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[Beebs52]

My solution. Get ICE out of every identified sanctuary city and let the jenga blocks fall as they may.

[kroxquo]

I'm good with that.

[flockofseagulls104]

My solution: do away with sanctuary cities completely and forever and prosecute the public officials who do not comply. If they want to secede from the union, let them knock themselves out. Otherwise they need to comply with federal law on immigration or change the frikken law. DO NOT IGNORE IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT.

(That goes for everything else as well. If you ignore or flaunt the law, be prepared to suffer the consequences. If we ever get someone with enough cajones to hold someone accountable for doing so.)

[BackInTex]

Is everyone O.K. with a sanctuary city from paying federal income taxes? Asking for a friend.

Or from the draft, if we ever resort to that again?

Or for radio broadcasting (even if it interferes with other broadcsting)?

Or the clean air act? I know some cities around here that would love to sanctuary themselves from having to follow those federal laws.


Slippery slope folks.

[Weyoun]

Is it the job of the city of Minneapolis to collect federal taxes, or to enlist people in the draft?

Why should it be their responsibility to collect immigrants?

[BackInTex]

Is it the job of the city of Minneapolis to collect federal taxes, or to enlist people in the draft?

Why should it be their responsibility to collect immigrants?

If they have employees, the yes, they collect taxes (and pay part of those taxes).

O.K. What about bank robbery? You rob a bank here in Texas, and flee to Minneapolis and spread some of the money around where folks there think you're a modern day Robin Hood. The police know who you are, what you did, and where you are. O.K. for them to stay silent and do nothing?

[Beebs52]

Is it the job of the city of Minneapolis to collect federal taxes, or to enlist people in the draft?

Why should it be their responsibility to collect immigrants?

It isn't. It's the fed gvt to do so. Are you retarded?
Which is why...leave the sanctuary cities and put your efforts elsewhere. Let a sanctuary city stew in its own juices.

[Weyoun]

Is it the job of the city of Minneapolis to collect federal taxes, or to enlist people in the draft?

Why should it be their responsibility to collect immigrants?

It isn't. It's the fed gvt to do so. Are you retarded?
Which is why...leave the sanctuary cities and put your efforts elsewhere. Let a sanctuary city stew in its own juices.

Is your oxygen off? I was giving a rhetorical response to BiT above.

[Weyoun]

Is it the job of the city of Minneapolis to collect federal taxes, or to enlist people in the draft?

Why should it be their responsibility to collect immigrants?

If they have employees, the yes, they collect taxes (and pay part of those taxes).

O.K. What about bank robbery? You rob a bank here in Texas, and flee to Minneapolis and spread some of the money around where folks there think you're a modern day Robin Hood. The police know who you are, what you did, and where you are. O.K. for them to stay silent and do nothing?

See, one of the issues is that ICE doesn’t really seem to be going after violent or dangerous criminals like bank robbers, which is another good reason local police should focus on what they are paid by local taxpayers to do.

I continue to be confused at folks who supposedly love liberty being completely cool with the Feds just coopting local LEOs whenever they feel like it

[tlynn78]

Is it the job of the city of Minneapolis to collect federal taxes, or to enlist people in the draft?

Why should it be their responsibility to collect immigrants?

If they have employees, the yes, they collect taxes (and pay part of those taxes).

O.K. What about bank robbery? You rob a bank here in Texas, and flee to Minneapolis and spread some of the money around where folks there think you're a modern day Robin Hood. The police know who you are, what you did, and where you are. O.K. for them to stay silent and do nothing?

See, one of the issues is that ICE doesn’t really seem to be going after violent or dangerous criminals like bank robbers, which is another good reason local police should focus on what they are paid by local taxpayers to do.

I continue to be confused at folks who supposedly love liberty being completely cool with the Feds just coopting local LEOs whenever they feel like it

Co-opting isn the same as cooperation.
And, not many bank robbers, but it's an easy Google to see the number of killers, rapists, drug runners and human traffickers they've removed in Trump's first year, if one is actually interested.

[jarnon]

And, not many bank robbers, but it's an easy Google to see the number of killers, rapists, drug runners and human traffickers they've removed in Trump's first year, if one is actually interested.

You got me interested, and yes, the numbers are in the thousands.

5% of People Detained By ICE Have Violent Convictions, 73% No Convictions

If ICE concentrated on those, instead of spreading a dragnet on immigrant neighbourhoods, they’d get much more cooperation from local cops and fewer protests.

[tlynn78]

And, not many bank robbers, but it's an easy Google to see the number of killers, rapists, drug runners and human traffickers they've removed in Trump's first year, if one is actually interested.

You got me interested, and yes, the numbers are in the thousands.

5% of People Detained By ICE Have Violent Convictions, 73% No Convictions

If ICE concentrated on those, instead of spreading a dragnet on immigrant neighbourhoods, they’d get much more cooperation from local cops and fewer protests.

Or, now stay with me, if the locals cooperated and handed over the criminals instead of turning them loose, there'd be less need to go into immigrant neighborhoods to find them!

[flockofseagulls104]

Is it the job of the city of Minneapolis to collect federal taxes, or to enlist people in the draft?

Why should it be their responsibility to collect immigrants?

It isn't. It's the fed gvt to do so. Are you retarded?
Which is why...leave the sanctuary cities and put your efforts elsewhere. Let a sanctuary city stew in its own juices.

Is your oxygen off? I was giving a rhetorical response to BiT above.

Really? Both of you must be gasping for oxygen.

BiT was saying why should 'sanctuary' just be given to illegal aliens? Why not have sanctuary cities for people who don't want to pay taxes? Sanctuary for draft dodgers, Sanctuary for bank robbers. Sanctuary for anything the left doesn't want to comply with the law for? You want to go along with that?

C'mon people.

[Weyoun]

It isn't. It's the fed gvt to do so. Are you retarded?
Which is why...leave the sanctuary cities and put your efforts elsewhere. Let a sanctuary city stew in its own juices.

Is your oxygen off? I was giving a rhetorical response to BiT above.

Really? Both of you must be gasping for oxygen.

BiT was saying why should 'sanctuary' just be given to illegal aliens? Why not have sanctuary cities for people who don't want to pay taxes? Sanctuary for draft dodgers, Sanctuary for bank robbers. Sanctuary for anything the left doesn't want to comply with the law for? You want to go along with that?

C'mon people.

Again, it’s not the state or city responsibility to enforce federal immigration law. If Colorado Springs decided to become a libertarian utopia and told everyone that they didn’t have to pay federal taxes, it’s still up to the IRS to come to arrest those people.

Another aspect is that there is a moral dimension to this that you continue to miss. Some people oppose this because hard-working, law abiding people are being picked up. So when you make all these comparisons you also ignore the moral revulsion people have toward this policy - nevermind it being counterproductive.

Why don’t you read some of these studies from the Cato Institute? Our government is taking away net contributors to our society to placate losers like yourself and racist bunker creeps like blackhole.

[tlynn78]

Is your oxygen off? I was giving a rhetorical response to BiT above.

Really? Both of you must be gasping for oxygen.

BiT was saying why should 'sanctuary' just be given to illegal aliens? Why not have sanctuary cities for people who don't want to pay taxes? Sanctuary for draft dodgers, Sanctuary for bank robbers. Sanctuary for anything the left doesn't want to comply with the law for? You want to go along with that?

C'mon people.

Again, it’s not the state or city responsibility to enforce federal immigration law. If Colorado Springs decided to become a libertarian utopia and told everyone that they didn’t have to pay federal taxes, it’s still up to the IRS to come to arrest those people.

Another aspect is that there is a moral dimension to this that you continue to miss. Some people oppose this because hard-working, law abiding people are being picked up. So when you make all these comparisons you also ignore the moral revulsion people have toward this policy - nevermind it being counterproductive.

Why don’t you read some of these studies from the Cato Institute? Our government is taking away net contributors to our society to placate losers like yourself and racist bunker creeps like blackhole.

Ooh, alllmost there.. it would be up to the IRS to arrest tax dodgers. They've done it for years with cooperation from local law enforcement. The FBI has conducted investigations and made arrests for years, with cooperation from local law enforcement. Annnd..typing slowly here, it's up to ICE to arrest those violating immigration laws. It's been done for years, with cooperation of local law enforcement. Right up until the Left began exploiting illegal immigration and realized how easy it is to manipulate weak-minded fools

[Weyoun]

Really? Both of you must be gasping for oxygen.

BiT was saying why should 'sanctuary' just be given to illegal aliens? Why not have sanctuary cities for people who don't want to pay taxes? Sanctuary for draft dodgers, Sanctuary for bank robbers. Sanctuary for anything the left doesn't want to comply with the law for? You want to go along with that?

C'mon people.

Again, it’s not the state or city responsibility to enforce federal immigration law. If Colorado Springs decided to become a libertarian utopia and told everyone that they didn’t have to pay federal taxes, it’s still up to the IRS to come to arrest those people.

Another aspect is that there is a moral dimension to this that you continue to miss. Some people oppose this because hard-working, law abiding people are being picked up. So when you make all these comparisons you also ignore the moral revulsion people have toward this policy - nevermind it being counterproductive.

Why don’t you read some of these studies from the Cato Institute? Our government is taking away net contributors to our society to placate losers like yourself and racist bunker creeps like blackhole.

Ooh, alllmost there.. it would be up to the IRS to arrest tax dodgers. They've done it for years with cooperation from local law enforcement. The FBI has conducted investigations and made arrests for years, with cooperation from local law enforcement. Annnd..typing slowly here, it's up to ICE to arrest those violating immigration laws. It's been done for years, with cooperation of local law enforcement. Right up until the Left began exploiting illegal immigration and realized how easy it is to manipulate weak-minded fools

Lots of “no shit!” there - I would complain, but the fact that you got something more or less correct for once really is actually quite laudatory.

But - typing this slowly - local and state governments are under zero obligation to do the work of the federal government.