Here's another GroganGame

[mellytu74]

[/quote] The Georgetown one is Henry Hyde, as it was noted when he died.[quote]

DUH! I didn't think of that until you posted it.

[franktangredi]

25. In his first senate campaign, he defeated an opponent who had earlier carried on an extramarital affair with his eventual predecessor for a different office


Did Helen Gahagan Douglas ever have an affair with LBJ? If so, then the answer is RICHARD NIXON

[mellytu74]

25. In his first senate campaign, he defeated an opponent who had earlier carried on an extramarital affair with his eventual predecessor for a different office


Did Helen Gahagan Douglas ever have an affair with LBJ? If so, then the answer is RICHARD NIXON

I was thinking the same thing, Frank. BUT, I was wondering if we were discussing immediate predecessor.

If we're not, could the affair been with JFK?

[franktangredi]

25. In his first senate campaign, he defeated an opponent who had earlier carried on an extramarital affair with his eventual predecessor for a different office


Did Helen Gahagan Douglas ever have an affair with LBJ? If so, then the answer is RICHARD NIXON

I was thinking the same thing, Frank. BUT, I was wondering if we were discussing immediate predecessor.

If we're not, could the affair been with JFK?

In either case, the answer is still Nixon.

I'm very disappointed in Helen, though not nearly as disappointed as Melvyn must have been.

[mellytu74]

Actually, Frank, do we KNOW that Helen Gahagan Douglas had this affair?

I mean, Nixon fits the clue but only if Helen had the affair.

If she didn't, we're looking for someone else.

I did a little Googling at the start of lunch and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of an affair.

I would hate to think that we are impugning the lady's reputation, although, God knows, Nixon did a pretty good job of that himself.

[franktangredi]

Actually, Frank, do we KNOW that Helen Gahagan Douglas had this affair?

I mean, Nixon fits the clue but only if Helen had the affair.

If she didn't, we're looking for someone else.

I did a little Googling at the start of lunch and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of an affair.

I would hate to think that we are impugning the lady's reputation, although, God knows, Nixon did a pretty good job of that himself.

I did a confirmatory search and found out that there is a pretty strong rumor, at least, linking Lyndon to Helen. So I think we're solid on Nixon here.

[smilergrogan]

Actually, Frank, do we KNOW that Helen Gahagan Douglas had this affair?

I mean, Nixon fits the clue but only if Helen had the affair.

If she didn't, we're looking for someone else.

I did a little Googling at the start of lunch and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of an affair.

I would hate to think that we are impugning the lady's reputation, although, God knows, Nixon did a pretty good job of that himself.

I did a confirmatory search and found out that there is a pretty strong rumor, at least, linking Lyndon to Helen. So I think we're solid on Nixon here.

It was in Robert Caro's book. Not that that makes it true, but just imagine what the campaign would have been like if Nixon had known about it!

[mellytu74]

OK, then.

I am officially disappointed in Helen, too.

[franktangredi]

OK, then.

I am officially disappointed in Helen, too.

Though not nearly as disappointed as I would have been if she'd had an affair with Nixon.

[NellyLunatic1980]

Consolidation time...

Combine the answers to the following 78 questions to make 29 pairs and 8 trios, according to a Tangredi, or principle you must discover. Four answers will be used twice, each in two different capacities.

There will probably be some unanticipated alternate matches, but with any luck everything will clear itself up in the end.

1. DARA TORRES
2. GEORGE EASTMAN
3. JERRY BRUCKHEIMER
4. HELEN FIELDING
5. BARBARA JORDAN
6. ROBERT E. SHERWOOD
7. ZACK WHEAT
8. JOHN ENTWISTLE
9. VAN MORRISON
10. WILLIAM ALLEN WHITE
11. DON CHERRY
12. TERRY FOX

13. Used in a previous game as a "Crouching Tiger" (ah, memories), he set an all-time Big Ten conference batting mark of .585 for the University of Michigan in 1961, and served as manager of the Wolverines from 1989-95

14. CLYDE TOMBAUGH
15. BRIAN McBRIDE
16. DIONNE WARWICK
17. KENNETH MARS
18. MALCOLM FORBES
19. LILY TOMLIN
20. JOHN BIRCH
21. BUDDY HOLLY

22. Named "Accessory Designer of the Year" for 1998 by the CFDA (Council of Fashion Designers of America, of course), her signature product was often used by characters in her brother-in-law's TV show
KATE SPADE?

23. TONY GONZALEZ
24. LENA OLIN
25. RICHARD NIXON
26. BARBARA WALTERS
27. CARMEN MIRANDA
28. HOBEY BAKER
29. CHARLIE ROSE
30. ALAN DERSHOWITZ
31. JACK ELAM
32. JOHANNES DIEDRIK VAN DER WAALS
33. JOHN CONYERS
34. MIKE SHANNON
35. CONDOLEEZZA RICE
36. GARY COLEMAN
37. ALEXANDER POPE
38. GINGER ROGERS
39. ROY ROGERS
40. CHRISTOPHER WREN

41. Her professional experience observing the child-raising practices of other cultures may have influenced the views of her own pediatrician, Benjamin Spock

42. FREDERICK JACKSON TURNER
43. STEVE WOZNIAK
44. RICK MONDAY
45. KIM BASINGER
46. HENRY HYDE

47. Rising through the ranks of the British East India Company under Robert Clive, he was appointed the first governor-general of India in 1773

48. SUZANNE VEGA
49. PRINCE ROGERS NELSON

50. This Brazilian jazz fusion singer was an original member of Chick Corea's band Return to Forever, and has won Downbeat magazine's Female vocalist of the year award four times
FLORA PURIM?

51. CHANG AND ENG BUNKER
52. JOHN TOWER
53. DIANA ROSS
54. EZRA POUND
55. CONWAY TWITTY
56. TINA WEYMOUTH
57. JOHNNY CARSON
58. FRANCIS SCOTT KEY
59. PAULA JONES
60. J.R.R. TOLKIEN

61. This busy conductor currently directs a major symphony orchestra and a major opera house, each in a different city

62. KEVIN McHALE
63. JOHN BONHAM
64. IDI AMIN
65. HIRAM ULYSSES SIMPSON GRANT
66. JONATHAN EDWARDS
67. BOBBY RIGGS
68. ALICE MARBLE
69. CLARENCE THOMAS

70. This composer's best-loved work is alluded to in the melody of "When You Wish Upon a Star"

71. ZEBULON PIKE
72. SUSAN ST. JAMES

73. As Prime Minister, he was blamed for the humiliating events which were widely considered to mark the formal end of Britain's superpower status

74. KATHARINE ANNE PORTER
75. MELANIE GRIFFITH

77. He and Harriet Miers are currently the subject of a lawsuit filed by the U.S. House to force them to testify before the House Judiciary Committee about the firings of U.S. attorneys
ALBERTO GONZALEZ? JOSH BOLTON?

76. He was the leading representative of the post World War II genre known as "Trummerliteratur" ("rubble literature")
HEINRICH BOLL?

78. JOHN HAY

[franktangredi]

Consolidation time...

Combine the answers to the following 78 questions to make 29 pairs and 8 trios, according to a Tangredi, or principle you must discover. Four answers will be used twice, each in two different capacities.

There will probably be some unanticipated alternate matches, but with any luck everything will clear itself up in the end.

1. DARA TORRES
2. GEORGE EASTMAN
3. JERRY BRUCKHEIMER
4. HELEN FIELDING
5. BARBARA JORDAN
6. ROBERT E. SHERWOOD
7. ZACK WHEAT
8. JOHN ENTWISTLE
9. VAN MORRISON
10. WILLIAM ALLEN WHITE
11. DON CHERRY
12. TERRY FOX

13. Used in a previous game as a "Crouching Tiger" (ah, memories), he set an all-time Big Ten conference batting mark of .585 for the University of Michigan in 1961, and served as manager of the Wolverines from 1989-95

Somebody said this was BILL FREEHAN

14. CLYDE TOMBAUGH
15. BRIAN McBRIDE
16. DIONNE WARWICK
17. KENNETH MARS
18. MALCOLM FORBES
19. LILY TOMLIN
20. JOHN BIRCH
21. BUDDY HOLLY

22. Named "Accessory Designer of the Year" for 1998 by the CFDA (Council of Fashion Designers of America, of course), her signature product was often used by characters in her brother-in-law's TV show
KATE SPADE?

23. TONY GONZALEZ
24. LENA OLIN
25. RICHARD NIXON
26. BARBARA WALTERS
27. CARMEN MIRANDA
28. HOBEY BAKER
29. CHARLIE ROSE
30. ALAN DERSHOWITZ
31. JACK ELAM
32. JOHANNES DIEDRIK VAN DER WAALS
33. JOHN CONYERS
34. MIKE SHANNON
35. CONDOLEEZZA RICE
36. GARY COLEMAN
37. ALEXANDER POPE
38. GINGER ROGERS
39. ROY ROGERS
40. CHRISTOPHER WREN

41. Her professional experience observing the child-raising practices of other cultures may have influenced the views of her own pediatrician, Benjamin Spock

I think this is MARGARET MEAD

42. FREDERICK JACKSON TURNER
43. STEVE WOZNIAK
44. RICK MONDAY
45. KIM BASINGER
46. HENRY HYDE

47. Rising through the ranks of the British East India Company under Robert Clive, he was appointed the first governor-general of India in 1773

WARREN HASTINGS?

48. SUZANNE VEGA
49. PRINCE ROGERS NELSON

50. This Brazilian jazz fusion singer was an original member of Chick Corea's band Return to Forever, and has won Downbeat magazine's Female vocalist of the year award four times
FLORA PURIM?

51. CHANG AND ENG BUNKER
52. JOHN TOWER
53. DIANA ROSS
54. EZRA POUND
55. CONWAY TWITTY
56. TINA WEYMOUTH
57. JOHNNY CARSON
58. FRANCIS SCOTT KEY
59. PAULA JONES
60. J.R.R. TOLKIEN

61. This busy conductor currently directs a major symphony orchestra and a major opera house, each in a different city

62. KEVIN McHALE
63. JOHN BONHAM
64. IDI AMIN
65. HIRAM ULYSSES SIMPSON GRANT
66. JONATHAN EDWARDS
67. BOBBY RIGGS
68. ALICE MARBLE
69. CLARENCE THOMAS

70. This composer's best-loved work is alluded to in the melody of "When You Wish Upon a Star"

I'm not sure, but I think I detect a hint of RACHMANINOFF?

71. ZEBULON PIKE
72. SUSAN ST. JAMES

73. As Prime Minister, he was blamed for the humiliating events which were widely considered to mark the formal end of Britain's superpower status

Might this be a reference to the Suez Crisis? If so, then it's ANTHONY EDEN

74. KATHARINE ANNE PORTER
75. MELANIE GRIFFITH

77. He and Harriet Miers are currently the subject of a lawsuit filed by the U.S. House to force them to testify before the House Judiciary Committee about the firings of U.S. attorneys
ALBERTO GONZALEZ? JOSH BOLTON?

76. He was the leading representative of the post World War II genre known as "Trummerliteratur" ("rubble literature")
HEINRICH BOLL?

78. JOHN HAY

[NellyLunatic1980]

13. Used in a previous game as a "Crouching Tiger" (ah, memories), he set an all-time Big Ten conference batting mark of .585 for the University of Michigan in 1961, and served as manager of the Wolverines from 1989-95.

BILL FREEHAN would be correct:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Freehan

[Appa23]

Actually, Frank, do we KNOW that Helen Gahagan Douglas had this affair?

I mean, Nixon fits the clue but only if Helen had the affair.

If she didn't, we're looking for someone else.

I did a little Googling at the start of lunch and there doesn't seem to be any evidence of an affair.

I would hate to think that we are impugning the lady's reputation, although, God knows, Nixon did a pretty good job of that himself.

Google harder.

I found evidence of the affair via Google after it was posted as a possible answer.

One of the biographies of LBJ was very graphic in the descriptions of LBJ as a habitual adulterer and a man proud of his "attributes."

[Appa23]

13. Used in a previous game as a "Crouching Tiger" (ah, memories), he set an all-time Big Ten conference batting mark of .585 for the University of Michigan in 1961, and served as manager of the Wolverines from 1989-95.

BILL FREEHAN would be correct:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Freehan

I know. That is why I gave it as the answer.

As I did for Margaret Mead.

[Appa23]

BTW, in checking one answer, Kate Spade was the 1997 winner, while Marc Jacobs won in 1998-99.

[earendel]

41. Her professional experience observing the child-raising practices of other cultures may have influenced the views of her own pediatrician, Benjamin Spock

MARGARET MEAD


47. Rising through the ranks of the British East India Company under Robert Clive, he was appointed the first governor-general of India in 1773

WILLIAM HASTINGS

[Bob78164]

35. At age 8, she lost her friend Denise McNair in the infamous 16th Street Baptist Church bombing

CONDOLEEZA RICE

If spelling matters, it's CONDOLEEZZA. --Bob

[Bob78164]

77. He and Harriet Miers are currently the subject of a lawsuit filed by the U.S. House to force them to testify before the House Judiciary Committee about the firings of U.S. attorneys
ALBERTO GONZALEZ? JOSH BOLTON?

I know it's not Gonzalez. I think it's Bolton. --Bob

[NellyLunatic1980]

There is one question left that does not have a guess or answer with it:

61. This busy conductor currently directs a major symphony orchestra and a major opera house, each in a different city.

I wanted to say Daniel Barenboim, but he is no longer the conductor of the Chicago Symphony. Until two years ago, he did conduct that and the Berlin Opera together.

I know of only three other conductors--Zubin Mehta, Kurt Masur, and Esa Peka Salonen--and none of them currently conduct opera.

[plasticene]

There is one question left that does not have a guess or answer with it:

61. This busy conductor currently directs a major symphony orchestra and a major opera house, each in a different city.

I wanted to say Daniel Barenboim, but he is no longer the conductor of the Chicago Symphony. Until two years ago, he did conduct that and the Berlin Opera together.

I know of only three other conductors--Zubin Mehta, Kurt Masur, and Esa Peka Salonen--and none of them currently conduct opera.

JAMES LEVINE is the music director of the Metropolitan Opera and the Boston Symphony, both of which qualify as major.

[kroxquo]

Combine the answers to the following 78 questions to make 29 pairs and 8 trios, according to a Tangredi, or principle you must discover. Four answers will be used twice, each in two different capacities.

There will probably be some unanticipated alternate matches, but with any luck everything will clear itself up in the end.


1. Later this summer she may become the first 5-time Olympian (and first 40-year old) to compete in her sport WAG - Misti May?

5. A 1999 survey of speech professors ranked two of this politician's addresses (delivered in 1974 and 1976) among the top 15 American speeches of the 20th century, and the only ones among the top 15 given by a woman Shirley Chisholm?

7. Along with Ty Cobb and Eddie Collins, this former Dodgers star signed with the Philadelphia A's prior to the 1927 season, giving the team seven future hall-of-famers Zack Wheat?

9. This singer/songwriter's first band was named for a 1954 horror movie about giant insects Van Morrison - the Band was Them


11. On a 2004 CBC series called "The Greatest Canadian", this broadcaster and former NHL coach placed seventh, three places ahead of Wayne Gretzky Don Cherry

12. On the same list, this man who died at the age of 22 placed second I know a Canadian named Brown shot down the Red Baron in WWI. Him maybe?

14. Some of this astronomer's ashes are on board the New Horizons spacecraft, set to arrive at its main target in July 2015 Carl Sagan

15. He is the only American to score a goal in more than one men's World Cup Landon Donovan?

16. It didn't require a psychic network to predict the success of this talented singer, a long-time collaborator of Burt Bacharach Dionne Warwick

18. This publisher founded a motorcycle club called the Capitalist Tools, the same name he gave to his private Boeing 727 jet Malcolm Forbes

19. In the early 1970s this comedian turned down a $500,000 offer to film commercials for AT&T, but in 2003 she participated in an ad campaign for the internet communications company WebEx How many female comedians have been around that long? How about Phyllis Diller

23. He holds the NFL records for career receptions and touchdowns by a tight end Mike Ditka?

25. In his first senate campaign, he defeated an opponent who had earlier carried on an extramarital affair with his eventual predecessor for a different office Richard Nixon?

29. After serving as executive producer of "Bill Moyers' Journal" on PBS in the 1970s, he began appearing on camera himself, eventually getting his own show Jim Lehrer

30. In 1967, this outspoken lawyer became at age 28 the youngest full professor in the history of Harvard University F. Lee Bailey?

31. This long-time character actor in dramatic and later comedic Westerns lost the sight in his left eye at age 12 when a fellow boy scout threw a pencil at him Jack Elam

34. Known as "Moon Man" during his playing days, this year fans of this announcer eagerly awaited his first attempt at pronouncing "Fukudome" Bill Lee

42. The U.S. Census Bureau's 1890 declaration of the death of the American frontier prompted a seminal essay by this historian, first presented at the 1893 Columbian Exposition Frederick Jackson Turner

44. This Arizona State star was the first player ever drafted in the Major League Baseball draft WAG Bob Horner

46. In 1943, he led Georgetown to its only NCAA basketball tournament final until the Patrick Ewing era, but he is better remembered for events which took place almost 56 years later WAG Ken Starr

48. Her 1987 hit song was about the same New York City restaurant later used for exterior shots of the diner frequented by the characters on "Seinfeld" Suzanne Vega?

51. Their liver can be seen on display at the Mutter museum of medical curiosities in Philadelphia Chang and Eng

53. In 1976, Billboard magazine named her "female entertainer of the century" Barbra Streisand

56. She, her future husband, and their future bandleader met in 1970 as freshmen at the Rhode Island School of Design Tina Weymouth of Talking Heads?

57. He once successfully sued a portable toilet manufacturer for appropriating his show's catchphrase (Stanley Kubrick evidently had better lawyers) Johnny Carson

67. Known during and after his playing days as a hustler and gambler, he claimed to have won $105,000 in 1939 by betting on himself to win the singles, doubles, and mixed doubles championships at Wimbledon Bobby Riggs

69. On February 22 of this year, news organizations noted the second anniversary of the last time he had uttered a word in the publicly visible part of his high profile job Clarence Thomas

72. This actress received three Emmy nominations co-starring with an original Not Ready for Prime-Time Player, and met her husband while hosting Saturday Night Live herself Susan St. James?

77. He and Harriet Miers are currently the subject of a lawsuit filed by the U.S. House to force them to testify before the House Judiciary Committee about the firings of U.S. attorneys Alberto Gonzalez
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[franktangredi]

So unless I'm mistaken, we now have solid answers to all but the "When You Wish Upon a Star" questions. No idea on the Tangredi yet, but an awful lot of these names are words. And I'm still intrigued by the lack of an associated words list.

Combine the answers to the following 78 questions to make 29 pairs and 8 trios, according to a Tangredi, or principle you must discover. Four answers will be used twice, each in two different capacities.

There will probably be some unanticipated alternate matches, but with any luck everything will clear itself up in the end.

1. Dara Torres
2. George Eastman
3. Jerry Bruckheimer
4. Helen Fielding
5. Barbara Jordan
6. Robert E. Sherwood
7. Zack Wheat
8. John Entwistle
9. Van Morrison
10. William Allen White
11. Don Cherry
12. Terry Fox
13. Bill Freehan
14. Clyde Tombaugh
15. Brian McBride
16. Dionne Warwick
17. Kenneth Mars
18. Malcolm Forbes
19. Lily Tomlin
20. John Birch
21. Buddy Holly
22. Kate Spade
23. Tony Gonzalez
24. Lena Olin
25. Richard Nixon
26. Barbara Walters
27. Carmen Miranda
28. Hobey Baker
29. Charlie Rose
30. Alan Dershowitz
31. Jack Elam
32. Johannes Diedrik Van Der Waals
33. John Conyers
34. Mike Shannon
35. Condoleezza Rice
36. Gary Coleman
37. Alexander Pope
38. Ginger Rogers
39. Roy Rogers
40. Christopher Wren
41. Margaret Mead
42. Frederick Jackson Turner
43. Steve Wozniak
44. Rick Monday
45. Kim Basinger
46. Henry Hyde
47. Warren Hastings
48. Suzanne Vega
49. Prince Rogers Nelson
50. Flora Purim
51. Chang & Eng Bunker
52. John Tower
53. Diana Ross
54. Ezra Pound
55. Conway Twitty
56. Tina Weymouth
57. Johnny Carson
58. Francis Scott Key
59. Paula Jones
60. J.R.R. Tolkien
61. James Levine
62. Kevin McHale
63. John Bonham
64. Idi Amin
65. Hiram Ulysses Simpson Grant
66. Jonathan Edwards
67. Bobby Riggs
68. Alice Marble
69. Clarence Thomas

70. This composer's best-loved work is alluded to in the melody of "When You Wish Upon a Star"
Sergei Rachmaninoff?

71. Zebulon Pike
72. Susan St. James
73. Anthony Eden
74. Katharine Anne Porter
75. Melanie Griffith
77. Josh Bolton
76. Heinrich Boll
78. John Hay

[mellytu74]

Could there be a clue in that GroganGame is one word in Smiler's title?

What, I don't know though.

[smilergrogan]

So unless I'm mistaken, we now have solid answers to all but the "When You Wish Upon a Star" questions. No idea on the Tangredi yet, but an awful lot of these names are words. And I'm still intrigued by the lack of an associated words list.

Good work - there are two wrong answers (plus the guess).

[NellyLunatic1980]

I'm sure those wrong answers will work themselves out as we start matching up the names.

Of course, that requires us to figure out the Tangredi. I have no clue whatsoever.