphor), but I will say that it is interesting that you mention Idi Amin at this time (emphasis on both "you" and "Idi Amin").
That was probably too much of a hint anyway.

[franktangredi]

Well in the main puzzle, as someone pointed out, there were birch, holly and cherry... which are trees and a Sherwood, which is a forest. However, only about half of the people's names were recognizable words and a few (Idi Amin, J.R.R. Tolkien) don't yield words at all. Of course, you could anagram Amin to get Main which might go with something else but anagramming one name to go with another name that's a word and doing it all without associated words seems extremely complicated and likely to yield multiples.

And I'm still not sure how you play with the name Sarkozy and get anything at all. I also have to believe that the Tangredi has to be something reasonably simple or we would have been given an associated words list...

Well, I can certainly associate Idi Amin with a Forest (Whitaker).


I still don't want to give too much of a hint, because the Tangredi has been hanging ripe for the taking for some time (to use a tree metaphor), but I will say that it is interesting that you mention Idi Amin at this time (emphasis on both "you" and "Idi Amin").
That was probably too much of a hint anyway.

[silverscreenselect]

Well in the main puzzle, as someone pointed out, there were birch, holly and cherry... which are trees and a Sherwood, which is a forest. However, only about half of the people's names were recognizable words and a few (Idi Amin, J.R.R. Tolkien) don't yield words at all. Of course, you could anagram Amin to get Main which might go with something else but anagramming one name to go with another name that's a word and doing it all without associated words seems extremely complicated and likely to yield multiples.

And I'm still not sure how you play with the name Sarkozy and get anything at all. I also have to believe that the Tangredi has to be something reasonably simple or we would have been given an associated words list...

I still don't want to give too much of a hint, because the Tangredi has been hanging ripe for the taking for some time (to use a tree metaphor), but I will say that it is interesting that you mention Idi Amin at this time (emphasis on both "you" and "Idi Amin").
That was probably too much of a hint anyway.

Does he mean me...SSS or the word "you" or perhaps the letter "u"?

Not very many of these people on either list have been protrayed in films or television per Frank's suggestion. I have a feeling that someone soon will have a Homer Simpson d'oh moment on this and the rest of us will feel exceedingly embarrassed.

[smilergrogan]

Does he mean me...SSS or the word "you" or perhaps the letter "u"?

I meant you, because of your cinematic expertise.

I have a feeling that someone soon will have a Homer Simpson d'oh moment on this and the rest of us will feel exceedingly embarrassed.

I have been having that feeling for about two months now!

[franktangredi]

Does he mean me...SSS or the word "you" or perhaps the letter "u"?

I meant you, because of your cinematic expertise.

I have a feeling that someone soon will have a Homer Simpson d'oh moment on this and the rest of us will feel exceedingly embarrassed.

I have been having that feeling for about two months now!

I thought that was why you meant SSS.

So I think we can accept the ROBERT SHERWOOD/IDI AMIN pairing as a match.

There's also Flora Purim. Purim is a holiday, and Diana Ross played Billie Holiday.

But it can't just be somebody who portrayed a person in a movie. It must just be someone who is closely associated with the person.

Thinking of Purim. Purim is a Holiday. Diana

[KillerTomato]

Two quick thoughts (and I don't know if either will help):

NICOLAS Cage is Francis FORD Coppola's nephew and we also have CHEVY Chase.

Purim was also the holiday in "For Your Consideration" which was directed by Christopher Guest. I'm not even sure why I mention this.

Back to work now.

[silverscreenselect]

Does he mean me...SSS or the word "you" or perhaps the letter "u"?

I meant you, because of your cinematic expertise.

I have a feeling that someone soon will have a Homer Simpson d'oh moment on this and the rest of us will feel exceedingly embarrassed.

I have been having that feeling for about two months now!

I thought that was why you meant SSS.

So I think we can accept the ROBERT SHERWOOD/IDI AMIN pairing as a match.

There's also Flora Purim. Purim is a holiday, and Diana Ross played Billie Holiday.

But it can't just be somebody who portrayed a person in a movie. It must just be someone who is closely associated with the person.

Thinking of Purim. Purim is a Holiday. Diana

Sherwood is a forest, which is associatied with Idi Amin.

Purim is a holiday, which is associated with Diana Ross.

By that logic, King, is a ruler, which could be associated with Sarkozy, the ruler of France (so to speak).

Chase could be a race? or Wells could be holes or shafts. Major could be important, vital, key?.

If this is the tangredi, there's a major amount of work to be done and a lot of false leads to be chased down some dry wells before we solve this one.

[mcd1400de]

Ok, here are the triples from the addendum:

Chevy CHASE & William WELLS = Ernie BANKS (Mr. Cub), who goes with BILLY WILLIAMS

ART Spiegelman and Alex ENGLISH = Lee MAJORS, who goes with FARRAH FAWCETT

Not sure of the two pairs yet.


From the original set, as Frank noted, we have:

Robert SHERWOOD = FOREST Whitaker, associated with IDI AMIN

There is also:
Christopher WREN = Larry BIRD, who goes with KEVIN McHALE