On Dick Cheney...

[flockofseagulls104]

After further review of 20 or so years.... I will admit that I am probably wrong on the viewpoint I had about the Iraq War. I know that I don't know what I don't know, but based on hindsight, history seems to show there were no WMDs, or else they remain well hidden.

I was convinced, like so many others, of the existence of weapons of mass destruction. This WMD story was pushed forward by people like Cheney, Colin Powell, and Bush and was the predicate for invading Iraq. Subsequent history is evidence that it probably was not true, and I will submit I was probably wrong in that, as was the Bush administration. That is no consolation to the thousands of people on both sides who gave their lives or health to this war.

However, I always am cognisant that when there are 2 opposing sides to a political issue, One side MUST be lying, but it is probable that BOTH sides are. This, I believe, is one of those cases. The left had their chant, as always. It was 'Blood for Oil'. Well, looking at it with hindsight, we didn't take their oil. I'm still not sure what we did it for. Revenge against Saddam for Bush's daddy? Regime change for the 'better'? Nation Building? Take your pick, but we didn't do it for the oil.

So, you're gonna puke, SSS, but once again Trump was right. Not the Bush admin, and not the Democrat left. Just Trump. He opposed the Iraq war at the time, and I believe he advocated that if we were going to do it, we should take over the oil fields as compensation.

[Weyoun]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/29/politics ... q-invasion

[flockofseagulls104]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/29/politics ... q-invasion

Read the frikkin article.
It basically confirms everything I said about trump and Iraq, with CNN's usual bullshit with fucking with semantics and context.

FAKE NEWS. Which is why CNN is probably not long for this world.

[Weyoun]

Not at all. It sounds pretty mealymouthed, which notoriously Trump is. All it takes is his moron supporters to fill in the gaps with wishful thinking and you get ridiculous thoughts like he opposed the Iraq war from the start. He didn’t say that, so it did not happen.

I have my own feelings about the war and I think on the whole, it was really a tragic blunder by the United States. I think I might’ve even said that much years ago here.

[kroxquo]

However, I always am cognisant that when there are 2 opposing sides to a political issue, One side MUST be lying, but it is probable that BOTH sides are.

Opposition to an issue doesn't necessarily mean untruth (although it doesn't preclude it either). I favor universal, single-payer health care. You (I presume) do not. Is one of us lying when we state our positions and give the reasons why we feel that way? I'm willing to listen to your reasoning and your conclusions and I may disagree with them, but it does not mean that I believe you are lying.

In the case of the Iraq War, hindsight is 20/20. We know now that there were no WMD's. We also know that much of the intelligence used to reach the conclusion that there were was (to be generous) faulty. But at that moment in time, with reputable, respected figures like Colin Powell advocating it, there was credibility to the argument. Was the country lied to or were there mistakes in the interpretation of the information at hand? History will be the judge of that.