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Re: Communists Gonna Communist

#26 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:27 am

earendel wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:23 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
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Bob78164 wrote:
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Yeah bob. You would have to read it first and comprehend it before you could find anything.

bob, please refer to the timeline that is attached to the article. In that document the Capitol Police recorded the FACT that the DOD (a department under the command of President Trump) texted the Capitol Police Deputy Chief on Saturday Jan 2nd, asking them whether they want National Guard Soldiers for the Jan 6th event.

On Sunday Jan 3rd, the next entry says that they won't be requesting any National Guard soldiers at this time after consulting with Capitol Police - Chief of Police Steven Sund. The Capitol Police are fully under the command of the House Speaker, who would be Nancy Pelosi. BTW, Steven Sund resigned on Jan 16th.

Now I'm a skeptic. I suppose that the document linked to could be a wholesale fabrication from Russia. But I will give them more credibility than Politifact, which does not even mention this document and relies on the 'no evidence' bullshit and statements from those who would incriminate themselves if they were to admit they were offered National Guard help.

Now anything else you want to nit-pick? Seems pretty straightforward to me. But I'm not a lawyer who specializes in nit-picking and fogging up the truth when he (I'm sorry, THEY) have to defend lies.

You never stop, do you?
I have to agree with Bob on this one. It's apples and oranges as I see it. Politifact says that there is no evidence that the president personally offered National Guard troops and no evidence that Speaker Pelosi personally turned it down. The article you quote says that someone in DoD offered, and someone in the Capitol security apparatus turned it down. I don't doubt that the timeline in the article is correct, but it isn't the same thing.
Does D.C. have 20,000 National Guard troops? I doubt it.

The request for troops happened days before the planned "rally". No need for them was perceived. When the violence started, it was too late.
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Re: Communists Gonna Communist

#27 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:15 am

Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:27 am
earendel wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:23 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Thu Jun 09, 2022 1:40 pm

I have to agree with Bob on this one. It's apples and oranges as I see it. Politifact says that there is no evidence that the president personally offered National Guard troops and no evidence that Speaker Pelosi personally turned it down. The article you quote says that someone in DoD offered, and someone in the Capitol security apparatus turned it down. I don't doubt that the timeline in the article is correct, but it isn't the same thing.
Does D.C. have 20,000 National Guard troops? I doubt it.

The request for troops happened days before the planned "rally". No need for them was perceived. When the violence started, it was too late.
Well, apparently someone perceived the need.

Ear: Let's fall back on being literal here. National Guard was available and offered. The offer was refused. Where does the buck stop?
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I watched episode 1 of the 3rd impeachment attempt last night. A poorly produced melodrama IMO. The cliffhanger for episode 1: Any proof of their claims of 'insurrection' or 'coup'

What happened on Jan 6th was disgusting. The people who entered the US Capitol should face appropriate consequences for their actions. Those people do not represent me. I remember at the time thinking "Oh GOD. Don't do that!". It should NEVER have happened and should never happen again. But it was not a coup in any way shape or form. If it was intended to be, it was the worst planned and executed coup ever attempted. It was a riot. And it was inexcusable. And it should be treated as such.

But of course, the democrats can never waste a crisis. And so, the radical leftists and their accomplices in the media are all willing to exaggerate it by repeating the word 'insurrection' again and again and again WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that it was anything of the sort.

The 'select' committee was exactly that. The Chairman of the 'committee' (aka Star Chamber), Bennie Thompson, voted against the certification of the 2004 election and boycotted Trump's Inauguration. I believe every one of these people voted to impeach Trump both times. Is it any surprise that they are accusing Trump of trying to stage a 'coup'? And, it must be pointed out 'WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE'. Of course, they are going to have more episodes where they have an opportunity to present some kind of proof of their allegations, but carefully chosen and edited clips and sound bites are not proof. And there will be no one there to point out any holes or misinformation in their presentation because there is NOBODY on this committee to do it. IT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR AND INCREDIBLY PARTISAN AND DISGRACEFUL.

As much as the democrats and the media want to deny it, there is doubt about the 2020 election in the minds of a large percentage of the American people. The solution is not to riot about it. The solution is also not to ignore it and censor and insult those who have questions about it. The solution is also not to put together an extremely partisan 'committee hearing' and plaster it on all major media in prime time.
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Re: Communists Gonna Communist

#28 Post by BackInTex » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:17 am

Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:27 am
earendel wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:23 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Thu Jun 09, 2022 1:40 pm

I have to agree with Bob on this one. It's apples and oranges as I see it. Politifact says that there is no evidence that the president personally offered National Guard troops and no evidence that Speaker Pelosi personally turned it down. The article you quote says that someone in DoD offered, and someone in the Capitol security apparatus turned it down. I don't doubt that the timeline in the article is correct, but it isn't the same thing.
Does D.C. have 20,000 National Guard troops? I doubt it.

The request for troops happened days before the planned "rally". No need for them was perceived. When the violence started, it was too late.
Texas is the only state with over 21,000 NG troups. Pennsylvania is 2nd with 18,500. California is 3rd with 18,000. But troops could have been pulled from a number of states to get to that number.
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Re: Communists Gonna Communist

#29 Post by kroxquo » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:48 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:15 am
Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:27 am
earendel wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:23 am


Does D.C. have 20,000 National Guard troops? I doubt it.

The request for troops happened days before the planned "rally". No need for them was perceived. When the violence started, it was too late.
Well, apparently someone perceived the need.

Ear: Let's fall back on being literal here. National Guard was available and offered. The offer was refused. Where does the buck stop?
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I watched episode 1 of the 3rd impeachment attempt last night. A poorly produced melodrama IMO. The cliffhanger for episode 1: Any proof of their claims of 'insurrection' or 'coup'

What happened on Jan 6th was disgusting. The people who entered the US Capitol should face appropriate consequences for their actions. Those people do not represent me. I remember at the time thinking "Oh GOD. Don't do that!". It should NEVER have happened and should never happen again. But it was not a coup in any way shape or form. If it was intended to be, it was the worst planned and executed coup ever attempted. It was a riot. And it was inexcusable. And it should be treated as such.

But of course, the democrats can never waste a crisis. And so, the radical leftists and their accomplices in the media are all willing to exaggerate it by repeating the word 'insurrection' again and again and again WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that it was anything of the sort.

The 'select' committee was exactly that. The Chairman of the 'committee' (aka Star Chamber), Bennie Thompson, voted against the certification of the 2004 election and boycotted Trump's Inauguration. I believe every one of these people voted to impeach Trump both times. Is it any surprise that they are accusing Trump of trying to stage a 'coup'? And, it must be pointed out 'WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE'. Of course, they are going to have more episodes where they have an opportunity to present some kind of proof of their allegations, but carefully chosen and edited clips and sound bites are not proof. And there will be no one there to point out any holes or misinformation in their presentation because there is NOBODY on this committee to do it. IT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR AND INCREDIBLY PARTISAN AND DISGRACEFUL.

As much as the democrats and the media want to deny it, there is doubt about the 2020 election in the minds of a large percentage of the American people. The solution is not to riot about it. The solution is also not to ignore it and censor and insult those who have questions about it. The solution is also not to put together an extremely partisan 'committee hearing' and plaster it on all major media in prime time.
The OED of "insurrection" is "a violent uprising against an authority or government." If that is not what was occurring on January 6, then I don't what would be. A "coup" is defined as "a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government." By trying to overthrow the results of an election that was certified as valid and safe by the proper officials by (at best) dubious methods and violence could rise to the definition. The problem is that the 45th President was cagey enough to go right to the line but not cross it. I am sure he never met personally with the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or even had one or two degrees of separation with anyone who did. But throughout all of 2020, he raised doubts and stirred his acolytes into action with his words. That is why holding him directly responsible for what happened (as he should be) will be such a challenge.
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Re: Communists Gonna Communist

#30 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:59 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:15 am
As much as the democrats and the media want to deny it, there is doubt about the 2020 election in the minds of a large percentage of the American people. The solution is not to riot about it. The solution is also not to ignore it and censor and insult those who have questions about it. The solution is also not to put together an extremely partisan 'committee hearing' and plaster it on all major media in prime time.
A large percentage of the American people believe in leprechauns and Santa Claus, despite any evidence in support. And that's what the election-deniers don't have. They filed over 60 lawsuits, some with judges appointed by Trump, and lost every single time because they failed to present any credible evidence on their behalf. The justice system hasn't ignored the doubts raised about the election; instead, they have considered them over 60 times and found them lacking every single time.

And while you're claiming that the committee ignored some nebulous evidence of election fraud, which has yet to be shown in any proceeding, you seem afraid to allow them to pursue the attempts to subvert the election results through fake electors and other shenanigans that Trump's people pulled.

By the way, there were originally going to be several Republicans on the committee, chosen by Kevin McCarthy. He first named them and then decided to pull them. So don't claim it's a "partisan" committee (which still has two Republicans, one of whom was very vocal last night). If it's partisan, it was done at the choice of Kevin McCarthy in order to allow people like you to make claims of partisanship.
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Re: Communists Gonna Communist

#31 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:04 am

kroxquo wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:48 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:15 am
Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:27 am
Well, apparently someone perceived the need.

Ear: Let's fall back on being literal here. National Guard was available and offered. The offer was refused. Where does the buck stop?
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I watched episode 1 of the 3rd impeachment attempt last night. A poorly produced melodrama IMO. The cliffhanger for episode 1: Any proof of their claims of 'insurrection' or 'coup'

What happened on Jan 6th was disgusting. The people who entered the US Capitol should face appropriate consequences for their actions. Those people do not represent me. I remember at the time thinking "Oh GOD. Don't do that!". It should NEVER have happened and should never happen again. But it was not a coup in any way shape or form. If it was intended to be, it was the worst planned and executed coup ever attempted. It was a riot. And it was inexcusable. And it should be treated as such.

But of course, the democrats can never waste a crisis. And so, the radical leftists and their accomplices in the media are all willing to exaggerate it by repeating the word 'insurrection' again and again and again WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that it was anything of the sort.

The 'select' committee was exactly that. The Chairman of the 'committee' (aka Star Chamber), Bennie Thompson, voted against the certification of the 2004 election and boycotted Trump's Inauguration. I believe every one of these people voted to impeach Trump both times. Is it any surprise that they are accusing Trump of trying to stage a 'coup'? And, it must be pointed out 'WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE'. Of course, they are going to have more episodes where they have an opportunity to present some kind of proof of their allegations, but carefully chosen and edited clips and sound bites are not proof. And there will be no one there to point out any holes or misinformation in their presentation because there is NOBODY on this committee to do it. IT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR AND INCREDIBLY PARTISAN AND DISGRACEFUL.

As much as the democrats and the media want to deny it, there is doubt about the 2020 election in the minds of a large percentage of the American people. The solution is not to riot about it. The solution is also not to ignore it and censor and insult those who have questions about it. The solution is also not to put together an extremely partisan 'committee hearing' and plaster it on all major media in prime time.
The OED of "insurrection" is "a violent uprising against an authority or government." If that is not what was occurring on January 6, then I don't what would be. A "coup" is defined as "a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government." By trying to overthrow the results of an election that was certified as valid and safe by the proper officials by (at best) dubious methods and violence could rise to the definition. The problem is that the 45th President was cagey enough to go right to the line but not cross it. I am sure he never met personally with the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or even had one or two degrees of separation with anyone who did. But throughout all of 2020, he raised doubts and stirred his acolytes into action with his words. That is why holding him directly responsible for what happened (as he should be) will be such a challenge.
Trump raised concerns about the dangers of mail-in voting many months preceding the election. Many states, including mine and some, if not all, of the swing states, changed the rules for the 2020 election using the covid pandemic as an excuse. Many of the rules changes were of questionable legality. Many of these changes were invitations to election fraud. That's what Trump was arguing and was the main point of his objections to the 2020 election. What democrats label as 'dog whistles' are nothing but figments of their overactive imaginations.

There are extremists and violent people in our society. Because we are not a utopia and we will never be one. Those people who decided to storm the US Capitol with bad intent were extremists. They do not represent me, my values or the values of the vast majority of conservatives in this country, just as the actions of the violent antifa and BLM rioters do not represent YOUR values.
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Re: Communists Gonna Communist

#32 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:31 am

kroxquo wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:48 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 8:15 am
Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:27 am
Well, apparently someone perceived the need.

Ear: Let's fall back on being literal here. National Guard was available and offered. The offer was refused. Where does the buck stop?
----------------------
I watched episode 1 of the 3rd impeachment attempt last night. A poorly produced melodrama IMO. The cliffhanger for episode 1: Any proof of their claims of 'insurrection' or 'coup'

What happened on Jan 6th was disgusting. The people who entered the US Capitol should face appropriate consequences for their actions. Those people do not represent me. I remember at the time thinking "Oh GOD. Don't do that!". It should NEVER have happened and should never happen again. But it was not a coup in any way shape or form. If it was intended to be, it was the worst planned and executed coup ever attempted. It was a riot. And it was inexcusable. And it should be treated as such.

But of course, the democrats can never waste a crisis. And so, the radical leftists and their accomplices in the media are all willing to exaggerate it by repeating the word 'insurrection' again and again and again WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that it was anything of the sort.

The 'select' committee was exactly that. The Chairman of the 'committee' (aka Star Chamber), Bennie Thompson, voted against the certification of the 2004 election and boycotted Trump's Inauguration. I believe every one of these people voted to impeach Trump both times. Is it any surprise that they are accusing Trump of trying to stage a 'coup'? And, it must be pointed out 'WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE'. Of course, they are going to have more episodes where they have an opportunity to present some kind of proof of their allegations, but carefully chosen and edited clips and sound bites are not proof. And there will be no one there to point out any holes or misinformation in their presentation because there is NOBODY on this committee to do it. IT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR AND INCREDIBLY PARTISAN AND DISGRACEFUL.

As much as the democrats and the media want to deny it, there is doubt about the 2020 election in the minds of a large percentage of the American people. The solution is not to riot about it. The solution is also not to ignore it and censor and insult those who have questions about it. The solution is also not to put together an extremely partisan 'committee hearing' and plaster it on all major media in prime time.
The OED of "insurrection" is "a violent uprising against an authority or government." If that is not what was occurring on January 6, then I don't what would be. A "coup" is defined as "a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government." By trying to overthrow the results of an election that was certified as valid and safe by the proper officials by (at best) dubious methods and violence could rise to the definition. The problem is that the 45th President was cagey enough to go right to the line but not cross it. I am sure he never met personally with the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or even had one or two degrees of separation with anyone who did. But throughout all of 2020, he raised doubts and stirred his acolytes into action with his words. That is why holding him directly responsible for what happened (as he should be) will be such a challenge.
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Re: Communists Gonna Communist

#33 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:44 am

I don't want any more riots about anything.
But I do not want any more tainted elections. We need to examine the reasons why whatever percentage of Americans believe there was fraud perpetrated in the 2020 election, not ignore them. Fix the things that MAY be wrong and make it so we (And I mean EVERYBODY) can trust our election processes again.
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Re: Communists Gonna Communist

#34 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:13 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:44 am
I don't want any more riots about anything.
But I do not want any more tainted elections. We need to examine the reasons why whatever percentage of Americans believe there was fraud perpetrated in the 2020 election, not ignore them. Fix the things that MAY be wrong and make it so we (And I mean EVERYBODY) can trust our election processes again.
People believe there was fraud perpetrated in 2020 because they've bought into deliberate lies told by sources they trusted. No other reason.

And fixing things that MAY be (but actually aren't) wrong with our election system means, in practice, preventing people from voting who indisputably have the right to vote. That's not a price worth paying, particularly when the motivation is a cynical series of deliberate lies designed to keep a loser in power. --Bob
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Re: Communists Gonna Communist

#35 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:32 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:13 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:44 am
I don't want any more riots about anything.
But I do not want any more tainted elections. We need to examine the reasons why whatever percentage of Americans believe there was fraud perpetrated in the 2020 election, not ignore them. Fix the things that MAY be wrong and make it so we (And I mean EVERYBODY) can trust our election processes again.
People believe there was fraud perpetrated in 2020 because they've bought into deliberate lies told by sources they trusted. No other reason.

And fixing things that MAY be (but actually aren't) wrong with our election system means, in practice, preventing people from voting who indisputably have the right to vote. That's not a price worth paying, particularly when the motivation is a cynical series of deliberate lies designed to keep a loser in power. --Bob
How do you KNOW they are lies? YOU DON'T. You are only relying on what your echo chamber tells you. As I may well be. But there ARE SPECIFIC CONCERNS on ways our election system is vulnerable to fraud, whether those avenues were actually used or not. These are the things that must be fixed.
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#36 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:36 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:32 am
How do you KNOW they are lies? YOU DON'T. You are only relying on what your echo chamber tells you. As I may well be. But there ARE SPECIFIC CONCERNS on ways our election system is vulnerable to fraud, whether those avenues were actually used or not. These are the things that must be fixed.
I hope you're just as concerned about the ways in which our election system is subverted by a sitting president wanting a second term and a mob eager to do his bidding. But that's just political theater from the Democrats.

And Bob has the support of over 60 courts that came to the same conclusion he did. You have Dinesh D'Souza and his secret information.
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#37 Post by BackInTex » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:38 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:13 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:44 am
I don't want any more riots about anything.
But I do not want any more tainted elections. We need to examine the reasons why whatever percentage of Americans believe there was fraud perpetrated in the 2020 election, not ignore them. Fix the things that MAY be wrong and make it so we (And I mean EVERYBODY) can trust our election processes again.
People believe there was fraud perpetrated in 2020 2016 because they've bought into deliberate lies (Russia collusion) told by sources they trusted (MSM & Democratic Party). No other reason.

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#38 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:47 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:38 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:13 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:44 am
I don't want any more riots about anything.
But I do not want any more tainted elections. We need to examine the reasons why whatever percentage of Americans believe there was fraud perpetrated in the 2020 election, not ignore them. Fix the things that MAY be wrong and make it so we (And I mean EVERYBODY) can trust our election processes again.
People believe there was fraud perpetrated in 2020 2016 because they've bought into deliberate lies (Russia collusion) told by sources they trusted (MSM & Democratic Party). No other reason.

Fixed it for you.
Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 election. That's been proven.

Trump sought their help ("Russia, if you're listening). That's been proven.

What Mueller was unable to find to his satisfaction was proof of a meeting of the minds to that effect.
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#39 Post by BackInTex » Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:23 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:47 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:38 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:13 am
People believe there was fraud perpetrated in 2020 2016 because they've bought into deliberate lies (Russia collusion) told by sources they trusted (MSM & Democratic Party). No other reason.

Fixed it for you.
Trump sought their help ("Russia, if you're listening). That's been proven.
But what Biden threatened The Ukraine with, withholding $1billion unless they fired a proscecutor is a false narrative. Riiiiigggghhhhtttt.
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#40 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:38 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:47 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:38 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:13 am
People believe there was fraud perpetrated in 2020 2016 because they've bought into deliberate lies (Russia collusion) told by sources they trusted (MSM & Democratic Party). No other reason.

Fixed it for you.
Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 election. That's been proven.

Trump sought their help ("Russia, if you're listening). That's been proven.

What Mueller was unable to find to his satisfaction was proof of a meeting of the minds to that effect.
Russia gave money to the NRA who then gave it to the Republicans.
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#41 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:39 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:23 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:47 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:38 am


Fixed it for you.
Trump sought their help ("Russia, if you're listening). That's been proven.
But what Biden threatened The Ukraine with, withholding $1billion unless they fired a proscecutor is a false narrative. Riiiiigggghhhhtttt.
Yes, it is: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump ... d-ukraine/
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#42 Post by kroxquo » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:03 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:23 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:47 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:38 am


Fixed it for you.
Trump sought their help ("Russia, if you're listening). That's been proven.
But what Biden threatened The Ukraine with, withholding $1billion unless they fired a proscecutor is a false narrative. Riiiiigggghhhhtttt.
Just to be pedantic, calling it The Ukraine is offensive to Ukranians because it implies that it is not a distinct nation (as Russia believes). It's kind of like calling the capital city KEE-ev (the Russian pronunciation) rather than KEEV.
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#43 Post by silverscreenselect » Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:43 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:44 am
I don't want any more riots about anything.
But I do not want any more tainted elections. We need to examine the reasons why whatever percentage of Americans believe there was fraud perpetrated in the 2020 election, not ignore them. Fix the things that MAY be wrong and make it so we (And I mean EVERYBODY) can trust our election processes again.
While people like Flock are allowed to perpetuate the myth of the stolen election without any proof, there are real world consequences for some people for doing so: From CNN:
The attorney discipline arm of the DC Bar has brought a case against Rudy Giuliani for pushing unsubstantiated election fraud accusations in a Pennsylvania federal court on behalf of Donald Trump after the 2020 election. The disciplinary office filing, called a charge, further puts Giuliani's status as a lawyer in jeopardy. Giuliani had already been suspended from practicing law by the New York bar as that office also investigates his election fraud efforts on behalf of Trump in court.

In the new filing from the DC bar, Giuliani is accused of violating Pennsylvania's Rules of Professional Conduct. He did so, the filing said, in that he "brought a proceeding and asserted issues therein without a non-frivolous basis in law and fact for doing so" and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice." In the Pennsylvania case, the new disciplinary filings allege that Giuliani sought to "leverage the lawful rejection of two ballots by non-defendant counties into invalidating up to 1.5 million votes already counted." The DC Bar charges, filed by Disciplinary Counsel Hamilton Fox, allege that there was no "legal basis" for the constitutional claims Giuliani pursued in the Pennsylvania litigation.

The election challenge in question was a lawsuit filed days after the 2020 election in a Pennsylvania federal court on behalf of the Trump campaign. At oral arguments in the case, Giuliani claimed without evidence that the "best description of this situation is it's widespread, nationwide voter fraud of which this is a part." "The only place we have it happening en masse is in the Democrat -- heavily controlled counties that you can call counties controlled by a Democratic machine that have quite an impressive list of voter fraud convictions as part of their history and tradition. And all of the sudden, with this greater opportunity to do it, they did it on a grand scale," Giuliani said at the oral arguments, which were quoted in the new ethics charges from the DC Bar. The disciplinary filings said that Giuliani had "cited to the district court as a basis for his fraud allegations several sources that could not, as a categorical matter, prove that" the defendants in the Pennsylvania case had "committed or facilitated election fraud during the 2020 election."

Of the 300 affidavits Giuliani provided in the Pennsylvania case, the DC Bar charges said they were "(a) unsupported, (b) unrelated to Trump voters (c) involve conduct outside the seven Defendant Counties, and (d) by their own terms were isolated incidents that could not have affected the presidential election's results by offsetting the Biden majority of over 80,000 votes."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/politics ... index.html

There will be a hearing where Giuliani can respond to the charges. Bar associations take frivolous lawsuits seriously. Fortunately for Catherine Engelbrecht, she's not an attorney, so the complaint she filed with the Georgia State Elections Board won't get her in this degree of hot water. And we're still waiting on "Operation Ripcord," where we see all the evidence they have. And waiting. And waiting. And waiting.
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Re: Communists Gonna Communist

#44 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:35 pm

OH MY GAWD!

I am so shocked the that SELECTED clown committee on figuring out how to use the Jan 6th riots to their advantage has announced that they believe they have enough evidence to indict Trump on criminal charges!!!!!

Since that was their goal, who would have thought it? The same group of partisan hacks tried twice before to impeach and convict him, why not try again? The chief clown, Adam Shiffhead, is still waiting for the right time to release his ironclad proof of russian collusion, or whatever they want to call it. Maybe now would be the right time, Adam.....

I think our wanted-to-be Supreme Court injustice, Merrick Garland, might take him up on it for the chance to waste even more taxpayer money and create a new distraction from the democrat's failings and ineptitude and actually try it. I'm sure Shiftless has all the evidence they need somewhere.
Rep. Adam Schiff, California Democrat, has called on the Justice Department to “investigate any credible allegation of criminal activity on the part of Donald Trump.”
Wait, I thought they had all the evidence. Geez, they've spent a year trying to find stuff to justify their existe... I mean investigating. Why don't they just turn over their evidence to Garland and be done with it?

Maybe they could also investigate credible evidence of ballot trafficking, since it might be related in some way? NAHHHHH! Everybody who's anybody (and that's all that counts) says it was the most secure election in our entire history (Um... without any evidence).
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