Well, the Trucker Protests Show Us One Thing Anyway

[flockofseagulls104]

In America, is there any issue of this kind where 100% of the people will agree? And, if not, would you want to live in an America where the current party in power believes it has the right and authority to force every single person to do what they have determined is 'best'? Think about it.

Flock, you've been living in a country where the current party in power believes it has the right and authority to force every single person to do what they have determined is best your entire life. Have you ever heard of a criminal code? Or a traffic code? Or a building code?

A lot of people disagree about what's a safe speed to drive on our highways. But we set speed limits and live with them or face the consequences. You're taking something you've lived with your entire life and turn it into a sinister left-wing plot on one particular issue which impacts the PUBLIC health and safety of us all a lot more than most issues.

Thank you Mr. Literal. In the previous sentence I was talking about OUR BODIES. I unconsciously carried over that thought. But you probably missed that. And by the way, there is no FEDERAL mandate for vaccinations for schools (that I know of). And if there is there shouldn't be. That is up to the individual states or communities. I have no problem with that. I have a problem with the Federal Government usurping power it is not supposed to have.

[Beebs52]

My younger brother died 1/4/20 of a respiratory illness that was not C-19, who of you is responsible for that?

Precisely

[Bob78164]

My younger brother died 1/4/20 of a respiratory illness that was not C-19, who of you is responsible for that?

Precisely

Those of us who refused, or supported the refusal of others, to take a safe and readily available vaccine that would have made it less likely we'd spread the disease to him. Do you know of anyone fitting that description? --Bob

[Beebs52]

My younger brother died 1/4/20 of a respiratory illness that was not C-19, who of you is responsible for that?

Precisely

Those of us who refused, or supported the refusal of others, to take a safe and readily available vaccine that would have made it less likely we'd spread the disease to him. Do you know of anyone fitting that description? --Bob

Did you not see the "not C-19" part?

[silverscreenselect]

Thank you Mr. Literal. In the previous sentence I was talking about OUR BODIES. I unconsciously carried over that thought. But you probably missed that. And by the way, there is no FEDERAL mandate for vaccinations for schools (that I know of). And if there is there shouldn't be. That is up to the individual states or communities. I have no problem with that. I have a problem with the Federal Government usurping power it is not supposed to have.

Thanks for the explanation, Mr. Goalpost Mover. I must have missed the part in your lengthy diatribe where you discussed how the points you raised were uniquely valid when applied to a federal as opposed to a state or local mask or vaccine mandate.

[Bob78164]

Precisely

Those of us who refused, or supported the refusal of others, to take a safe and readily available vaccine that would have made it less likely we'd spread the disease to him. Do you know of anyone fitting that description? --Bob

Did you not see the "not C-19" part?

I did. My point is that his brother's situation is not comparable to T-Bone's. T-Bone's risk was increased by the selfish actions of strangers. That's not true of suitguy's brother. --Bob

[Beebs52]

Those of us who refused, or supported the refusal of others, to take a safe and readily available vaccine that would have made it less likely we'd spread the disease to him. Do you know of anyone fitting that description? --Bob

Did you not see the "not C-19" part?

I did. My point is that his brother's situation is not comparable to T-Bone's. T-Bone's risk was increased by the selfish actions of strangers. That's not true of suitguy's brother. --Bob

Right. But it didn't apply to tmitts bro. That was the point.

[Bob Juch]

The main problem here is that it's "me" versus "we". Some here have no sense of responsibility to all others.

[Beebs52]

The main problem here is that it's "me" versus "we". Some here have no sense of responsibility to all others.

Oh please.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

Some here have no sense of responsibility to all others.

Are you responsible for the vaccine injuries, or suffering caused by the suppression of treatments like HCQ and Ivermectin or the lack of push for Vitamin D?

[Bob78164]

Some here have no sense of responsibility to all others.

Are you responsible for the vaccine injuries, or suffering caused by the suppression of treatments like HCQ and Ivermectin or the lack of push for Vitamin D?

You mean is he responsible for the injuries and deaths prevented by keeping these ineffective and sometimes-dangerous "treatments" from being misused? I guess Bob would need to answer that for himself.

Me, I'd credit the FDA, and if memory serves, it made the key decisions prior to the change in Administration so I can't even take credit for voting for the candidate who put the responsible officials in place. --Bob

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

Some here have no sense of responsibility to all others.

Are you responsible for the vaccine injuries, or suffering caused by the suppression of treatments like HCQ and Ivermectin or the lack of push for Vitamin D?

You mean is he responsible for the injuries and deaths prevented by keeping these ineffective and sometimes-dangerous "treatments" from being misused? I guess Bob would need to answer that for himself.

Me, I'd credit the FDA, and if memory serves, it made the key decisions prior to the change in Administration so I can't even take credit for voting for the candidate who put the responsible officials in place. --Bob

It’s going to be interesting as time allows analysis of the advice we got and what was suppressed. https://www.sciencealert.com/another-st ... deficiency

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

All the Canadians I have talked to are tired of the whole thing and have no sympathy for the truckers.

Go figure that blocking a bunch of roads would piss people off!

But I guess we weren’t talking about the brightest bunch of people to begin with.

I do enjoy all the mental gymnastics with the comparisons to BLM. They shut down a bridge in Pittsburgh one time. I think most people stopped taking them seriously after that. Whether or you think someone’s goals are noble or not does not matter if what they do will never work.

Honk honk!

Get vaccinated btw!

https://thepostmillennial.com/trudeau-a ... rate-flags

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

The knuckle dragging Truckers dragging prepared a little disintermediation. http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/02 ... s-upgrade/

[Bob Juch]

Some here have no sense of responsibility to all others.

Are you responsible for the vaccine injuries, or suffering caused by the suppression of treatments like HCQ and Ivermectin or the lack of push for Vitamin D?

I'm not responsible, but I support the suppression of folk medicine.

[a1mamacat]

In other news… My Pillow WHACEO Mike Lindell, trying to deliver 10,000 pillows and a bunch if bibles to the insurrectionists in Ottawa, was denied entry into Canada as he is unvaccinated.

God bless the mandates.

[flockofseagulls104]

Some here have no sense of responsibility to all others.

Are you responsible for the vaccine injuries, or suffering caused by the suppression of treatments like HCQ and Ivermectin or the lack of push for Vitamin D?

You mean is he responsible for the injuries and deaths prevented by keeping these ineffective and sometimes-dangerous "treatments" from being misused? I guess Bob would need to answer that for himself.

Me, I'd credit the FDA, and if memory serves, it made the key decisions prior to the change in Administration so I can't even take credit for voting for the candidate who put the responsible officials in place. --Bob

Maybe you shouldn't put so much faith in the FDA.

Christopher Cole, FDA Executive officer. 20 years entrenched in the bureaucracy:

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/fda ... icy-biden/

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/fda ... aceutical/

His response after being notified that what he said was recorded:
https://thephaser.com/2022/02/fda-exec- ... es-okeefe/

Bob, the 'responsible officials' are not appointed or beholden to any elected official. They are part of the Washington DC bureaucracy, who are beholden mostly to themselves and to the continuity and growth of their 'missions'. They don't go away. They just grow. You need to grok that.
It's what has been called 'The Swamp'. One recent President grokked it. They fought back. Hard. And they won.... for now.

[Weyoun]

Are you responsible for the vaccine injuries, or suffering caused by the suppression of treatments like HCQ and Ivermectin or the lack of push for Vitamin D?

You mean is he responsible for the injuries and deaths prevented by keeping these ineffective and sometimes-dangerous "treatments" from being misused? I guess Bob would need to answer that for himself.

Me, I'd credit the FDA, and if memory serves, it made the key decisions prior to the change in Administration so I can't even take credit for voting for the candidate who put the responsible officials in place. --Bob

Maybe you shouldn't put so much faith in the FDA.

Christopher Cole, FDA Executive officer. 20 years entrenched in the bureaucracy:

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/fda ... icy-biden/

https://www.projectveritas.com/news/fda ... aceutical/

His response after being notified that what he said was recorded:
https://thephaser.com/2022/02/fda-exec- ... es-okeefe/

Bob, the 'responsible officials' are not appointed or beholden to any elected official. They are part of the Washington DC bureaucracy, who are beholden mostly to themselves and to the continuity and growth of their 'missions'. They don't go away. They just grow. You need to grok that.
It's what has been called 'The Swamp'. One recent President grokked it. They fought back. Hard. And they won.... for now.

Yeah but the vaccine works. That’s the thing you keep stumbling over.

There is paltry evidence that your folk remedies might work for this. If I were a politician, I probably would’ve pushed for a study involving ivermectin. One nice thing probably did well, he bought a bunch of hydroxychloroquine and a bunch of people used it and then we realized it wasn’t doing shit. That will happen when you base a whole policy on a study of about 23 French people.

And there is a very good evidence that the vaccine will work. We’ve inoculated hundreds of millions of people at this point. We have a huge sample size. Those receiving the vaccine are not getting as sick from COVID-19. We’re also not seeing side effects in large numbers.

And that’s remarkable, given how rapidly this thing mutated and how we’ve not had time to adjust a vaccine.

All your conspiracy crap aside, who cares if Pfizer makes money if it works? Good for them. I thought you supported capitalism.

I’m tired of arguing about whether not the vaccine works. Plainly does. We have months and months of evidence of this. Keep posting your videos, though.

[Weyoun]

Are you responsible for the vaccine injuries, or suffering caused by the suppression of treatments like HCQ and Ivermectin or the lack of push for Vitamin D?

You mean is he responsible for the injuries and deaths prevented by keeping these ineffective and sometimes-dangerous "treatments" from being misused? I guess Bob would need to answer that for himself.

Me, I'd credit the FDA, and if memory serves, it made the key decisions prior to the change in Administration so I can't even take credit for voting for the candidate who put the responsible officials in place. --Bob

It’s going to be interesting as time allows analysis of the advice we got and what was suppressed. https://www.sciencealert.com/another-st ... deficiency

People who get sick are vitamin deficient.

A well-known critical care doctor tried to push vitamin C and a similar scenario a few years ago regarding sepsis. Others studied it and they concluded that the reason that people who were sick had low vitamin C levels was because they were sick and had a lot of things wrong with them

Early on, the conspiracy theories were pushing zinc.

For what it’s worth, I take vitamin D every day why was it, the formal because I live in a cloudy environment.

But neither is a bulletproof therapy for anything.

The obsession with the anti-vaccine crowd with simple medication that have been around for years being a magic cure-all is so charming and primitive.

I *hate* Chemotherapy. I see what it does to patients. But I also understand how it works. Pushing for apricots enemas avoids all the terrible things that chemotherapy does, but it also doesn’t work.

[Weyoun]

The main problem here is that it's "me" versus "we". Some here have no sense of responsibility to all others.

I think in their defense, they think there’s some sort of massive conspiracy out there, and think that the government, unchecked, will cause all sorts of harm.

They are objectively wrong about this. The government can’t get out of its own way regarding this issue. It’s certainly not the prelude to anything crazy where our rights are going to be severely limited.

But when you’re talking with human beings who make Holocaust comparisons over this, The actual reality of what’s been going on isn’t ever going to be persuasive to them

[Weyoun]

My younger brother died 1/4/20 of a respiratory illness that was not C-19, who of you is responsible for that?

What if there was a readily available vaccine out there for that illness and your brother’s death could’ve been prevented by a bunch of folks taking that vaccine?

[silverscreenselect]

And there is a very good evidence that the vaccine will work. We’ve inoculated hundreds of millions of people at this point. We have a huge sample size. Those receiving the vaccine are not getting as sick from COVID-19. We’re also not seeing side effects in large numbers.

What's strange is if you look in the medicine cabinet of any anti-vaxxer, you'll likely find a bunch of prescription or over-the-counter medications for all kinds of ailments. Many of them have more likely potential side effects (including death) than the COVID vaccine. Listen to any commercial and the last half of it is the side effect disclaimer. I don't see people ditching all those medications for horse paste though.

[BackInTex]

And there is a very good evidence that the vaccine will work. We’ve inoculated hundreds of millions of people at this point. We have a huge sample size. Those receiving the vaccine are not getting as sick from COVID-19. We’re also not seeing side effects in large numbers.

What's strange is if you look in the medicine cabinet of any anti-vaxxer, you'll likely find a bunch of prescription or over-the-counter medications for all kinds of ailments. Many of them have more likely potential side effects (including death) than the COVID vaccine. Listen to any commercial and the last half of it is the side effect disclaimer. I don't see people ditching all those medications for horse paste though.

You don't get the word "freedom". Not withstanding your assumption you know little about, no one is required to take those medicines.

[BackInTex]

My younger brother died 1/4/20 of a respiratory illness that was not C-19, who of you is responsible for that?

What if there was a readily available vaccine out there for that illness and your brother’s death could’ve been prevented by a bunch of folks taking that vaccine?

I doubt his brother would want people to be forced to be vaccinated for something he himself would not be vaccinated for, or even for something he has been vaccinated for and told he is protected by that vaccination.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

My younger brother died 1/4/20 of a respiratory illness that was not C-19, who of you is responsible for that?

What if there was a readily available vaccine out there for that illness and your brother’s death could’ve been prevented by a bunch of folks taking that vaccine?

I doubt his brother would want people to be forced to be vaccinated for something he himself would not be vaccinated for, or even for something he has been vaccinated for and told he is protected by that vaccination.

My brother was in a skilled care nursing facility due to advanced dementia (FTD). Flu precautions were in place. I had my flu shot. In some way his death was merciful. If he had been isolated from him family that would have finished him in a particularly cruel manner. As it happened I was at the care facility that Saturday morning arranging an admission to a hospital when he passed.