Trump indicted again

[silverscreenselect]

What you have is the OPINION of mostly partisan judges and lawyers who do not understand or care to examine the evidence presented to them, or do not want to jeopardize their careers by ruling on a controversial subject.

60 judges examined the evidence presented to them and found it lacking. Of course, they didn't have the benefit in hindsight of all we learned from the treasure trove of data released in Operation Dumbo Drop.

And to base an indictment on what you THINK Trump knew or didn't know? That is completely bonkers. No one can possibly know that.

It may surprise you to know that judges and juries make decisions based on their determination of a person's knowledge or lack thereof all the time.

[Weyoun]

The “election was stolen” argument is basically a racist trope - there has never been any proof of any illegality or substantial vote manufacturing or what have you. There were never 2000 mules.

When you pin these folks down, their argument is “well city X suddenly reported a lot more votes for Biden,” and that means “we don’t think any of black people are actually motivated to vote, wink wink, so there must be fraud.”

It is filthy and racist of them, besides not being substantiated by facts.

[Bob78164]

The “election was stolen” argument is basically a racist trope - there has never been any proof of any illegality or substantial vote manufacturing or what have you. There were never 2000 mules.

When you pin these folks down, their argument is “well city X suddenly reported a lot more votes for Biden,” and that means “we don’t think any of black people are actually motivated to vote, wink wink, so there must be fraud.”

It is filthy and racist of them, besides not being substantiated by facts.

Moreover, even if Donny honestly believed there was fraud (he didn't), that still wouldn't justify his conspiracy to manufacture, submit, and have counted fake electoral votes. --Bob

[Beebs52]

The “election was stolen” argument is basically a racist trope -

Are you serious? Probably all elections have been suspect. How old are you?
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/12/16 ... o-illinois

[Weyoun]

The “election was stolen” argument is basically a racist trope -

Are you serious? Probably all elections have been suspect. How old are you?
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/12/16 ... o-illinois

I am referring to the 2020 presidential election. I hear the 1876 election was controversial, too, but not relevant to this.

[Beebs52]

The “election was stolen” argument is basically a racist trope -

Are you serious? Probably all elections have been suspect. How old are you?
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/12/16 ... o-illinois

I am referring to the 2020 presidential election. I hear the 1876 election was controversial, too, but not relevant to this.

So you think both sides are equally corrupt in some way, thus negating any high ground?

[Beebs52]

And Biden is cool on everything thus negating any of of his bs?

[flockofseagulls104]

So, you want proof?
OK.
I have shared that I have decided to get involved, and that I am a database guy. While I couldn't get a hold of the pertinent 2000 Mules data, which is understandable because of all the leftist lawyers who would sue TTV if they released it, I have access to other data now.

I am being trained on a tool to help clean up our voter roll. I am in a little precinct in the Atlanta area. On my first day of working with this tool, I have found over 60 voter registrations in my little neighborhood that should not be on the voter roll. Most of them are illegal. We will be submitting these, and probably many more to our BOE. Many, if not most of them, have voted from 2020 to the present.

If you don't believe me, because I am conservative and therefore automatically a liar, you can go to the Georgia Secretary of States website and purchase the voter roll of DeKalb County GA for $50. If you do so, I will give you some addresses to research on your own. If we can find over 60 fraudulent voter registrations in one day within 3-4 miles of my house, just imagine how many there are in Georgia as a whole.

As an example, it is illegal to register to vote using a Post Office Box as your residence address. If it were legal, anyone from any state could go and get a PO box in my county and register to vote with it. Well, we have found dozens of people at just two addresses we examined and went to. One is a UPS Store and another a Mail Center. Some of them list their APARTMENT NUMBER as Apt XXX, when all they have there is a box. Unless they are very tiny people, I doubt they live there. Love to see the listing in Zillow. .5 Square Feet. There are several other fraudulent registrations we have found. And this is just one day in a small area.

For you people who buy the idea that our elections are 'The Most Secure in history', you are disturbingly willfully ignorant. I have been to many zoom meetings and watched the presentations of many people who have testified before these 'judges' who are deciding whether the elections are 'valid'. I can understand the technical issues they present and they are very convincing to me. I ask myself, trying to be impartial, "How can anyone ignore what's being presented?" But they do. I don't know any case in those 60+ cases that trollboy likes to cite where they have gone any further than listen to presentations before they made their rulings. I don't know of any cases where they've actually gone further and examined the evidence in detail. I have been told that one of the major areas of vulnerability to election fraud is the absolutely disgusting shape our voter rolls are in. That is why I am lending my time and expertise to clean them up. Georgia's voter roll, which I have several copies of, is abominably bad. If I was the Database Administrator for any legitimate business (which I have been) and my database was as fraught with control characters, data in the wrong columns, duplicate unique IDs (Voter Registration numbers) and constantly changing column names and data values from month to month, I would have been summarily fired. For such an important database to be in the shape it's in is inexcusable. And trollboy's hero, Raffensberger, was recently quoted as saying 'Georgia's voter roll is the cleanest in the country'. Woe is us.

[tlynn78]

Wait, wait, wait... suspicion of voter fraud is RACIST???!!
Day-um. Somebody better tell Stacey Abrams.

[silverscreenselect]

As an example, it is illegal to register to vote using a Post Office Box as your residence address. If it were legal, anyone from any state could go and get a PO box in my county and register to vote with it. Well, we have found dozens of people at just two addresses we examined and went to. One is a UPS Store and another a Mail Center. Some of them list their APARTMENT NUMBER as Apt XXX, when all they have there is a box.

As usual Flock is wrong. The legal requirements for registering to vote in Georgia are US citizenship, resident of the county in which you register, at least 17 1/2 to register (18 to vote), not convicted of a felony, and not found mentally incompetent by a judge. Nothing in there about using a UPS box. And if you think that there's lots of people from Montana coming down to Georgia to fill out a registration form and vote in DeKalb County, the person has to supply their Georgia Drivers License or ID number. (and show photo ID when they show up to vote).

Many of the "challenged" registrations are simply cases in which people have moved, died, or whatever, and the registration process has not caught up. If I move today, I'm probably not going to change my voter registration until closer to the election. Other challenged registrations are homeless people. Others make mistakes like listing SW instead of SE as part of their street name. Still others are those who simply didn't realize that a UPS box doesn't count as a residential address. Most of those can be easily cured if the people are notified of their mistake.

Here's an article showing how the Georgia registration challenge process is being abused by people like Flock. One man filed 31,500 challenges to the 2022 election. Of the 100,000 challenges that ProPublica tracked in 30 counties (89,000 filed by six individuals), including the 20 most populous, only 2,350 resulted in people being removed from the rolls and another 8,700 were placed in a provisional ballot status. Keep in mind that many of those removed from the rolls had moved, or died and wouldn't have been voting at their "residential address" under any circumstances.

Even some voters who managed to remain on the rolls were still forced by challenges to fight to remain registered. In Fulton County, which encompasses most of Atlanta, an immunosuppressed cancer patient had to drive nearly two hours round-trip to a crowded hearing to defend his right to vote. At the same proceeding, a Black woman likened her challenge to voter intimidation.

ProPublica did find that challenges sometimes identified errors in the voter rolls, which are dauntingly complex databases that are forever evolving as people register, move, die or otherwise change their statuses. Many of these corrections would have happened anyway in the routine maintenance process, officials said and records showed, though sometimes at a pace slower than if activists submitted challenges.

“If all these challengers are finding is inconsequential errors that do not affect election results on the whole, but they’re placing real and harmful burdens on voters, then you have to wonder why they’re really doing this,” said Derek Clinger, a senior staff attorney with the State Democracy Research Initiative at the University of Wisconsin Law School. “It’s doing more harm than good.”

https://www.propublica.org/article/righ ... challenges

[flockofseagulls104]

Official Code of Georgia Annotated
TITLE 21 Elections (Chs. 1 — 5)CHAPTER 2 Elections and Primaries Generally (Arts. 1 — 15)
Article 6 Registration of Voters (§§ 21-2-210 — 21-2-236)

21-2-217. Rules for determining residence.
(a) In determining the residence of a person desiring to register to vote or to qualify to run for elective office, the following rules shall be followed so far as they are applicable:
(1) The residence of any person shall be held to be in that place in which such person’s habitation is fixed, without any present intention of removing therefrom;

As far as I know, nobody establishes their fixed habitation at a UPS store. And it is against the Code of Georgia for someone to use a PO Box or a business address where they do not live as their voter residence address.

And I gave just ONE example.

Trollboy, as usual, is only interested in saying I am wrong as quickly as possible without knowing shit about anything.

[wbtravis007]

So, you want proof?
OK.
I have shared that I have decided to get involved, and that I am a database guy. While I couldn't get a hold of the pertinent 2000 Mules data, which is understandable because of all the leftist lawyers who would sue TTV if they released it, I have access to other data now.

I am being trained on a tool to help clean up our voter roll. I am in a little precinct in the Atlanta area. On my first day of working with this tool, I have found over 60 voter registrations in my little neighborhood that should not be on the voter roll. Most of them are illegal. We will be submitting these, and probably many more to our BOE. Many, if not most of them, have voted from 2020 to the present.

If you don't believe me, because I am conservative and therefore automatically a liar, you can go to the Georgia Secretary of States website and purchase the voter roll of DeKalb County GA for $50. If you do so, I will give you some addresses to research on your own. If we can find over 60 fraudulent voter registrations in one day within 3-4 miles of my house, just imagine how many there are in Georgia as a whole.

As an example, it is illegal to register to vote using a Post Office Box as your residence address. If it were legal, anyone from any state could go and get a PO box in my county and register to vote with it. Well, we have found dozens of people at just two addresses we examined and went to. One is a UPS Store and another a Mail Center. Some of them list their APARTMENT NUMBER as Apt XXX, when all they have there is a box. Unless they are very tiny people, I doubt they live there. Love to see the listing in Zillow. .5 Square Feet. There are several other fraudulent registrations we have found. And this is just one day in a small area.

For you people who buy the idea that our elections are 'The Most Secure in history', you are disturbingly willfully ignorant. I have been to many zoom meetings and watched the presentations of many people who have testified before these 'judges' who are deciding whether the elections are 'valid'. I can understand the technical issues they present and they are very convincing to me. I ask myself, trying to be impartial, "How can anyone ignore what's being presented?" But they do. I don't know any case in those 60+ cases that trollboy likes to cite where they have gone any further than listen to presentations before they made their rulings. I don't know of any cases where they've actually gone further and examined the evidence in detail. I have been told that one of the major areas of vulnerability to election fraud is the absolutely disgusting shape our voter rolls are in. That is why I am lending my time and expertise to clean them up. Georgia's voter roll, which I have several copies of, is abominably bad. If I was the Database Administrator for any legitimate business (which I have been) and my database was as fraught with control characters, data in the wrong columns, duplicate unique IDs (Voter Registration numbers) and constantly changing column names and data values from month to month, I would have been summarily fired. For such an important database to be in the shape it's in is inexcusable. And trollboy's hero, Raffensberger, was recently quoted as saying 'Georgia's voter roll is the cleanest in the country'. Woe is us.

Are y’all working on cleaning up all of the rolls across the board, without regard to whether the problematic registrations are Democrats or Republicans or Independents, and that don’t involve selected areas where a demographic would be considered to skew one way or another?

If so, I’m fine with you trying to disenfranchise people because of errors when no voter fraud is suggested.

Maybe this work will take your mind off of your obsession about a letter signed by fifty or so people that you seem to consider to be some kind of a justification for the scheme — which has already been demonstrated and will be proven in court if a trial ever occurs— to disregard the election results and keep Trump in place.

[silverscreenselect]

As far as I know, nobody establishes their fixed habitation at a UPS store. And it is against the Code of Georgia for someone to use a PO Box or a business address where they do not live as their voter residence address.

The residence section of the Georgia election code provides rules to determine whether a person is a resident of Georgia or some other state, or DeKalb County or some other county, or the precinct where the UPS store is located versus some other precinct. It's not supposed to function as a gotcha to nab unwary applicants. There are procedures for verifying residence. If the local election board notices the discrepancy or if some eagle-eyed busybody like Flock challenges it, the person can remedy the problem by providing the evidence of the physical address, and the records will be updated. They can even do this by means of a provisional ballot on election day.

There is no widespread voter fraud in Georgia. I'm sure there are cases of people casting ballots in the name of a deceased relative or people voting in two places when they've moved. (In Georgia, if you register at your new address, the Secretary of State can require you to provide information that would allow the Secretary of State to notify your former address and cancel that registration.) But that's far from the massive systemic voter fraud that Flock is convinced about (and which Operation Dumbo Drop promised to provide but didn't.)

[Weyoun]

Flock is unsurprisingly example challenged.

As SSS points out, what you mention isn’t even odd.

Now if you had an example of a dead person, or an ineligible person, voting, or someone voting twice, that would actually be interesting. But you won’t lol.

[Bob Juch]

One must provide their driver's license or state ID number to register to vote in Arizona. When I moved here, I couldn't get a DL because they required a birth certificate. I applied to San Francisco for one, but they said they didn't have one on file. I had my original certificate, but it was destroyed in a flood in the 80s. I happened to discover I could have the State of California issue a birth certificate and got one, sent it to the DMV, got my DL, and was finally able to register to vote in 2018.

On another topic:

Two of my clients use software from a company called Precisely that does address checking using USPS data. The USPS updates addresses using change-of-address notifications. It seems to me that the county voter registration should cross-check using that data.

[flockofseagulls104]

Flock is unsurprisingly example challenged.

As SSS points out, what you mention isn’t even odd.

Now if you had an example of a dead person, or an ineligible person, voting, or someone voting twice, that would actually be interesting. But you won’t lol.

We found several dead people on the voter rolls. I found 3 in the current Voter Roll in just 15 minutes. One of whom, according to the data on the SOS voter roll, seems to have voted after they died. In June, there were 95 duplicate registration numbers on the roll. These numbers are supposed to be the unique identifier of the voter. A qualified database administrator would have made that column with a unique constraint since it is the primary key of the table. It would then be impossible to create a duplicate key. What kind of incompetents are managing this database?

You want to get a copy of the voter roll, I will give you specific examples you can look at yourself, doc. I will give you voter registration numbers of illegal voters. It is extremely difficult to be courteous to people like you and trollboy. You are just two examples of how this country is going down the tubes.

The Georgia code says you have to register to vote using the address you are living at. That is what the law says, and it is what the law means. You cannot live in a mailbox. Just try, doc, to submit your tax forms without any way of finding you in person. Let me ask you: Why are you and your representatives fighting tooth and nail in getting illegal voter registrations off the voter rolls? What possible purpose is there to having millions of ineligible voters on the voter rolls? Ponder that.

There are some exceptions. There are people who live in their RVs. They are faced with this issue, but they cannot register to vote with a PO Box. Look at some of the conversations in ESCAPEES.com. There are 3 states that they can use to get around this and none of them are Georgia.

All of these voter registrations using PO Boxes are invalid and illegal. That is a fact in Georgia. And it is pretty obvious that they are using them for fraud because they use the physical address of the UPS store and they put their address2 as 'Apartment xxx'. But don't address this fact. Talk about how stupid I am and use that to sweep the facts under the rug. That is how it is being done on a national level. For conservatives like Trump, they go by the letter of existing laws or laws that they make up out of nothing and find a crime to fit the targeted person. And then they talk about what a despicable, stupid person he is. But when it suits their purpose they find all kinds of semantic loopholes in the language of existing laws that they have broken that are very specific to normal, reasonable people. And, of course, they are as pure as snow.

[kroxquo]

Flock is unsurprisingly example challenged.

As SSS points out, what you mention isn’t even odd.

Now if you had an example of a dead person, or an ineligible person, voting, or someone voting twice, that would actually be interesting. But you won’t lol.

We found several dead people on the voter rolls. I found 3 in the current Voter Roll in just 15 minutes. One of whom, according to the data on the SOS voter roll, seems to have voted after they died. In June, there were 95 duplicate registration numbers on the roll. These numbers are supposed to be the unique identifier of the voter. A qualified database administrator would have made that column with a unique constraint since it is the primary key of the table. It would then be impossible to create a duplicate key. What kind of incompetents are managing this database?

You want to get a copy of the voter roll, I will give you specific examples you can look at yourself, doc. I will give you voter registration numbers of illegal voters. It is extremely difficult to be courteous to people like you and trollboy. You are just two examples of how this country is going down the tubes.

The Georgia code says you have to register to vote using the address you are living at. That is what the law says, and it is what the law means. You cannot live in a mailbox. Just try, doc, to submit your tax forms without any way of finding you in person. Let me ask you: Why are you and your representatives fighting tooth and nail in getting illegal voter registrations off the voter rolls? What possible purpose is there to having millions of ineligible voters on the voter rolls? Ponder that.

There are some exceptions. There are people who live in their RVs. They are faced with this issue, but they cannot register to vote with a PO Box. Look at some of the conversations in ESCAPEES.com. There are 3 states that they can use to get around this and none of them are Georgia.

All of these voter registrations using PO Boxes are invalid and illegal. That is a fact in Georgia. And it is pretty obvious that they are using them for fraud because they use the physical address of the UPS store and they put their address2 as 'Apartment xxx'. But don't address this fact. Talk about how stupid I am and use that to sweep the facts under the rug. That is how it is being done on a national level. For conservatives like Trump, they go by the letter of existing laws or laws that they make up out of nothing and find a crime to fit the targeted person. And then they talk about what a despicable, stupid person he is. But when it suits their purpose they find all kinds of semantic loopholes in the language of existing laws that they have broken that are very specific to normal, reasonable people. And, of course, they are as pure as snow.

OK, assuming your findings are accurate (and I have no reason to think they aren't), I have a few questions that are not intended to provoke but to clarify.
You mentioned that you are being trained on a tool to clean up voter rolls. Is this in an official capacity working for the county or a private endeavor?

Are you (meaning the group you are working with, not you individually) verifying at the entire voter roll or just what looks questionable, and if that is the case, who is deciding what is questionable?

Are you looking at all registered voters or narrowing only on the Democratic side?

Are you finding patterns among affiliation registrations about irregularities and if so, what are the numbers?

What you are describing seems like poor record keeping and not a coordinated plot to undermine the totals. Not to downplay the seriousness of keeping accurate voting records, but what evidence do you have that this is part of a larger plot and not just bureaucratic snafus?

[silverscreenselect]

Of course there are dead people on the voter rolls. A person could have validly registered in 2018 and died any time after that and still be listed on the active voter rolls (There are almost 8 million registered Georgia voters as of the 2022 election.) Georgia has just purged almost 200,000 voters who have not voted recently or responded to attempts to contact them. Many activists claim the State is being too proactive in removing voters, but that's another issue. In addition, Georgia participates in ERIC, a multi-state database that shares voter registration information. That allows Georgia or any other participant to cancel a registration if they have information that the person has since registered somewhere else. 75,000 voter registrations in Georgia have been canceled this year because ERIC revealed the people had died or moved out of state. (Ironically, several other Republican-led states have pulled out of ERIC, citing various conspiracy theories.)

Even if you know somebody is dead, it's very difficult to vote for that person unless they are a relative or close friend. You have to provide picture ID when you show up to vote, and I doubt very many people can produce that ID for a bunch of strangers.

In a database with 8 million entries, you have to expect discrepancies and errors of this nature, and Georgia has been very proactive in keeping the rolls updated as much as possible. There will be clerical errors. If Flock wants to try to clean up the rolls, more power to him. But there is a big difference between a database that will always be to some extent inaccurate or outdated and people trying to vote fraudulently. It's not illegal to list a UPS box as your address; it's inaccurate, which is not the same thing. Just as it's inaccurate to transpose the last two digits of your zip code.

People can register to vote in Georgia either online or through the mail (or bringing in a registration card in person). I couldn't get to the page on the online registration form, so I can't see how it reads, but the paper registration form asks for the "Residence address House no. and street name." The next box is labeled Apt. No., so the person has no choice about how to describe it. On the next line, it asks for mailing address, if different from residence address, and then says "post office box or route." I can see how somebody might assume that their UPS box is the correct answer, especially when the form also requires the registrant to provide proof of residence, such as a "copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows your name and address." I know and Flock knows that doesn't include a UPS box, but people who get all their mail, including utility bills and government checks, at such an address might be confused.

In any event, the responsibility for verifying these registrations is with the county registrar. If they spot an error, they flag it and notify the voter, who has a chance to correct the information. The person registering is required to provide photo ID (which for most people is a drivers license or govt. ID card (non-drivers license). Then they have to show that ID against when they vote.

No one is denying that there are errors in an 8 million entry database. The State of Georgia makes continuous efforts to update that database using the best available information. That's a far cry from alleging that people are voting fraudulently in such numbers that might influence an election. When it comes to actual prosecutions for fraudulent registration or voting, you find the same handful of cases every election, usually divided between the parties.

[silverscreenselect]

Are you looking at all registered voters or narrowing only on the Democratic side?

In Georgia, there is no registration by party. You can show up on primary day and request a Democratic, Republican, or non-partisan ballot (which entitles you to vote for such things as judges and constitutional amendments only). There is no permanent record kept of which ballot you requested, only that you participated in the primary.

But...

They do keep records by sex and race. So someone could focus on white or black voters only.

[Weyoun]

That’s the rub! It is one thing to find someone at the wrong address, or listed in two counties. It’s another to state there was a vote that did not come from that person, or that there was an effort to group multiple non-votes together to change an election result.

[flockofseagulls104]

That’s the rub! It is one thing to find someone at the wrong address, or listed in two counties. It’s another to state there was a vote that did not come from that person, or that there was an effort to group multiple non-votes together to change an election result.

You people are disturbed. I am dealing with data. I do not think in terms of race or targeting a specific demographic, like you do. That is YOUR religion, not mine. I can be dispassionate and impartial, unlike you.

Aye, that's the other rub. Many people with deeper resources than I have, (but nothing in comparison to what the swamp and their willing acolytes have), have shown proof in many places that ballots (not necessarily votes) have been manipulated in enough volume to sway the races. I gave you one specific example. The problem is getting the right people to acknowledge it after the fact. And there are not many who have the cajones to do that. And the ones that do are smeared and censored mercilessly. Just like you have done to me and continue to do when I gave you the example of the censorship of Biden's laptop swaying the 2020 election.

We KNOW what has been happening. It is institutionalized. Highly skilled, intelligent and devoted people have reverse-engineered what has happened in the past several elections. It is difficult, because the governments involved, both state and federal, who are supposed to work for us refuse, in many cases, to release information that is OURS, or have destroyed it illegally.

There is absolutely no way with all the intentional complexities that have been built into our election system to come up with ONE TRUE result that everyone agrees is accurate. There are many fronts in this effort to restore integrity to the system. I have chosen one front to work on. To lessen the ammunition your pure as driven snow political cabal has to cast fake ballots. There are many other people working on other fronts. But wonderful politicians, on both sides (or one Uniparty) are invested in obscuring and keeping the election system out of focus in order to have the ability to manipulate the end results. To paraphrase Stalin (or whoever): It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes.

[silverscreenselect]

That’s the rub! It is one thing to find someone at the wrong address, or listed in two counties. It’s another to state there was a vote that did not come from that person, or that there was an effort to group multiple non-votes together to change an election result.

You people are disturbed. I am dealing with data. I do not think in terms of race or targeting a specific demographic, like you do. That is YOUR religion, not mine. I can be dispassionate and impartial, unlike you.

Aye, that's the other rub. Many people with deeper resources than I have, (but nothing in comparison to what the swamp and their willing acolytes have), have shown proof in many places that ballots (not necessarily votes) have been manipulated in enough volume to sway the races. I gave you one specific example. The problem is getting the right people to acknowledge it after the fact. And there are not many who have the cajones to do that. And the ones that do are smeared and censored mercilessly. Just like you have done to me and continue to do when I gave you the example of the censorship of Biden's laptop swaying the 2020 election.

We KNOW what has been happening. It is institutionalized. Highly skilled, intelligent and devoted people have reverse-engineered what has happened in the past several elections. It is difficult, because the governments involved, both state and federal, who are supposed to work for us refuse, in many cases, to release information that is OURS, or have destroyed it illegally.

There is absolutely no way with all the intentional complexities that have been built into our election system to come up with ONE TRUE result that everyone agrees is accurate. There are many fronts in this effort to restore integrity to the system. I have chosen one front to work on. To lessen the ammunition your pure as driven snow political cabal has to cast fake ballots. There are many other people working on other fronts. But wonderful politicians, on both sides (or one Uniparty) are invested in obscuring and keeping the election system out of focus in order to have the ability to manipulate the end results. To paraphrase Stalin (or whoever): It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes.

To sum up, no proof of systemic fraud. Evidence of the sort of discrepancies and inconsistencies you would expect to find in a database with 8 million entries, many of them several years old. No proof of any fraud except the handful of isolated cases of a single person voting for a deceased relative or in two different jurisdictions.

It's ironic that Flock told us a few posts ago that anyone can order the voter rolls for $50 and then says that the government refuses to release that information. The only entity that has refused to release any information is True the Vote in their infamous Operation Dumbo Drop, because once they milked Flock and the other suckers for all they could, they had nothing to release.

If you look at the ProPublica article I cited, they obtained data from 30 counties, including the 20 most populous. Georgia has 159 counties, but half of them have 25,000 or less total residents (not registered voters but total residents). So conservatively speaking, those 30 counties probably represent about 6 million registered voters. Of that number 11,000 voter challenges were upheld, either completely or sufficiently to require the voter to cast a provisional ballot. That is .2%. And that .2% doesn't represent the total number of invalid voters who attempted to vote; that was the total number of errors in the rolls for all reasons. And the election boards still gave 80% of them an opportunity to produce evidence of valid registration on election day.

Mistakes, yes. But relatively few considering the massive size of the database. Fraud, not even a hint of evidence.

[flockofseagulls104]

That’s the rub! It is one thing to find someone at the wrong address, or listed in two counties. It’s another to state there was a vote that did not come from that person, or that there was an effort to group multiple non-votes together to change an election result.

You people are disturbed. I am dealing with data. I do not think in terms of race or targeting a specific demographic, like you do. That is YOUR religion, not mine. I can be dispassionate and impartial, unlike you.

Aye, that's the other rub. Many people with deeper resources than I have, (but nothing in comparison to what the swamp and their willing acolytes have), have shown proof in many places that ballots (not necessarily votes) have been manipulated in enough volume to sway the races. I gave you one specific example. The problem is getting the right people to acknowledge it after the fact. And there are not many who have the cajones to do that. And the ones that do are smeared and censored mercilessly. Just like you have done to me and continue to do when I gave you the example of the censorship of Biden's laptop swaying the 2020 election.

We KNOW what has been happening. It is institutionalized. Highly skilled, intelligent and devoted people have reverse-engineered what has happened in the past several elections. It is difficult, because the governments involved, both state and federal, who are supposed to work for us refuse, in many cases, to release information that is OURS, or have destroyed it illegally.

There is absolutely no way with all the intentional complexities that have been built into our election system to come up with ONE TRUE result that everyone agrees is accurate. There are many fronts in this effort to restore integrity to the system. I have chosen one front to work on. To lessen the ammunition your pure as driven snow political cabal has to cast fake ballots. There are many other people working on other fronts. But wonderful politicians, on both sides (or one Uniparty) are invested in obscuring and keeping the election system out of focus in order to have the ability to manipulate the end results. To paraphrase Stalin (or whoever): It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes.

To sum up, no proof of systemic fraud. Evidence of the sort of discrepancies and inconsistencies you would expect to find in a database with 8 million entries, many of them several years old. No proof of any fraud except the handful of isolated cases of a single person voting for a deceased relative or in two different jurisdictions.

It's ironic that Flock told us a few posts ago that anyone can order the voter rolls for $50 and then says that the government refuses to release that information. The only entity that has refused to release any information is True the Vote in their infamous Operation Dumbo Drop, because once they milked Flock and the other suckers for all they could, they had nothing to release.

If you look at the ProPublica article I cited, they obtained data from 30 counties, including the 20 most populous. Georgia has 159 counties, but half of them have 25,000 or less total residents (not registered voters but total residents). So conservatively speaking, those 30 counties probably represent about 6 million registered voters. Of that number 11,000 voter challenges were upheld, either completely or sufficiently to require the voter to cast a provisional ballot. That is .2%. And that .2% doesn't represent the total number of invalid voters who attempted to vote; that was the total number of errors in the rolls for all reasons. And the election boards still gave 80% of them an opportunity to produce evidence of valid registration on election day.

Mistakes, yes. But relatively few considering the massive size of the database. Fraud, not even a hint of evidence.

OMG! ProPublica:

That's the muckraking brainchild of Herb and Marion Sandler, billionaire former mortgage bankers whose Golden West Financial Corp. allegedly targeted subprime borrowers with "pick-a-pay" mortgages that left negative-amortization dupes owing more after each payment.

These toxic assets were largely blamed for the collapse of Wachovia, which had the misfortune of buying Golden West in 2006 -- just before the subprime mortgage meltdown -- and was forced into a takeover by Wells Fargo two years later amid federal investigations of fraud.

The Sandlers came away from the Wachovia debacle without accusations of wrongdoing and with about $2.4 billion, of which $1.3 billion went into their family foundation, which in turn has pledged $10 million a year to fund ProPublica.

George Soros gave $250,000 in 2010, and his Open Society Institute's former vice president, Gara Lamarche, joined the board of directors, replacing Pew Charitable Trusts President Rebecca Rimel.

The Sandlers are relentlessly partisan, giving millions to the Democratic Party and its allies: $2.5 million to the MoveOn.org Voter Fund, $8.5 million to Citizens for a Strong Senate, and $2 million to the Center for American Progress, liberal think-tank of John Podesta, who led President-elect Barack Obama's transition team in 2008.

Big surprise.

You have no idea what you are talking about, but you talk about it a lot. Get out of your bubble every once in a while. It might do you some good. And try to get over your obsession with me.

[tlynn78]

You people are disturbed. I am dealing with data. I do not think in terms of race or targeting a specific demographic, like you do. That is YOUR religion, not mine. I can be dispassionate and impartial, unlike you.

Aye, that's the other rub. Many people with deeper resources than I have, (but nothing in comparison to what the swamp and their willing acolytes have), have shown proof in many places that ballots (not necessarily votes) have been manipulated in enough volume to sway the races. I gave you one specific example. The problem is getting the right people to acknowledge it after the fact. And there are not many who have the cajones to do that. And the ones that do are smeared and censored mercilessly. Just like you have done to me and continue to do when I gave you the example of the censorship of Biden's laptop swaying the 2020 election.

We KNOW what has been happening. It is institutionalized. Highly skilled, intelligent and devoted people have reverse-engineered what has happened in the past several elections. It is difficult, because the governments involved, both state and federal, who are supposed to work for us refuse, in many cases, to release information that is OURS, or have destroyed it illegally.

There is absolutely no way with all the intentional complexities that have been built into our election system to come up with ONE TRUE result that everyone agrees is accurate. There are many fronts in this effort to restore integrity to the system. I have chosen one front to work on. To lessen the ammunition your pure as driven snow political cabal has to cast fake ballots. There are many other people working on other fronts. But wonderful politicians, on both sides (or one Uniparty) are invested in obscuring and keeping the election system out of focus in order to have the ability to manipulate the end results. To paraphrase Stalin (or whoever): It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes.

To sum up, no proof of systemic fraud. Evidence of the sort of discrepancies and inconsistencies you would expect to find in a database with 8 million entries, many of them several years old. No proof of any fraud except the handful of isolated cases of a single person voting for a deceased relative or in two different jurisdictions.

It's ironic that Flock told us a few posts ago that anyone can order the voter rolls for $50 and then says that the government refuses to release that information. The only entity that has refused to release any information is True the Vote in their infamous Operation Dumbo Drop, because once they milked Flock and the other suckers for all they could, they had nothing to release.

If you look at the ProPublica article I cited, they obtained data from 30 counties, including the 20 most populous. Georgia has 159 counties, but half of them have 25,000 or less total residents (not registered voters but total residents). So conservatively speaking, those 30 counties probably represent about 6 million registered voters. Of that number 11,000 voter challenges were upheld, either completely or sufficiently to require the voter to cast a provisional ballot. That is .2%. And that .2% doesn't represent the total number of invalid voters who attempted to vote; that was the total number of errors in the rolls for all reasons. And the election boards still gave 80% of them an opportunity to produce evidence of valid registration on election day.

Mistakes, yes. But relatively few considering the massive size of the database. Fraud, not even a hint of evidence.

OMG! ProPublica:

That's the muckraking brainchild of Herb and Marion Sandler, billionaire former mortgage bankers whose Golden West Financial Corp. allegedly targeted subprime borrowers with "pick-a-pay" mortgages that left negative-amortization dupes owing more after each payment.

These toxic assets were largely blamed for the collapse of Wachovia, which had the misfortune of buying Golden West in 2006 -- just before the subprime mortgage meltdown -- and was forced into a takeover by Wells Fargo two years later amid federal investigations of fraud.

The Sandlers came away from the Wachovia debacle without accusations of wrongdoing and with about $2.4 billion, of which $1.3 billion went into their family foundation, which in turn has pledged $10 million a year to fund ProPublica.

George Soros gave $250,000 in 2010, and his Open Society Institute's former vice president, Gara Lamarche, joined the board of directors, replacing Pew Charitable Trusts President Rebecca Rimel.

The Sandlers are relentlessly partisan, giving millions to the Democratic Party and its allies: $2.5 million to the MoveOn.org Voter Fund, $8.5 million to Citizens for a Strong Senate, and $2 million to the Center for American Progress, liberal think-tank of John Podesta, who led President-elect Barack Obama's transition team in 2008.

Big surprise.

You have no idea what you are talking about, but you talk about it a lot. Get out of your bubble every once in a while. It might do you some good. And try to get over your obsession with me.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

[wbtravis007]

To sum up, no proof of systemic fraud. Evidence of the sort of discrepancies and inconsistencies you would expect to find in a database with 8 million entries, many of them several years old. No proof of any fraud except the handful of isolated cases of a single person voting for a deceased relative or in two different jurisdictions.

It's ironic that Flock told us a few posts ago that anyone can order the voter rolls for $50 and then says that the government refuses to release that information. The only entity that has refused to release any information is True the Vote in their infamous Operation Dumbo Drop, because once they milked Flock and the other suckers for all they could, they had nothing to release.

If you look at the ProPublica article I cited, they obtained data from 30 counties, including the 20 most populous. Georgia has 159 counties, but half of them have 25,000 or less total residents (not registered voters but total residents). So conservatively speaking, those 30 counties probably represent about 6 million registered voters. Of that number 11,000 voter challenges were upheld, either completely or sufficiently to require the voter to cast a provisional ballot. That is .2%. And that .2% doesn't represent the total number of invalid voters who attempted to vote; that was the total number of errors in the rolls for all reasons. And the election boards still gave 80% of them an opportunity to produce evidence of valid registration on election day.

Mistakes, yes. But relatively few considering the massive size of the database. Fraud, not even a hint of evidence.

OMG! ProPublica:

That's the muckraking brainchild of Herb and Marion Sandler, billionaire former mortgage bankers whose Golden West Financial Corp. allegedly targeted subprime borrowers with "pick-a-pay" mortgages that left negative-amortization dupes owing more after each payment.

These toxic assets were largely blamed for the collapse of Wachovia, which had the misfortune of buying Golden West in 2006 -- just before the subprime mortgage meltdown -- and was forced into a takeover by Wells Fargo two years later amid federal investigations of fraud.

The Sandlers came away from the Wachovia debacle without accusations of wrongdoing and with about $2.4 billion, of which $1.3 billion went into their family foundation, which in turn has pledged $10 million a year to fund ProPublica.

George Soros gave $250,000 in 2010, and his Open Society Institute's former vice president, Gara Lamarche, joined the board of directors, replacing Pew Charitable Trusts President Rebecca Rimel.

The Sandlers are relentlessly partisan, giving millions to the Democratic Party and its allies: $2.5 million to the MoveOn.org Voter Fund, $8.5 million to Citizens for a Strong Senate, and $2 million to the Center for American Progress, liberal think-tank of John Podesta, who led President-elect Barack Obama's transition team in 2008.

Big surprise.

You have no idea what you are talking about, but you talk about it a lot. Get out of your bubble every once in a while. It might do you some good. And try to get over your obsession with me.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

Brilliant analysis! As usual, lately.

I tell ya…

I have loved your good takes. I’ve seen quite a few through the years.

For me, though, the typical posts lately got old quite awhile ago.

I know, I know. You couldn’t care less , etc.

Still, though, I’m looking forward to substance again. The peanut gallery is way beneath you.