Are you saying that SST was denying the miracle of Jesus feeding the multitudes from only 5 loaves of bread and two fish? SST was comparing it to Woodstock? It is one of only two miracles told in all four Gospels. And reading all four, it is pretty clear that the only food there were the loaves and fishes the boy referenced in John had.SportsFan68 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:42 pmThis is what I was taught in Sunday School. Some in the multitude brought food, some didn't. SundaySchoolTeacher said that the miracle was that everybody who brought food shared. A very devout woman, SST believed that Jesus inspired that sort of behavior.earendel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:09 pm
Not to be pedantic, but if you read the accounts of the feeding of the 5000, nowhere does it say that anyone had any food other than the "lad" with five loaves and two fish. It's hardly a miracle if, after Jesus takes the loaves and fish and blesses it, everyone opens up their picnic baskets.
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Regardless, pretty sure Jesus didn't force those not attending to pay anything for the feeding of the 5000.BackInTex wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:15 pmAre you saying that SST was denying the miracle of Jesus feeding the multitudes from only 5 loaves of bread and two fish? SST was comparing it to Woodstock? It is one of only two miracles told in all four Gospels. And reading all four, it is pretty clear that the only food there were the loaves and fishes the boy referenced in John had.SportsFan68 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:42 pmThis is what I was taught in Sunday School. Some in the multitude brought food, some didn't. SundaySchoolTeacher said that the miracle was that everybody who brought food shared. A very devout woman, SST believed that Jesus inspired that sort of behavior.earendel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:09 pm
Not to be pedantic, but if you read the accounts of the feeding of the 5000, nowhere does it say that anyone had any food other than the "lad" with five loaves and two fish. It's hardly a miracle if, after Jesus takes the loaves and fish and blesses it, everyone opens up their picnic baskets.
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He considered charging the Pharisees but settled on the Sadducees, but they avoided paying.tlynn78 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:29 pmRegardless, pretty sure Jesus didn't force those not attending to pay anything for the feeding of the 5000.BackInTex wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:15 pmAre you saying that SST was denying the miracle of Jesus feeding the multitudes from only 5 loaves of bread and two fish? SST was comparing it to Woodstock? It is one of only two miracles told in all four Gospels. And reading all four, it is pretty clear that the only food there were the loaves and fishes the boy referenced in John had.SportsFan68 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:42 pm
This is what I was taught in Sunday School. Some in the multitude brought food, some didn't. SundaySchoolTeacher said that the miracle was that everybody who brought food shared. A very devout woman, SST believed that Jesus inspired that sort of behavior.
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If we're going to bring the Bible into this debate, perhaps it might be a good idea to see what it says.
Deuteronomy 15:1 - Every seventh year you shall grant a remission of debts. 2 And this is the manner of the remission: every creditor shall remit the claim that is held against a neighbor, not exacting it, because the Lord’s remission has been proclaimed. 3 Of a foreigner you may exact it, but you must remit your claim on whatever any member of your community owes you.
Matthew 6:12 - And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. (Yes, I know some translations use "trespasses", but the Greek word refers to a monetary or other obligation).
Deuteronomy 15:1 - Every seventh year you shall grant a remission of debts. 2 And this is the manner of the remission: every creditor shall remit the claim that is held against a neighbor, not exacting it, because the Lord’s remission has been proclaimed. 3 Of a foreigner you may exact it, but you must remit your claim on whatever any member of your community owes you.
Matthew 6:12 - And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. (Yes, I know some translations use "trespasses", but the Greek word refers to a monetary or other obligation).
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Deuteronomy goes on to say:earendel wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:49 amIf we're going to bring the Bible into this debate, perhaps it might be a good idea to see what it says.
Deuteronomy 15:1 - Every seventh year you shall grant a remission of debts. 2 And this is the manner of the remission: every creditor shall remit the claim that is held against a neighbor, not exacting it, because the Lord’s remission has been proclaimed. 3 Of a foreigner you may exact it, but you must remit your claim on whatever any member of your community owes you.
Matthew 6:12 - And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. (Yes, I know some translations use "trespasses", but the Greek word refers to a monetary or other obligation).
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She never said it wasn't a miracle.BackInTex wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 8:14 pmAre you saying that SST was denying the miracle of Jesus feeding the multitudes from only 5 loaves of bread and two fish? SST was comparing it to Woodstock? It is one of only two miracles told in all four Gospels. And reading all four, it is pretty clear that the only food there were the loaves and fishes the boy referenced in John had.SportsFan68 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:42 pmThis is what I was taught in Sunday School. Some in the multitude brought food, some didn't. SundaySchoolTeacher said that the miracle was that everybody who brought food shared. A very devout woman, SST believed that Jesus inspired that sort of behavior.earendel wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:09 pm
Not to be pedantic, but if you read the accounts of the feeding of the 5000, nowhere does it say that anyone had any food other than the "lad" with five loaves and two fish. It's hardly a miracle if, after Jesus takes the loaves and fish and blesses it, everyone opens up their picnic baskets.
The Woodstock comparison escapes me.
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