Just Sayin....

[flockofseagulls104]

Fixed that for you.

By the way, David Perdue now claims that he didn't actually lose to Senator Ossoff. --Bob

You know, a large crowd like that and I'd wager every single one of them, even the ones that didn't go to law school or are not biologists, could define the word "woman".

And anti-vaxxer too.

Shit, Doc Weyoun won't even define it.

BTW I saw NOT ONE mask on anyone all day.

[silverscreenselect]

[earendel]

It all comes down to a matter of perception - those who want to see Biden as a senile old man will find evidence to support their claim. Those who want to see Trump not drawing huge crowds will find evidence for that claim. Arguing about it won't resolve anything because both sides will choose the facts that support their claim.

[kroxquo]

Gender has apparently been defined by a consensus of psychiatric 'experts' as fluid. But that was only fairly recently. Until 2013 they described it as a disfunction called gender dysphoria disorder. If you count psychiatry as a 'pure' science, I guess science can be adjusted for political correctness. Regardless of what surgeries or drugs a person of one sex does to try and change their GENDER, they will ALWAYS remain the SEX they were born as. That's science, like it or not.

No, science does not adjust for political correctness. It adjusts to new findings and data. That's what science is. Drapetomania was cited before the Civil War as a disorder to explain why slaves would want to be free and not remain happily in bondage. That term was still included in medical dictionaries as late as 1914. It wasn't until the 1950's that the American Psychiatric Association dropped the term "female hysteria" which had the symptoms of a normally functioning female reproductive system. The APA did not remove homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses until 1973. These are examples of science catching up to the data, not a caving in to societal norms.

As to your second point, I have a trans student in my high school freshman civics class. They have said much the same thing - there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex has to do with the biology of the reproductive system. Where they differ from you, is that Milo, who was born biologically a girl, is hard-wired in their brain to be a boy. They cannot help that their brain is telling them what gender they are any more than they can help how they were born biologically.

[flockofseagulls104]

Yes, he did.Which only goes to prove that your listening skills are on a par with your reading and thinking skills. --Bob

You and your source, of course, neglect to say he was talking about the consent degree Kemp and Roethlisberger unilaterally, without any consent from the legislature or anyone else, gave to The President of the Earth.

You have no idea about what you are talking about, sir. I suggest you stay in your own state's affairs.

Unlike you, I know the name of Georgia's Secretary of State. I'll give you a hint. He's never played quarterback for the Steelers.

And there's no room for ambiguity here. Contrary to what you claimed, Perdue explicitly said that his election was stolen as well as Donny's. What actually happened, of course, is that Senator Ossoff simply garnered more votes in Georgia (as did President Biden), so he won fair and square. But (like most Republicans) you're unwilling to admit that you were wrong so now you're doubling down.

The system worked the way it was supposed to, up to a point. Whoever gets the most votes is declared the winner. Thanks to Governor Kemp and Secretary of State Raffensperger, that part went as it was supposed to. The other candidates are then supposed to respect the will of the voters. That's not happening.

The Republican Party deserves to be electorally bulldozed because (as you are vividly illustrating) too many of its members are no longer willing to accept that any result other than their own victory can possibly be legitimate. That attitude is profoundly destructive to democracy. So on this issue, there is no such thing as staying in your own state's affairs. A willingness to ignore the will of the people when choosing candidates supervising federal elections affects all of us. And I will continue to put my money where my mouth is.

Thanks for motivating me to prioritize Georgia over some other potential races. --Bob

You know, bob, you and your comrades have NO PROBLEM accusing and believing that anyone you consider to be your opponents can concoct and execute amazingly complex schemes to advance their evil intents, and they can get gullible people like me to swallow it. But have you ever considered it's actually YOUR side doing it? Or do you believe the crowd that is shown in the video to be no more than 5000 people, as all your favorite news sources have dutifully reported?

[Bob78164]

The link you provided says "video not found." And since you've already lied once about what happened at the event, I'm sure as hell not taking your word for the attendance figures. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

And there's no room for ambiguity here. Contrary to what you claimed, Perdue explicitly said that his election was stolen as well as Donny's. What actually happened, of course, is that Senator Ossoff simply garnered more votes in Georgia (as did President Biden), so he won fair and square.

Well, bob, that is still up for debate, regardless of how strongly the MSM that is controlled by your political party demonizes those who even have a question about it.
True-The-Vote, for one, has gathered very compelling evidence of ballot harvesting, which is illegal in Georgia, if not in CA, that was used to influence the outcome of that election. How much effect it ultimately had remains to be seen, if it will ever be allowed to be found otu.
I would post the link, but I know you wont bother to read it.

[Bob78164]

And there's no room for ambiguity here. Contrary to what you claimed, Perdue explicitly said that his election was stolen as well as Donny's. What actually happened, of course, is that Senator Ossoff simply garnered more votes in Georgia (as did President Biden), so he won fair and square.

Well, bob, that is still up for debate, regardless of how strongly the MSM that is controlled by your political party demonizes those who even have a question about it.
True-The-Vote, for one, has gathered very compelling evidence of ballot harvesting, which is illegal in Georgia, if not in CA, that was used to influence the outcome of that election. How much effect it ultimately had remains to be seen, if it will ever be allowed to be found otu.
I would post the link, but I know you wont bother to read it.

Sixty court cases, some of which resulted in sanctions against Donny’s lawyers for bringing frivolous arguments, and some of which were thrown out of court by judges Donny himself appointed, say that it’s not still up for debate.

Your refusal to accept that the electorate disagreed with you, and the willingness of Republican politicians to feed the refusal to accept the result of the democratic process, make you Exhibit A in the case for the political destruction of the Republican Party. —Bob

[tlynn78]

And there's no room for ambiguity here. Contrary to what you claimed, Perdue explicitly said that his election was stolen as well as Donny's. What actually happened, of course, is that Senator Ossoff simply garnered more votes in Georgia (as did President Biden), so he won fair and square.

Well, bob, that is still up for debate, regardless of how strongly the MSM that is controlled by your political party demonizes those who even have a question about it.
True-The-Vote, for one, has gathered very compelling evidence of ballot harvesting, which is illegal in Georgia, if not in CA, that was used to influence the outcome of that election. How much effect it ultimately had remains to be seen, if it will ever be allowed to be found otu.
I would post the link, but I know you wont bother to read it.

I don't think Bobbo knows the meaning of 'explicit.' At the very least, he's guilty of misusing it, so I wouldn't lose much equanimity over his claims.

[BackInTex]

Gender has apparently been defined by a consensus of psychiatric 'experts' as fluid. But that was only fairly recently. Until 2013 they described it as a disfunction called gender dysphoria disorder. If you count psychiatry as a 'pure' science, I guess science can be adjusted for political correctness. Regardless of what surgeries or drugs a person of one sex does to try and change their GENDER, they will ALWAYS remain the SEX they were born as. That's science, like it or not.

No, science does not adjust for political correctness. It adjusts to new findings and data. That's what science is. Drapetomania was cited before the Civil War as a disorder to explain why slaves would want to be free and not remain happily in bondage. That term was still included in medical dictionaries as late as 1914. It wasn't until the 1950's that the American Psychiatric Association dropped the term "female hysteria" which had the symptoms of a normally functioning female reproductive system. The APA did not remove homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses until 1973. These are examples of science catching up to the data, not a caving in to societal norms.

As to your second point, I have a trans student in my high school freshman civics class. They have said much the same thing - there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex has to do with the biology of the reproductive system. Where they differ from you, is that Milo, who was born biologically a girl, is hard-wired in their brain to be a boy. They cannot help that their brain is telling them what gender they are any more than they can help how they were born biologically.

How is MIlo's brain different than, say, Shirley Mason's who's brain told her, and anybody that would listen, she was someone else, many someone elses? Or how about John Nash who's brain told him all men wearing red ties were part of a conspiracy against him. The fact that someone's brain is "telling" them something that is not true, does not make it true.

[silverscreenselect]

Or do you believe the crowd that is shown in the video to be no more than 5000 people, as all your favorite news sources have dutifully reported?

Among the "favorite news sources" who dutifully reported on the small size of the crowd was Erick Erickson, a conservative talk show host on WSB Radio here in Atlanta. I wonder if Flock considers him to be in the tank for Biden as well?

The Trump turnout on a Saturday in Georgia was anemic. That does not bode well for his slate of candidates. Not all the people there were from Georgia or even able to vote. And Perdue and the other candidates had to foot the bill. Oof.

[Bob78164]

Gender has apparently been defined by a consensus of psychiatric 'experts' as fluid. But that was only fairly recently. Until 2013 they described it as a disfunction called gender dysphoria disorder. If you count psychiatry as a 'pure' science, I guess science can be adjusted for political correctness. Regardless of what surgeries or drugs a person of one sex does to try and change their GENDER, they will ALWAYS remain the SEX they were born as. That's science, like it or not.

No, science does not adjust for political correctness. It adjusts to new findings and data. That's what science is. Drapetomania was cited before the Civil War as a disorder to explain why slaves would want to be free and not remain happily in bondage. That term was still included in medical dictionaries as late as 1914. It wasn't until the 1950's that the American Psychiatric Association dropped the term "female hysteria" which had the symptoms of a normally functioning female reproductive system. The APA did not remove homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses until 1973. These are examples of science catching up to the data, not a caving in to societal norms.

As to your second point, I have a trans student in my high school freshman civics class. They have said much the same thing - there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex has to do with the biology of the reproductive system. Where they differ from you, is that Milo, who was born biologically a girl, is hard-wired in their brain to be a boy. They cannot help that their brain is telling them what gender they are any more than they can help how they were born biologically.

How is MIlo's brain different than, say, Shirley Mason's who's brain told her, and anybody that would listen, she was someone else, many someone elses? Or how about John Nash who's brain told him all men wearing red ties were part of a conspiracy against him. The fact that someone's brain is "telling" them something that is not true, does not make it true.

Someone's brain telling them they're unhappy, or in pain, generally does make it true. And since laws are usually intended to address social issues, not scientific issues (albeit the solution to social issues is sometimes informed by scientific analysis), there is no reason for the law to insist on prolonging that pain. --Bob

[tlynn78]

No, science does not adjust for political correctness. It adjusts to new findings and data. That's what science is. Drapetomania was cited before the Civil War as a disorder to explain why slaves would want to be free and not remain happily in bondage. That term was still included in medical dictionaries as late as 1914. It wasn't until the 1950's that the American Psychiatric Association dropped the term "female hysteria" which had the symptoms of a normally functioning female reproductive system. The APA did not remove homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses until 1973. These are examples of science catching up to the data, not a caving in to societal norms.

As to your second point, I have a trans student in my high school freshman civics class. They have said much the same thing - there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex has to do with the biology of the reproductive system. Where they differ from you, is that Milo, who was born biologically a girl, is hard-wired in their brain to be a boy. They cannot help that their brain is telling them what gender they are any more than they can help how they were born biologically.

How is MIlo's brain different than, say, Shirley Mason's who's brain told her, and anybody that would listen, she was someone else, many someone elses? Or how about John Nash who's brain told him all men wearing red ties were part of a conspiracy against him. The fact that someone's brain is "telling" them something that is not true, does not make it true.

Someone's brain telling them they're unhappy, or in pain, generally does make it true. And since laws are usually intended to address social issues, not scientific issues (albeit the solution to social issues is sometimes informed by scientific analysis), there is no reason for the law to insist on prolonging that pain. --Bob

Right. That's why anyone suffering from 'alien hand syndrome' can walk into any doctor's office and get the offending appendage lopped off. Oh, wait...

[BackInTex]

How is MIlo's brain different than, say, Shirley Mason's who's brain told her, and anybody that would listen, she was someone else, many someone elses? Or how about John Nash who's brain told him all men wearing red ties were part of a conspiracy against him. The fact that someone's brain is "telling" them something that is not true, does not make it true.

Someone's brain telling them they're unhappy, or in pain, generally does make it true. And since laws are usually intended to address social issues, not scientific issues (albeit the solution to social issues is sometimes informed by scientific analysis), there is no reason for the law to insist on prolonging that pain. --Bob

Right. That's why anyone suffering from 'alien hand syndrome' can walk into any doctor's office and get the offending appendage lopped off. Oh, wait...

I guess Bob supports all the homeless with mental health issues to remain on the street. Just let them live out their issues without getting them help. Let's celebrate it!

[Bob78164]

Someone's brain telling them they're unhappy, or in pain, generally does make it true. And since laws are usually intended to address social issues, not scientific issues (albeit the solution to social issues is sometimes informed by scientific analysis), there is no reason for the law to insist on prolonging that pain. --Bob

Right. That's why anyone suffering from 'alien hand syndrome' can walk into any doctor's office and get the offending appendage lopped off. Oh, wait...

I guess Bob supports all the homeless with mental health issues to remain on the street. Just let them live out their issues without getting them help. Let's celebrate it!

You would say exactly the same thing about people in same-sex relationships because in your view such relationships are aberrant.

A large part of the "help" that the trans community needs is protection from bigotry like you're displaying, and from people who refuse to accept them for who they are and insist on trying to "cure" them. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

You would say exactly the same thing about people in same-sex relationships because in your view such relationships are aberrant.

You know: How dare you. You, again, have no idea what you are talking about. You showcase your own bigotry to even be able to say something like that. That's the main reason people of your ilk can't be reasoned with or even talked to. You are completely bigotted and you don't realize it. Shove that statement up your ass. I, for one, am not going to put up with that shit anymore.

[flockofseagulls104]

You frickin leftists control the universities and the media and you make up these terms like 'homophobe' and 'islamophobe' and 'microagressions' and crap like that just so you can use them to brand anyone who opposes you.

It's time we make up a term for people like you who do that and brand you with it. And it's time we push back on anyone who uses those terms for those purposes. Like you, bob, and you stalker.

Just a first try: Elitist- Bigotry, or e-bigotry for short.

[Bob78164]

You would say exactly the same thing about people in same-sex relationships because in your view such relationships are aberrant.

You know: How dare you. You, again, have no idea what you are talking about. You showcase your own bigotry to even be able to say something like that. That's the main reason people of your ilk can't be reasoned with or even talked to. You are completely bigotted and you don't realize it. Shove that statement up your ass. I, for one, am not going to put up with that shit anymore.

My comment was directed to BiT. If you think he doesn't have that view, then you haven't been paying attention to what he wrote, particularly when same-sex marriage was legalized across the country. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

You would say exactly the same thing about people in same-sex relationships because in your view such relationships are aberrant.

You know: How dare you. You, again, have no idea what you are talking about. You showcase your own bigotry to even be able to say something like that. That's the main reason people of your ilk can't be reasoned with or even talked to. You are completely bigotted and you don't realize it. Shove that statement up your ass. I, for one, am not going to put up with that shit anymore.

My comment was directed to BiT. If you think he doesn't have that view, then you haven't been paying attention to what he wrote, particularly when same-sex marriage was legalized across the country. --Bob

I have paid very close attention to what you write, bob, and you are a bonafide e-bigot. You make assumptions and judgements about individuals based on your own deep-seated and indoctrinated prejudices, and you can't be persuaded that you are wrong no matter what.
I am not going to even try to defend myself against any of your unfounded and bigoted attacks against me or my views, opinions or statements anymore. I am going to call them out for what they are.

And who the fuck are you to tell me who you directed your statement to? You NEVER keep out of any discussion that I specifically ask you to stay out of. In fact you are openly hostile that I even ask.

[Bob78164]

You know: How dare you. You, again, have no idea what you are talking about. You showcase your own bigotry to even be able to say something like that. That's the main reason people of your ilk can't be reasoned with or even talked to. You are completely bigotted and you don't realize it. Shove that statement up your ass. I, for one, am not going to put up with that shit anymore.

My comment was directed to BiT. If you think he doesn't have that view, then you haven't been paying attention to what he wrote, particularly when same-sex marriage was legalized across the country. --Bob

I have paid very close attention to what you write, bob, and you are a bonafide e-bigot. You make assumptions and judgements about individuals based on your own deep-seated and indoctrinated prejudices, and you can't be persuaded that you are wrong no matter what.
I am not going to even try to defend myself against any of your unfounded and bigoted attacks against me or my views, opinions or statements anymore. I am going to call them out for what they are.

And who the fuck are you to tell me who you directed your statement to? You NEVER keep out of any discussion that I specifically ask you to stay out of. In fact you are openly hostile that I even ask.

You appear to be taking umbrage at me for attributing to you a view that I did not in fact attribute to you. I attributed it to BiT. So you are operating from a false premise.

But you do you. --Bob

[wbtravis007]

You know: How dare you. You, again, have no idea what you are talking about. You showcase your own bigotry to even be able to say something like that. That's the main reason people of your ilk can't be reasoned with or even talked to. You are completely bigotted and you don't realize it. Shove that statement up your ass. I, for one, am not going to put up with that shit anymore.

My comment was directed to BiT. If you think he doesn't have that view, then you haven't been paying attention to what he wrote, particularly when same-sex marriage was legalized across the country. --Bob

I have paid very close attention to what you write, bob, and you are a bonafide e-bigot. You make assumptions and judgements about individuals based on your own deep-seated and indoctrinated prejudices, and you can't be persuaded that you are wrong no matter what.
I am not going to even try to defend myself against any of your unfounded and bigoted attacks against me or my views, opinions or statements anymore. I am going to call them out for what they are.

And who the fuck are you to tell me who you directed your statement to? You NEVER keep out of any discussion that I specifically ask you to stay out of. In fact you are openly hostile that I even ask.

You weird.

[flockofseagulls104]

My comment was directed to BiT. If you think he doesn't have that view, then you haven't been paying attention to what he wrote, particularly when same-sex marriage was legalized across the country. --Bob

I have paid very close attention to what you write, bob, and you are a bonafide e-bigot. You make assumptions and judgements about individuals based on your own deep-seated and indoctrinated prejudices, and you can't be persuaded that you are wrong no matter what.
I am not going to even try to defend myself against any of your unfounded and bigoted attacks against me or my views, opinions or statements anymore. I am going to call them out for what they are.

And who the fuck are you to tell me who you directed your statement to? You NEVER keep out of any discussion that I specifically ask you to stay out of. In fact you are openly hostile that I even ask.

You appear to be taking umbrage at me for attributing to you a view that I did not in fact attribute to you. I attributed it to BiT. So you are operating from a false premise.

But you do you. --Bob

And you, as always, continue to do you. You always put your 2 cents into anything I say directly to any of your comrades, even though I specifically ask you not to. I take umbrage at your bigoted statement, and I would no matter who it was directed to.

[flockofseagulls104]

You weird.

As if I care what you think.

[Bob78164]

I have paid very close attention to what you write, bob, and you are a bonafide e-bigot. You make assumptions and judgements about individuals based on your own deep-seated and indoctrinated prejudices, and you can't be persuaded that you are wrong no matter what.
I am not going to even try to defend myself against any of your unfounded and bigoted attacks against me or my views, opinions or statements anymore. I am going to call them out for what they are.

And who the fuck are you to tell me who you directed your statement to? You NEVER keep out of any discussion that I specifically ask you to stay out of. In fact you are openly hostile that I even ask.

You appear to be taking umbrage at me for attributing to you a view that I did not in fact attribute to you. I attributed it to BiT. So you are operating from a false premise.

But you do you. --Bob

And you, as always, continue to do you. You always put your 2 cents into anything I say directly to any of your comrades, even though I specifically ask you not to. I take umbrage at your bigoted statement, and I would no matter who it was directed to.

My statement is an accurate reflection of views that BiT has repeatedly aired on this Bored. If the truth hurts, don't blame me.

I do find it interesting, though, that you're acting more offended by my calling out BiT's bigotry than you ever have by BiT's actual bigotry. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

You appear to be taking umbrage at me for attributing to you a view that I did not in fact attribute to you. I attributed it to BiT. So you are operating from a false premise.

But you do you. --Bob

And you, as always, continue to do you. You always put your 2 cents into anything I say directly to any of your comrades, even though I specifically ask you not to. I take umbrage at your bigoted statement, and I would no matter who it was directed to.

My statement is an accurate reflection of views that BiT has repeatedly aired on this Bored. If the truth hurts, don't blame me.

I do find it interesting, though, that you're acting more offended by my calling out BiT's bigotry than you ever have by BiT's actual bigotry. --Bob

I will let BiT speak for himself, but I would be willing to bet you have totally and deliberately misinterpreted everything he has ever said and have branded him based on your own limited and narrow view of the subject.
IMO it goes like this "You don't agree with my opinion on the subject of Gay Marriage and the law, so you are a homophobe".
I don't have time to go and find everything BiT has said, but that's what I think it comes down to.
And nothing he or I can ever say will make you stop and reflect on your own prejudices.