Game #220 – Pushing the Envelope

[mellytu74]

54. His real-life roles included a 19th century dictator, a 20th century dictator, and a popular vaudeville and film comedian.

ROD STEIGER played WC Fields. I think he played Mussolini. I got nothin' on the 19th century dictator, so there could be a better answer.

[kroxquo]

54. His real-life roles included a 19th century dictator, a 20th century dictator, and a popular vaudeville and film comedian.

ROD STEIGER played WC Fields. I think he played Mussolini. I got nothin' on the 19th century dictator, so there could be a better answer.

I think he played Napoleon as well.

[franktangredi]

There are three wrong answers on here, but I think they'll work themselves out. In one case, tv movies don't count. The other two are just wrong.

Game #220 – Pushing the Envelope

Identify the 85 actors below. (Every other clue is a quotation.) Then, match them into 50 pairs according to a Tangredi, or principle you must discover for yourself.

Nine actors will be used twice and three actors will be used three times.

1. MAGGIE SMITH

2. He completes a very specific Oscar list that also includes George Arliss, Daniel Day Lewis, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Ben Kingsley, Sean Penn, and George C. Scott.
CILLIAN MURPHY (Each of the actors in the list won a Best Actor Oscar for portraying a real person, and the title of the film was just that person's last name.)

3. LIONEL BARRYMORE

4. He has worked under the direction of (among others) Tim Burton, Ron Howard, Quentin Tarantino, Kenneth Branagh, and Alejandro Iñárritu
MICHAEL KEATON

5. AUDREY HEPBURN
6. JUDE LAW

7. “My children are in need of medical assistance! And you can sit here and smugly lecture me on the importance of tests? Tests which exist to pigeonhole children's potential, a thing which cannot possibly be measured, least of all by anal-compulsive huns! And my husband may be a ‘large child,’ but that's none of your business! And my children may be rotten, but they're mine. And I think that they're bright, and sensitive, so I have no doubts whatsoever about their intelligence. I do, however, have serious doubts about yours!”
GOLDIE HAWN (Overboard)

8. RICHARD HARRIS (MacArthur Park)
9. EDMUND GWENN (Them!)

10. At the age of fourteen, he made the first of seven films for the same renowned director – and the first of five playing the same character.
TOSHIRO MIFUNE

11. “Oooh, that's a bingo! Is that the way you say it? ‘That's a bingo?’"
CHRISTOPH WALTZ

12. She completes a list that also includes Mahershala Ali, Adrien Brody, Helen Hayes, Luise Rainer, Kevin Spacey, Hilary Swank, and the actor in the preceding clue.
VIVIAN LEIGH

13. “They take you to a tree and hang you by your skin. Each time you scream the evil comes out of you. Sometimes, it can take three days for your evil to be spent. Pull him up.”
FOREST WHITAKER

14. He completes a list that includes Alan Ladd, Robert Redford, and Leonardo DiCaprio.
TOBY STEPHENS (Gatsby)

15. DIANE KEATON
16. SIMONE SIGNORET
17. MATTHEW BRODERICK

18. Three members of the Oriental Lazy Boyz street gang were tried and convicted for his 1996 murder.
HAING NGOR

19. “I'm just gettin' warmed up! I don't know who went to this place, William Howard Taft, William Jennings Bryan, William Tell, whoever. Their spirit is dead, if they ever had one. It's gone. You're building a rat ship here. A vessel for seagoing snitches, and if you think you're preparing these minnows for manhood, you better think again, because I say you are killing the very spirit this institution proclaims it instills.”
AL PACINO

20. Her real-life characters included an English queen, a French actress, a British poet, a French assassin, the mistress of a British military hero, and the wife of a Russian composer.
GLENDA JACKSON

21. HERBERT MARSHALL
22. BURL IVES
23. DUSTIN HOFFMAN

24. He was the second Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright to get an Oscar nomination for acting.
JASON MILLER? SAM SHEPHERD?

25. SOARISE RONAN
26. ANNA MAGNANI (Open City)
27. MICHAEL CAINE
28. MATTHEW McCONNAGHY
29. WALTER MATTHAU
30. JANET GAYNOR
31. BILL NIGHY (Love Actually)
32. ALICE BRADY
33. MALCOLM McDOWELL (Clockwork Orange)
34. JEAN ARTHUR
35. ALBERT FINNEY

36. Of all the scenes she filmed under the direction of Ingmar Bergman, the most memorable – and disturbing – was one in which she mutilates her genitals with a broken glass.
INGRID THULIN

37. “You wakened me from an eternity of darkness. You. You. You are not for the living. You are not for human kind. And shall you be one with me ever ¬– eternally? Do you swear it?”
BILL SKARSGARD

38. Her filmography includes adaptations of works by William Faulkner, Tennessee Williams, Edith Wharton, Ross MacDonald, John O’Hara, and William Inge.
JOANNE WOODWARD

39. “Would you give a guy a foot massage?”
JOHN TRAVOLTA

40. RAY MILLAND
41. GARY COOPER
42. GERALDINE PAGE

43. “We just lost the moon.”
TOM HANKS (Apollo 13)

44. DEV PATEL

45. “I killed those guys because they were awful. Everybody is awful these days. It's enough to make anyone crazy.”
JOAQUIN PHOENIX

46. KURT RUSSELL
47. GRETA GARBO (Ninotchka)

48. Her career has included adaptations of works by Virginia Woolf, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Charles Dickens, C.S. Lewis, and Carlo Collodi.
TILDA SWINTON

49. “Everybody thinks I'm suicidal, in which case, I'm f**ked and nobody wants to work with me; or they think I'm faking to draw a psycho pension, in which case, I'm f**ked and nobody wants to work with me. Basically, I'm f**ked.”
MEL GIBSON

50. He played a reformed jewel thief turned detective in a series of 14 films from 1941 to 1949.
CHESTER MORRIS

51. SUSAN HAYWARD
52. JO VAN FLEET

53. “Do I understand this correctly? I'm being marked down? What is this? The Bargain Basement? I've been kidnapped by Kmart!”
BETTE MIDLER

54. His real-life roles included a 19th century dictator, a 20th century dictator, and a popular vaudeville and film comedian.

55. “What have you done to him? What have you done to his eyes, you maniacs!”
MIA FARROW

56. BRIE LARSON
57. INGRID BERGMAN

58. He co-starred with Shirley Temple in her first three movies.
BILL ROBINSON? JAMES DUNN?

59. CLARK GABLE

60. He appeared in four adaptations of works by Charles Dickens, including his first two films.
RALPH INESON

61. ED BEGLEY (12 Angry Men)

62. As a teenager, this actress was diagnosed with hyposomatotropism.
LINDA HUNT

63. “Kill white folks and they pay you for it? What's not to like?”
JAMIE FOXX

64. She has been nominated for 16 César Awards – more than any other actress – but her most notable American film was one of Hollywood’s most notorious bombs.
ISABELLE HUPPERT

65. ALAN ARKIN
66. GINGER ROGERS
67. MARLENE DIETRICH
68. STOCKARD CHANNING
69. JOAN CRAWFORD
70. MARGOT KIDDER
71. STERLING HAYDEN (Dr. Strangelove)
72. ANDREW McCARTHY
73. SIDNEY POITIER

74. She was the first Chinese movie star to appear on the cover of Time magazine.
GONG LI

75. JOHN MARLEY
76. JULIANNE MOORE
77. ANTHONY HOPKINS
78. JOHN HOUSEMAN
79. REGINA KING
80. RICHARD GERE
81. MERYL STREEP
82. BRUCE DERN
83. JIMMY STEWART
84. LILLIAN GISH
85. KATHERINE HEPBURN

[Vandal]

10. At the age of fourteen, he made the first of seven films for the same renowned director – and the first of five playing the same character.
TOSHIRO MIFUNE - this is wrong

[mrkelley23]

I don't think Ralph Ineson can be right for 60. But I can't think who is.

[franktangredi]

I don't think Ralph Ineson can be right for 60. But I can't think who is.

He's a major name. And these were major films.

[jarnon]

There are three wrong answers on here, but I think they'll work themselves out. In one case, tv movies don't count. The other two are just wrong.

The Great Gatsby with Toby Stephens is, in fact, a TV movie. So the three wrong answers have been identified, and the remainder are presumably correct.

[jarnon]

Updated consolidation …

Game #220 – Pushing the Envelope

Identify the 85 actors below. (Every other clue is a quotation.) Then, match them into 50 pairs according to a Tangredi, or principle you must discover for yourself.

Nine actors will be used twice and three actors will be used three times.

1. MAGGIE SMITH
2. CILLIAN MURPHY (Each of the actors in the list won a Best Actor Oscar for portraying a real person, and the title of the film was just that person's last name.)
3. LIONEL BARRYMORE
4. MICHAEL KEATON
5. AUDREY HEPBURN
6. JUDE LAW
7. GOLDIE HAWN (Overboard)
8. RICHARD HARRIS (MacArthur Park)
9. EDMUND GWENN (Them!)

10. At the age of fourteen, he made the first of seven films for the same renowned director – and the first of five playing the same character.

11. CHRISTOPH WALTZ
12. VIVIAN LEIGH
13. FOREST WHITAKER

14. He completes a list that includes Alan Ladd, Robert Redford, and Leonardo DiCaprio.
(Gatsby)

15. DIANE KEATON
16. SIMONE SIGNORET
17. MATTHEW BRODERICK
18. HAING NGOR
19. AL PACINO
20. GLENDA JACKSON
21. HERBERT MARSHALL
22. BURL IVES
23. DUSTIN HOFFMAN

24. He was the second Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright to get an Oscar nomination for acting.
SAM SHEPHERD

25. SOARISE RONAN
26. ANNA MAGNANI (Open City)
27. MICHAEL CAINE
28. MATTHEW McCONNAGHY
29. WALTER MATTHAU
30. JANET GAYNOR
31. BILL NIGHY (Love Actually)
32. ALICE BRADY
33. MALCOLM McDOWELL (Clockwork Orange)
34. JEAN ARTHUR
35. ALBERT FINNEY
36. INGRID THULIN
37. BILL SKARSGARD
38. JOANNE WOODWARD
39. JOHN TRAVOLTA
40. RAY MILLAND
41. GARY COOPER
42. GERALDINE PAGE
43. TOM HANKS (Apollo 13)
44. DEV PATEL
45. JOAQUIN PHOENIX
46. KURT RUSSELL
47. GRETA GARBO (Ninotchka)
48. TILDA SWINTON
49. MEL GIBSON
50. CHESTER MORRIS
51. SUSAN HAYWARD
52. JO VAN FLEET
53. BETTE MIDLER

54. His real-life roles included a 19th century dictator, a 20th century dictator, and a popular vaudeville and film comedian.
ROD STEIGER

55. MIA FARROW
56. BRIE LARSON
57. INGRID BERGMAN

58. He co-starred with Shirley Temple in her first three movies.
BILL ROBINSON? JAMES DUNN?

59. CLARK GABLE

60. He appeared in four adaptations of works by Charles Dickens, including his first two films.

61. ED BEGLEY (12 Angry Men)
62. LINDA HUNT
63. JAMIE FOXX
64. ISABELLE HUPPERT
65. ALAN ARKIN
66. GINGER ROGERS
67. MARLENE DIETRICH
68. STOCKARD CHANNING
69. JOAN CRAWFORD
70. MARGOT KIDDER
71. STERLING HAYDEN (Dr. Strangelove)
72. ANDREW McCARTHY
73. SIDNEY POITIER
74. GONG LI
75. JOHN MARLEY
76. JULIANNE MOORE
77. ANTHONY HOPKINS
78. JOHN HOUSEMAN
79. REGINA KING
80. RICHARD GERE
81. MERYL STREEP
82. BRUCE DERN
83. JIMMY STEWART
84. LILLIAN GISH
85. KATHERINE HEPBURN

[kroxquo]

I'll admit I looked it up. Apparently there was a silent film version of The Great Gatsby starring WARNER BAXTER.

[kroxquo]

10. At the age of fourteen, he made the first of seven films for the same renowned director – and the first of five playing the same character.

Could this maybe be Mickey Rooney in Andy Hardy films?

[Vandal]

10. At the age of fourteen, he made the first of seven films for the same renowned director – and the first of five playing the same character.

Could this maybe be Mickey Rooney in Andy Hardy films?

It’s not Rooney.

[kroxquo]

60. He appeared in four adaptations of works by Charles Dickens, including his first two films.

Alec Guinness was in the Albert Finney version of Christmas Carol and Dickens seems up his alley. Anyone recall any others he might have been in?

[mellytu74]

60. He appeared in four adaptations of works by Charles Dickens, including his first two films.

Alec Guinness was in the Albert Finney version of Christmas Carol and Dickens seems up his alley. Anyone recall any others he might have been in?

And it would fit with the Oscar winners/nominees list of answers

[Vandal]

Alec Guinness was also in Oliver Twist, Great Expectations and Little Doritt

[mrkelley23]

I've been noodling around the edges of this one, trying to find an entry, but haven't found it yet. The game title certainly suggests something to do with Oscars, but I haven't found any links yet. Margot Kidder is barely Oscar-adjacent. I think it must have something to do with movies they were in, rather than the actors themselves, but there's so many huge filmographies on this list, I'm not sure that's possible.

[kroxquo]

I've been noodling around the edges of this one, trying to find an entry, but haven't found it yet. The game title certainly suggests something to do with Oscars, but I haven't found any links yet. Margot Kidder is barely Oscar-adjacent. I think it must have something to do with movies they were in, rather than the actors themselves, but there's so many huge filmographies on this list, I'm not sure that's possible.

I was looking at Haing Ngor. Apart from his Oscar in The Killing Fields, his filmography is lackluster at best. His costars in it were Sam Waterston, John Malkovich, and Griffin Dunne - none of whom are on the list. I was looking at maybe other films set in Cambodia, other films featuring journalists, other actors with medical degrees and I'm getting nothing.

[Vandal]

It may have to do with the literal usage of envelopes, like opening the envelope at Oscar ceremony.


Linda Hunt presented Oscar to Hang S. Ngor
Walter Matthau presented Oscar to Glenda Jackson
Gary Cooper presented Oscar to Audrey Hepburn
MATTHEW McCONNAGHY presented Oscar to Julianne Moore
Alan Arkin presented Oscar to Tilda Swinton

there are probably more.

[jarnon]

It may have to do with the literal usage of envelopes, like opening the envelope at Oscar ceremony.


Linda Hunt presented Oscar to Hang S. Ngor
Walter Matthau presented Oscar to Glenda Jackson
Gary Cooper presented Oscar to Audrey Hepburn
MATTHEW McCONNAGHY presented Oscar to Julianne Moore
Alan Arkin presented Oscar to Tilda Swinton

there are probably more.

I thought of this last week and couldn’t find matches, even for actors with many Oscars like Maggie Smith. I must have done a poor job. Or I was too limited, assuming the previous year’s best supporting actor always presented best supporting actress and so on.

[Vandal]

Joaquin Phoenix presented Oscar to Anthony Hopkins

This could all be coincidence. There are way too many non-winners for this to be it. Also on the list are Oscar winners whose presenters are not on the list, nor are the next year's winners to whom they presented.

Brie Larsen, for example. Eddie Redmayne and Casey Affleck

Let's keep looking.

[franktangredi]

Don't waste time going in this direction. I wouldn't expect people to know who presented Oscars.

Some valuable things were said before this, though,.

It may have to do with the literal usage of envelopes, like opening the envelope at Oscar ceremony.


Linda Hunt presented Oscar to Hang S. Ngor
Walter Matthau presented Oscar to Glenda Jackson
Gary Cooper presented Oscar to Audrey Hepburn
MATTHEW McCONNAGHY presented Oscar to Julianne Moore
Alan Arkin presented Oscar to Tilda Swinton

there are probably more.

[kroxquo]

With John Houseman's Challenge out to us, I'm posting another Consolidation Update

1. MAGGIE SMITH
2. CILLIAN MURPHY
4. MICHAEL KEATON
5. AUDREY HEPBURN
6. JUDE LAW
7. GOLDIE HAWN
8. RICHARD HARRIS
9. EDMUND GWENN

10. At the age of fourteen, he made the first of seven films for the same renowned director – and the first of five playing the same character.

11. CHRISTOPH WALTZ
12. VIVIAN LEIGH
13. FOREST WHITAKER
14. WARNER BAXTER
15. DIANE KEATON
16. SIMONE SIGNORET
17. MATTHEW BRODERICK
18. HAING NGOR
19. AL PACINO
20. GLENDA JACKSON
21. HERBERT MARSHALL
22. BURL IVES
23. DUSTIN HOFFMAN
24. SAM SHEPHERD
25. SOARISE RONAN
26. ANNA MAGNANI
27. MICHAEL CAINE
28. MATTHEW McCONNAGHY
29. WALTER MATTHAU
30. JANET GAYNOR
31. BILL NIGHY
32. ALICE BRADY
33. MALCOLM McDOWELL
34. JEAN ARTHUR
35. ALBERT FINNEY
36. INGRID THULIN
37. BILL SKARSGARD
38. JOANNE WOODWARD
39. JOHN TRAVOLTA
40. RAY MILLAND
41. GARY COOPER
42. GERALDINE PAGE
43. TOM HANKS
44. DEV PATEL
45. JOAQUIN PHOENIX
46. KURT RUSSELL
47. GRETA GARBO
48. TILDA SWINTON
49. MEL GIBSON
50. CHESTER MORRIS
51. SUSAN HAYWARD
52. JO VAN FLEET
53. BETTE MIDLER
54. ROD STEIGER
55. MIA FARROW
56. BRIE LARSON
57. INGRID BERGMAN

58. He co-starred with Shirley Temple in her first three movies.
BILL ROBINSON? JAMES DUNN?

59. CLARK GABLE
60. ALEC GUINNESS
61. ED BEGLEY
62. LINDA HUNT
63. JAMIE FOXX
64. ISABELLE HUPPERT
65. ALAN ARKIN
66. GINGER ROGERS
67. MARLENE DIETRICH
68. STOCKARD CHANNING
69. JOAN CRAWFORD
70. MARGOT KIDDER
71. STERLING HAYDEN
72. ANDREW McCARTHY
73. SIDNEY POITIER
74. GONG LI
75. JOHN MARLEY
76. JULIANNE MOORE
77. ANTHONY HOPKINS
78. JOHN HOUSEMAN
79. REGINA KING
80. RICHARD GERE
81. MERYL STREEP
82. BRUCE DERN
83. JIMMY STEWART
84. LILLIAN GISH
85. KATHERINE HEPBURN

[kroxquo]

58. He co-starred with Shirley Temple in her first three movies.
BILL ROBINSON? JAMES DUNN?

I think needs some clarification. According to IMDB, Shirley's first three films (apart from an uncredited role) were War Babies, Red-Haired Alibi, and The Pie-Covered Wagon. None of them have anyone in common apart from her. Does Frank mean her first three films where she received top billing?

Shirley and James Dunn appeared in four films together in 1934 so I'd be more inclined to lean that way.

[Vandal]

I've been noodling around the edges of this one, trying to find an entry, but haven't found it yet. The game title certainly suggests something to do with Oscars, but I haven't found any links yet. Margot Kidder is barely Oscar-adjacent. I think it must have something to do with movies they were in, rather than the actors themselves, but there's so many huge filmographies on this list, I'm not sure that's possible.

I think these are the “valuable things” Frank was alluding to.

Let’s make John Houseman proud and figure this out.

[kroxquo]

Just for the heck of it, I broke the list into three parts to see if this jostles anything for anyone

OSCAR WINNERS FOR ACTING
1. MAGGIE SMITH
2. CILLIAN MURPHY
3. LIONEL BARRYMORE
5. AUDREY HEPBURN
7. GOLDIE HAWN
9. EDMUND GWENN

10. At the age of fourteen, he made the first of seven films for the same renowned director – and the first of five playing the same character.
JEAN-PIERRE LEAUD

11. CHRISTOPH WALTZ
12. VIVIAN LEIGH
13. FOREST WHITAKER
14. WARNER BAXTER
15. DIANE KEATON
16. SIMONE SIGNORET
18. HAING NGOR
19. AL PACINO
20. GLENDA JACKSON
22. BURL IVES
23. DUSTIN HOFFMAN
26. ANNA MAGNANI
27. MICHAEL CAINE
28. MATTHEW McCONNAGHY
29. WALTER MATTHAU
30. JANET GAYNOR
32. ALICE BRADY
38. JOANNE WOODWARD
40. RAY MILLAND
41. GARY COOPER
42. GERALDINE PAGE
43. TOM HANKS
45. JOAQUIN PHOENIX
48. TILDA SWINTON
51. SUSAN HAYWARD
52. JO VAN FLEET
54. ROD STEIGER
56. BRIE LARSON
57. INGRID BERGMAN
58. JAMES DUNN?
59. CLARK GABLE
60. ALEC GUINNESS
61. ED BEGLEY
62. LINDA HUNT
63. JAMIE FOXX
65. ALAN ARKIN
66. GINGER ROGERS
67. MARLENE DIETRICH
69. JOAN CRAWFORD
73. SIDNEY POITIER
76. JULIANNE MOORE
77. ANTHONY HOPKINS
78. JOHN HOUSEMAN
79. REGINA KING
81. MERYL STREEP
83. JIMMY STEWART
85. KATHERINE HEPBURN
53 Names

OSCAR NOMINATED ACTORS W/O A WIN
4. MICHAEL KEATON
6. JUDE LAW
8. RICHARD HARRIS
24. SAM SHEPHERD
25. SOARISE RONAN
31. BILL NIGHY
34. JEAN ARTHUR
35. ALBERT FINNEY
39. JOHN TRAVOLTA
44. DEV PATEL
47. GRETA GARBO
50. CHESTER MORRIS
53. BETTE MIDLER
64. ISABELLE HUPPERT
68. STOCKARD CHANNING
75. JOHN MARLEY
82. BRUCE DERN
84. LILLIAN GISH
17 Names

NEVER NOMINATED FOR AN OSCAR

17. MATTHEW BRODERICK
21. HERBERT MARSHALL
33. MALCOLM McDOWELL
36. INGRID THULIN
37. BILL SKARSGARD
46. KURT RUSSELL
49. MEL GIBSON* (Won an Oscar for direction but never nominated for acting)
55. MIA FARROW
70. MARGOT KIDDER
71. STERLING HAYDEN
72. ANDREW McCARTHY
74. GONG LI
80. RICHARD GERE
13 NAMES


I have no idea if this helps or not. I'm just spit balling.

[kroxquo]

10. At the age of fourteen, he made the first of seven films for the same renowned director – and the first of five playing the same character.

It took some digging, but I found it -

JEAN-PIERRE LEAUD