Charlie Kirk has been shot

[kroxquo]

Take a minute sub-topic and dispute it. He annoys everyone else.

Your entire point in that post was that ratings would probably improve once Kimmel was gone, and you pointed to that chart as "proof," (suggesting that Kimmel's ratings had declined because he annoyed everyone.)

No, SSS my main point was that Kimmel and Colbert were completely left-wing-biased and doing the bidding of the democrat party. They were using the PUBLIC airwaves to propagandize on the behalf of one political party. It has been shown that Colbert never had ANY guest who could be looked upon as a conservative or a republican during his entire run. They are NOT serving the public good. And that you know that and are feigning willful ignorance. That was the main point, and it's the truth, whether you like it or not. His ratings are just a sub point.

At the risk of being accused of whataboutism, if you substitute in the words right and republican can't the exact same thing be said about Fox and Friends, for example? Which is even worse since, unlike Colbert or Kimmel, they purport to be "news" and not "entertainment."

[jarnon]

Your entire point in that post was that ratings would probably improve once Kimmel was gone, and you pointed to that chart as "proof," (suggesting that Kimmel's ratings had declined because he annoyed everyone.)

No, SSS my main point was that Kimmel and Colbert were completely left-wing-biased and doing the bidding of the democrat party. They were using the PUBLIC airwaves to propagandize on the behalf of one political party. It has been shown that Colbert never had ANY guest who could be looked upon as a conservative or a republican during his entire run. They are NOT serving the public good. And that you know that and are feigning willful ignorance. That was the main point, and it's the truth, whether you like it or not. His ratings are just a sub point.

At the risk of being accused of whataboutism, if you substitute in the words right and republican can't the exact same thing be said about Fox and Friends, for example? Which is even worse since, unlike Colbert or Kimmel, they purport to be "news" and not "entertainment."

I think Fox & Friends is a cable TV show.

(Interestingly, both Fox and Comcast have broken up their media empires. Soon MSNBC will not be associated with the NBC TV stations.)

[Spock]

As Erica Kirk said: "You have no idea what you have unleashed."

Yes, the right is realizing that, with the blessing, encouragement, and assistance of Donald Trump and the FCC, they can use any real or perceived slight to take critics off the air and go after left-wingers in general.

It's amazing how many of these "supporters" of Charlie Kirk didn't care one bit about him when he was alive.

How would you possibly have the slightest clue? Seriously, even the slightest?

Don't you know-TGirl-that is the kind of fact and logic based argument from SSS that gets Doc all warm and fuzzy.

[flockofseagulls104]

It has been shown that Colbert never had ANY guest who could be looked upon as a conservative or a republican during his entire run.

9/8/15 (premiere): Jeb Bush
9/9/15: Elon Musk
9/21/15: Ted Cruz
9/22/15: Donald Trump
10/5/15: John McCain
11/6/15: John Kasich
1/6/16 Rand Paul
1/25/16: Donald Rumsfeld
2/8/16: Bill O’Reilly
2/17/16: John Kasich
5/2/16: Bill O’Reilly
6/13/16: Bill O’Reilly

If Flock was as thorough as he usually is, he would have checked this assertion. (It is true that the number of conservatives on the Late Show has decreased over time.)

Seems this list stops when Trump gets elected. I reported what I heard from a source that I thought I could trust. Oh well. I might be wrong. I don't have the time or data to verify for myself.

[Beebs52]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/entertainme ... 055690.php

Require him to apologize and donate?

That's bullshit I don't care who yar. Of course a private company can do whatever, but it's not a good look for how you define your content. Political, comedy, whatever?
I am gobsmacked.

[flockofseagulls104]

So many lies about Charlie Kirk.

Here's AOC with just one of them. This is the person some of you want to be President. I saw this a couple of days ago in two seperate posts, but this guy went ahead and edited them together to show what a frickin liar AOC is in particular, and the left is in general. We cannot have unity with them UNTIL THEY ADMIT TO THEIR LIES AND APOLOGIZE SINCERELY. Better than burning down cities, doncha think? It ain't bullshit. THis is NOT a difference of opinion. AOC is stupid, but not this stupid. She, and most of the left, is deliberately lying to you, because if they told you the truth, you would run away from them. For God's sake, start recognizing that. Sorry, beebs, but it cannot be ignored anymore.

[Beebs52]

So many lies about Charlie Kirk.

Here's AOC with just one of them. This is the person some of you want to be President. I saw this a couple of days ago in two seperate posts, but this guy went ahead and edited them together to show what a frickin liar AOC is in particular, and the left is in general. We cannot have unity with them UNTIL THEY ADMIT TO THEIR LIES AND APOLOGIZE SINCERELY. Better than burning down cities, doncha think? It ain't bullshit. THis is NOT a difference of opinion. AOC is stupid, but not this stupid. She, and most of the left, is deliberately lying to you, because if they told you the truth, you would run away from them. For God's sake, start recognizing that. Sorry, beebs, but it cannot be ignored anymore.

Flock, we agree on most points. Here's what I said earlier.

"Cancel culture seems to seesaw back and forth. Everybody goes overboard on the ruling side. Don't know if Kimmel was an economic decision or not, but I agree with certain peeps here on both sides.
I know I'll take my temp, too."

[flockofseagulls104]

Erika Kirk is a beautiful woman, both inside and out.

They have no idea what they have unleashed. They will soon find out.

[Spock]

Erika Kirk is a beautiful woman, both inside and out.

They have no idea what they have unleashed. They will soon find out.

As Mrs Spock said-Charlie is known for "getting" the young men, now it is Erika's turn to "get" the young women.

By "get"-I mean to be thinking more of marriage and family and such.

[silverscreenselect]

Disney has announced that Jimmy Kimmel will be back on the air tomorrow, September 23. According to their statement:

Last Wednesday, we made the decision to suspend production on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country. It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive. We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday.

Kimmel had earlier issued his own statement on social media:

Instead of the angry finger-pointing, can we just for one day agree that it is horrible and monstrous to shoot another human? On behalf of my family, we send love to the Kirks and to all the children, parents and innocents who fall victim to senseless gun violence.

https://people.com/jimmy-kimmel-live-re ... n=15038359

[flockofseagulls104]

Disney has announced that Jimmy Kimmel will be back on the air tomorrow, September 23. According to their statement:

Last Wednesday, we made the decision to suspend production on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country. It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive. We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday.

Kimmel had earlier issued his own statement on social media:

Instead of the angry finger-pointing, can we just for one day agree that it is horrible and monstrous to shoot another human? On behalf of my family, we send love to the Kirks and to all the children, parents and innocents who fall victim to senseless gun violence.

https://people.com/jimmy-kimmel-live-re ... n=15038359

Crap. What a hassle. I will have to go through the trouble of not watching him again.

[Bob78164]

"But I will say he directly contributed to the atmosphere where it was more likely."

This is a passive aggressive comment to allow you to agree with the shooting.

There are so many"contributors" to whatever atmosphere that DON'T justify murder. Right, left, whatever.

No, it's a direct comment saying that the rush to canonize this guy was turning my stomach. He was the victim of an awful act. That didn't make him a good person, particularly when he contributed to the precise problem that Republicans were falsely claiming Democrats were solely responsible for in order to score political points. --Bob

[BackInTex]

"But I will say he directly contributed to the atmosphere where it was more likely."

This is a passive aggressive comment to allow you to agree with the shooting.

There are so many"contributors" to whatever atmosphere that DON'T justify murder. Right, left, whatever.

No, it's a direct comment saying that the rush to canonize this guy was turning my stomach. He was the victim of an awful act. That didn't make him a good person, particularly when he contributed to the precise problem that Republicans were falsely claiming Democrats were solely responsible for in order to score political points. --Bob

What precise problem are you referring to?

[flockofseagulls104]

Sorry, bob. The problem is you and people that (don't) think like you.

I listened to or watched Charlie Kirk almost every weekday for the past several years. I've seen many videos of him talking to college students. You, AOC, Jasmine Crockett and all the others are reactionary and ignorant.

You, SSS, ifonly and others have called me and other people on this bored names and accused us of bullshit through the years based on NOTHING. And you do that generally to people you have never met or even paid any attention to because that is what you have been conditioned to do. You did it to Rush Limbaugh and now you're doing it to Charlie Kirk.

I don't care that you disagree with Charlie's opinions, that is your right as an American. But to disparage him with lies about what he said or what he stood for is a whole nother thing. Charlie Kirk is no more a racist than I am. He was not a nazi or white supremacist. He had no hate in his heart, Charlie Kirk did it differently.

You ain't getting away with that anymore, and you will be called out for it for what it is. Pure unadulturated blind hatred. Wear it, bob. Or look inside and change it.

[silverscreenselect]

Charlie Kirk is no more a racist than I am.

I won't touch that line.

[Bob78164]

"But I will say he directly contributed to the atmosphere where it was more likely."

This is a passive aggressive comment to allow you to agree with the shooting.

There are so many"contributors" to whatever atmosphere that DON'T justify murder. Right, left, whatever.

No, it's a direct comment saying that the rush to canonize this guy was turning my stomach. He was the victim of an awful act. That didn't make him a good person, particularly when he contributed to the precise problem that Republicans were falsely claiming Democrats were solely responsible for in order to score political points. --Bob

What precise problem are you referring to?

Rhetoric that glorifies and encourages the commission of violent acts, such asking for a "patriot" to bail out David DePape. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

Charlie Kirk is no more a racist than I am.

I won't touch that line.

Exactly my point. Touch it, coward. There is no reasoning with ilk like you unless and until you realize your own shortcomings and hatred. You think I'm racist? Define what the hell you are talking about and give incontrovertible evidence proving it and if you can't try and learn something about that.

[flockofseagulls104]

No, it's a direct comment saying that the rush to canonize this guy was turning my stomach. He was the victim of an awful act. That didn't make him a good person, particularly when he contributed to the precise problem that Republicans were falsely claiming Democrats were solely responsible for in order to score political points. --Bob

What precise problem are you referring to?

Rhetoric that glorifies and encourages the commission of violent acts, such asking for a "patriot" to bail out David DePape. --Bob

Here you go again. Kirk was ubiquitous in the media. There are many years of statements he made. Yet you pick this particular one, you've already used it twice, on which to base your biased opinion. At least AOC picked another one to misquote him on which to base hers.

Kirk continued his comments, which came just days after the 2022 attack, saying of DePape, "And why is he still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out? By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out… Bail him out and then go ask him some questions."

Kirk went on to complain that other criminals committing similar offenses in Chicago and San Francisco get let out on bail immediately, but not "when you come after the Pelosis."

It seems to me that quote is a sarcastic observation that criminals in your state, California, and especially in SF, get released with no bail, or wonderful 'patriots' like Kamala Harris raise bail money for them, as she did during the George Floyd 'mostly peaceful protests'. But not for attacking the Pelosi's.

He could have worded it better, but that's the meaning I would get from it. He went on to say (and of course, your expert sources don't mention it):

Kirk's remarks, delivered during an Oct. 31, 2022, episode of his podcast, "The Charlie Kirk Show," also included him saying, "I'm not qualifying [the attack]. I think it's awful." He asked why the attacker was held without bail, claiming that in Chicago someone can "commit murder and be out the next day."

Do more research, bob. And more introspection before you accuse someone you know nothing about of things like this.

[flockofseagulls104]

So many lies about Charlie Kirk.

Here's AOC with just one of them. This is the person some of you want to be President. I saw this a couple of days ago in two seperate posts, but this guy went ahead and edited them together to show what a frickin liar AOC is in particular, and the left is in general. We cannot have unity with them UNTIL THEY ADMIT TO THEIR LIES AND APOLOGIZE SINCERELY. Better than burning down cities, doncha think? It ain't bullshit. THis is NOT a difference of opinion. AOC is stupid, but not this stupid. She, and most of the left, is deliberately lying to you, because if they told you the truth, you would run away from them. For God's sake, start recognizing that. Sorry, beebs, but it cannot be ignored anymore.

Tell me, bobs... Is AOC stupid, uninformed, or hateful? What other explanations might you have? She's a US Congresswoman, for God's sake. Do you think she has the responsibility to know the FACTS before she says such heinous crap? Don't you think maybe one of her staff could warn her that she is making a slanderous accusation? Shouldn't she be able to find out Kirk's actual position on the issue before she makes such a stupid and uninformed statement? Or do you excuse her, because you want to be able to do the same thing, because your only position on issues is disgusting ad hominem attacks against those you don't agree with?

[flockofseagulls104]

Disney has announced that Jimmy Kimmel will be back on the air tomorrow, September 23. According to their statement:

Last Wednesday, we made the decision to suspend production on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country. It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive. We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday.

Kimmel had earlier issued his own statement on social media:

Instead of the angry finger-pointing, can we just for one day agree that it is horrible and monstrous to shoot another human? On behalf of my family, we send love to the Kirks and to all the children, parents and innocents who fall victim to senseless gun violence.

https://people.com/jimmy-kimmel-live-re ... n=15038359

Not so fast....
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tv/ ... p_catchall

[Spock]

No, it's a direct comment saying that the rush to canonize this guy was turning my stomach. He was the victim of an awful act. That didn't make him a good person, particularly when he contributed to the precise problem that Republicans were falsely claiming Democrats were solely responsible for in order to score political points. --Bob

What precise problem are you referring to?

Rhetoric that glorifies and encourages the commission of violent acts, such asking for a "patriot" to bail out David DePape. --Bob

IOW-I guess it is a good thing that he was assassinated then.

[Bob78164]

What precise problem are you referring to?

Rhetoric that glorifies and encourages the commission of violent acts, such asking for a "patriot" to bail out David DePape. --Bob

IOW-I guess it is a good thing that he was assassinated then.

Not what I said, and not what I think.

Do you believe that someone who called for the release of the guy who took a hammer to Paul Pelosi's skull deserves to be glorified? Because the glorification is what I'm objecting to.

It's possible to deplore the killing without making the guy some kind of a hero. That's where I'm at. And it's also possible to call out Republican politicians for hypocrisy when they use this killing to score political points, when they were largely silent after Melissa Hortman and her husband were shot and killed. (Or did I miss the flags being lowered to half-staff when that happened?) That's also where I'm at. --Bob

[BackInTex]

Not what I said, and not what I think.

You can't use that deflection if you don't give others such grace.

[Bob78164]

Not what I said, and not what I think.

You can't use that deflection if you don't give others such grace.

No deflection. He tried to put words in my mouth (or on my keyboard) that I neither wrote nor agree with. I corrected him.

Do you agree with glorifying a guy who said that some "patriot" should bail out David DePape? --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

Talk about awkward timing. Disney+ has just announced price hikes for its various streaming packages beginning October 21. The basic Disney+ (with ads) subscription is going up $2 a month to $11.99, while the premium service (no adds) will increase $3 to $18.99. The Disney+ with Hulu, Disney+ with Hulu and ESPN+, and Disney+ with Hulu and Max (which we have) are also going up $2 or $3 a month.

Not the best time to announce a price hike, although they announced a similar round of price hikes at this same time last year.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/busin ... 236377987/