Ear, c'mon now.earendel wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:44 amWhat does either of these articles, which are about "wokeness", have to do with the discussion? All they discuss is the use of gender pronouns and such, not abortion.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:06 pmhttps://amastyleinsider.com/2022/08/31/ ... ge-update/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... -goes-woke
Now, on the subject of not bothering to read posts....
Who represents the baby in this 'medical procedure'? Why do you ignore that question?
I am talking about abortion, SSS is deflecting as he always does, finding an article by so-called experts to disparage Pro Life groups. His 'experts' are fully invested in the leftist woke narrative. An erstwhile scientific group aligning itself in the effort to redefine sex and gender? Advocating hormone therapy and surgery for minors? What ever happened to the Hippocratic oath?
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/p ... r-children... For gender diverse individuals, standards of care and accepted medically necessary services that affirm gender or treat gender dysphoria may include mental health counseling, non-medical social transition, gender-affirming hormone therapy, and/or gender-affirming surgeries. Clinical guidelines established by professional medical organizations for the care of minors promote these supportive interventions based on the current evidence and that enable young people to explore and live the gender that they choose...
The AMA is obviously biased in this question. All the lefties here are adamant that the Pro-Life centers are liars. PP has been shown conclusively to lie, mislead and hide what they do behind an image they market to the public. https://youtu.be/Bo0oYCaLbrg PP was founded on the foundation of eugenics and exterminating the black race. https://nypost.com/2020/07/22/planned-p ... fic-bigot/ I do not consider them a credible 'source' for any information. They are very motivated to discredit any entity that opposes them, and they want to divert the conversation to their terms. I want to be real.
The only reason this is in the discussion is because of SSS's diversion from the main topic. A baby is a human life once conceived. And that conception, in the vast majority of cases, is a result of a decision made by two people that could result in a human life. The question is: Are these two people responsible for their decision, or are they automatically considered irresponsible? My point is that an abortion is not just between the mother and the doctor. The child is involved. And so is the father if you want to go there. My question, that everyone is avoiding, is WHO REPRESENTS THE INTEREST OF THE CHILD?
My view is that the pro-abortion side needs to recognize that what they call a 'fetus' or a 'group of cells' is a valid human being. That if left to its natural course without intervention will become a fully functioning human being. In any other situation, this intervention we call abortion would be considered a murder. All of us went through this natural process. And the baby's interests need to be part of the equation.