Put the Blame Where it Belongs-China

[Bob Juch]

This is interesting.
From Jennifer Zeng (Feb 14 Twitter Post) via a reminder from Kyle Bass (Mar 29 Twitter Post)

The early (Jan 2) lockdown of Naval University of Engineering in Wuhan- one of the five comprehensive military universities of PLA-might be supportive of my belief that the virus escaped from the Wuhan bio-lab.

Regardless, it indicates how long the CCP hid the problem

Jan 2 was 18 days before the Chinese Communist Party admitted to an epidemic and 21 days before the city was locked.

https://twitter.com/Jkylebass/status/12 ... 1984200706

Kyle Bass

>>>"Remember, the chinese military school in Wuhan issued a “Lockdown Notice” on Jan 2nd, 2020. This lockdown was issued a FULL 18 days before the chinese communist party admitted to an epidemic. It’s now clear that the CCP was busy buying up all N95 masks and gear globally."<<<<<

Gee, can we start blaming the ARP for hiding the problem in the U.S.? How about the American Republican Party congress critters who did insider trading while denying there was a problem?

[silverscreenselect]

Gee, can we start blaming the ARP for hiding the problem in the U.S.? How about the American Republican Party congress critters who did insider trading while denying there was a problem?

No, Spock is just interested in finding things he can blame on foreigners. Here's one for yo, Spock. It's called Pearl Harbor. Rumor has it that the Japanese were responsible. Maybe you want to check that out.

[Bob Juch]

Gee, can we start blaming the ARP for hiding the problem in the U.S.? How about the American Republican Party congress critters who did insider trading while denying there was a problem?

No, Spock is just interested in finding things he can blame on foreigners. Here's one for yo, Spock. It's called Pearl Harbor. Rumor has it that the Japanese were responsible. Maybe you want to check that out.

He should worry more about the Red River flooding. I hope it thaws there so he can worry about spring planting.

[Spock]

Gee, can we start blaming the ARP for hiding the problem in the U.S.? How about the American Republican Party congress critters who did insider trading while denying there was a problem?

No, Spock is just interested in finding things he can blame on foreigners. Here's one for yo, Spock. It's called Pearl Harbor. Rumor has it that the Japanese were responsible. Maybe you want to check that out.

He should worry more about the Red River flooding. I hope it thaws there so he can worry about spring planting.

Boy, for some reason, it sure gets SSS's and the Bob's panties in a bunch that somebody wants to look at the China side of this. As I have said before-you guys are free to take your domestic politics to the other massive thread.

I have to chuckle at SSS on this one
>>>>"No, Spock is just interested in finding things he can blame on foreigners. Here's one for yo, Spock. It's called Pearl Harbor. Rumor has it that the Japanese were responsible. Maybe you want to check that out."<<<<

Yeah, based on that constructive criticism, let's put SSS's guys in charge of everything. I have 100% confidence in their ability to keep an eye on developing risks world-wide-among (Gasp and clutch pearls) "foreigners."

[silverscreenselect]

Boy, for some reason, it sure gets SSS's and the Bob's panties in a bunch that somebody wants to look at the China side of this.

My question is, what's the point? No one here thinks that the Chinese are blameless in all this. If your point is that our government should have done more about it, I fully agree, but you don't seem very interested in that. You only seem interested in satisfying some sort of xenophobia in regard to China.

Further, what do you expect us to do about it? Start beating up on Orientals here in the United States. Oh wait, that's happening already because so many rightwingers are mouthing off about how all of this is China's fault. If you want our government to take stern action against China, talk to your President who has been praising the Chinese for the last three months until his followers realized they needed to find someone else to blame for this to shift attention away from his failures. And keep in mind that even though they lied to us and covered things up, we need some degree of cooperation in researching this disease to get to the endgame, which is a workable vaccine or other treatment.

And, by the way, where were you when Flock was spouting all his nonsense about how overblown all this was? As you tell it, you knew all along that this was a lot more serious but that the Bobs and I were too misguided by the impeachment to realize it. But when Flock started babbling about how he was looking forward to taking a trip to Italy when all this boiled over, did you say, "Hold your horses, FLock, this is serious..." Of course not, you were too busy confirming all of your suspicions and keeping all that information to yourself.

[Spock]

Boy, for some reason, it sure gets SSS's and the Bob's panties in a bunch that somebody wants to look at the China side of this.

My question is, what's the point? No one here thinks that the Chinese are blameless in all this. If your point is that our government should have done more about it, I fully agree, but you don't seem very interested in that. You only seem interested in satisfying some sort of xenophobia in regard to China.

Further, what do you expect us to do about it? Start beating up on Orientals here in the United States. Oh wait, that's happening already because so many rightwingers are mouthing off about how all of this is China's fault. If you want our government to take stern action against China, talk to your President who has been praising the Chinese for the last three months until his followers realized they needed to find someone else to blame for this to shift attention away from his failures. And keep in mind that even though they lied to us and covered things up, we need some degree of cooperation in researching this disease to get to the endgame, which is a workable vaccine or other treatment.

And, by the way, where were you when Flock was spouting all his nonsense about how overblown all this was? As you tell it, you knew all along that this was a lot more serious but that the Bobs and I were too misguided by the impeachment to realize it. But when Flock started babbling about how he was looking forward to taking a trip to Italy when all this boiled over, did you say, "Hold your horses, FLock, this is serious..." Of course not, you were too busy confirming all of your suspicions and keeping all that information to yourself.

So, in your view, there is nothing to be learned from the China angle. Apparently, 95% of the people here agree with you and want to endlessly rehash the supposed failings of our government. Go ahead-but I have nothing to add there. There is room for me, apparently by my lonesome and being anklebit the whole way, to look at the China angle.

You guys are so laughable and predictable.Until a few weeks ago, plagues and pandemics and preparations for such was the farthest thing from your mind and you would have ridiculed anybody, who at the personal level, was making preparations to handle disruptions like this.

Now it is the latest Squirrell!!!!!

[tlynn78]

Boy, for some reason, it sure gets SSS's and the Bob's panties in a bunch that somebody wants to look at the China side of this.

My question is, what's the point? No one here thinks that the Chinese are blameless in all this. If your point is that our government should have done more about it, I fully agree, but you don't seem very interested in that. You only seem interested in satisfying some sort of xenophobia in regard to China.

Further, what do you expect us to do about it? Start beating up on Orientals here in the United States. Oh wait, that's happening already because so many rightwingers are mouthing off about how all of this is China's fault. If you want our government to take stern action against China, talk to your President who has been praising the Chinese for the last three months until his followers realized they needed to find someone else to blame for this to shift attention away from his failures. And keep in mind that even though they lied to us and covered things up, we need some degree of cooperation in researching this disease to get to the endgame, which is a workable vaccine or other treatment.

And, by the way, where were you when Flock was spouting all his nonsense about how overblown all this was? As you tell it, you knew all along that this was a lot more serious but that the Bobs and I were too misguided by the impeachment to realize it. But when Flock started babbling about how he was looking forward to taking a trip to Italy when all this boiled over, did you say, "Hold your horses, FLock, this is serious..." Of course not, you were too busy confirming all of your suspicions and keeping all that information to yourself.

So, in your view, there is nothing to be learned from the China angle. Apparently, 95% of the people here agree with you and want to endlessly rehash the supposed failings of our government. Go ahead-but I have nothing to add there. There is room for me, apparently by my lonesome and being anklebit the whole way, to look at the China angle.

You guys are so laughable and predictable.Until a few weeks ago, plagues and pandemics and preparations for such was the farthest thing from your mind and you would have ridiculed anybody, who at the personal level, was making preparations to handle disruptions like this.

Now it is the latest Squirrell!!!!!

Nailed it. Ankle biters - very apt.

[Spock]

From a Hong Kong source

Re-The Wuhan biolab

https://twitter.com/OSINTHK/status/1228664201452765185

>>>"Two Chinese scientists published a now deleted paper on ResearchGate that we were able to retrieve. It claims #COVID2019 / #nCoV2019 may have originated from accidental Wuhan Center of Disease Control and Prevention leakage due to high risk behavior and bad operational security."<<<<

[silverscreenselect]

So, in your view, there is nothing to be learned from the China angle.

Here's what's to be learned from the China angle. Don't trust China. And while we're at it, don't trust Iran. Don't trust Russia. Don't trust North Korea.

Except that we already knew that, that is, except apparently for Donald Trump, who has to learn that lesson over and over again. He's had far more favorable things to say about the Chinese government than anyone on this Bored has.

And while you're patting yourself on the back for how much foresight you had about the current crisis, I've yet to see anything you actually did about it. Maybe you stocked up on some extra toilet paper and bought a few face masks. But you've already admitted you didn't try to influence any politicians or your friends and neighbors and we know you didn't sound the warning on this Bored when Flock kept going off the deep end. I don't follow all the other websites you apparently frequent, but I have a hunch that if you'd been sounding the alarm on right-wing websites in January, you'd have gotten a lot worse treatment online that you've gotten from me and the Bobs.

So apparently, all you've done is engage in some mental self-gratification (I won't use another word for that) about how evil the Chinese are. If that's what floats your boat, good for you.

[Spock]

>>>"So apparently, all you've done is engage in some mental self-gratification (I won't use another word for that) about how evil the Chinese are. If that's what floats your boat, good for you."<<<<

LMAO-and your endless re-hashing of the supposed failings of our government on the dying message board of a defunct game show isn't "mental self-gratification?"

[Spock]

An article in the NY Post about the World Health Organization's role as China's handmaiden in the virus deal.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/chinas-de ... anization/

>>>>"Far from sounding an alarm, however, the UN outfit was ­impassive while Beijing stonewalled international health ­authorities for weeks. Indeed, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus praised the Chinese regime for its “transparency” in the crisis. Tedros, ­recall, was Beijing’s candidate for WHO chief and owes his job to China’s campaign for him at the United Nations."<<<<

I had not specifically seen before that Tedros owed his job to Beijing. Might be kind of a big deal from the whole global health situation angle.

[Bob Juch]

[Spock]

OK, apparently I missed it as I don't see everything here. Where are the posts and discussions about Tedros owing his job to Beijing and the WHO acting as China's lackey? And, I guess for that matter, where are the discussions and posts about the Wuhan biolab?

Oh, and given the contents of the other massive thread-self awareness, much?

[Spock]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-21350013

BBC article on the fashion business connections between northern Italy and China. I have previously seen elsewhere that many of the Chinese in northern Italy are from the Wuhan area. The massive Chinese presence in northern Italy is probably a pretty good explanation why Italy got hit so hard so early.

Too bad the CCCP hid the epidemic for so long.

China lied-Italians died.

[Spock]

Although, I do have to admit that most likely the Italian government, out of an overblown sense of political correctness-ie fear of being called racist and xenophobic, would not have done anything, anyway, in time for it to matter.

[Spock]

https://catholicherald.co.uk/china-owes ... -cardinal/

Cardinal Bo-Head of the Federation of Asian Bishops calls for an apology and compensation from China for the Virus.

But as we all know here, he is simply trying to distract from the errors of the Trump Administration.

>>>>"Poor countries are suffering from the coronavirus because of the Chinese Communist Party’s negligence and repression, a cardinal from Burma said on Thursday.

“The Chinese regime led by the all-powerful Xi Jinping and the CCP — not its people — owes us all an apology and compensation for the destruction it has caused,” Cardinal Muang Bo, Archbishop of Yangon, wrote in an op-ed published April 2 by UCA News."<<<

[Bob78164]

https://catholicherald.co.uk/china-owes ... -cardinal/

Cardinal Bo-Head of the Federation of Asian Bishops calls for an apology and compensation from China for the Virus.

But as we all know here, he is simply trying to distract from the errors of the Trump Administration.

>>>>"Poor countries are suffering from the coronavirus because of the Chinese Communist Party’s negligence and repression, a cardinal from Burma said on Thursday.

“The Chinese regime led by the all-powerful Xi Jinping and the CCP — not its people — owes us all an apology and compensation for the destruction it has caused,” Cardinal Muang Bo, Archbishop of Yangon, wrote in an op-ed published April 2 by UCA News."<<<

Again, so what? It's Donny's job to have an Administration that won't get fooled by this shit, just like it's a general's to have his troops in position not to be slaughtered by a sneak attack. Donny degraded our ability to know what was going on.

But we still knew enough that Donny should have acted months sooner. We could really use those extra 3 million tests and who know how many ventilators that could have been created in the two months Donny frittered away. --Bob

[Spock]

Edited to fix the link to take it straight to the thread-Never mind-didn't work-If anybody is interested just click on "Show this thread" at the bottom of the linked Tweet.

https://twitter.com/jimgeraghty/status/ ... 7311982593

Jim Geraghty of National Review has a long Twitter thread outlining some of the circumstantial evidence that the virus came from a lab. The main thing I learned today is that there are 2 biolabs in Wuhan performing the relevant type of research on bats. But, I am sure SSS and the Bobs have known about the second lab for months.

Re-Twitter access

In case anybody is wondering, I do not have a Twitter account, but I have never had trouble reading stuff there-so it appears that anybody can read most posts there.

[Bob Juch]

Pence seeks to blame CDC and China for any delay in US coronavirus response -- not Trump's initial failure to face reality

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics ... index.html

[Spock]

Pence seeks to blame CDC and China for any delay in US coronavirus response -- not Trump's initial failure to face reality

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics ... index.html

That probably belongs in the other thread. I think readers of this one would be more interested in your take on bio-security protocols at Chinese biological labs.

Given their behavior in this thread; I have a mental image of SSS and the Bobs holding their breath and stomping their feet and whining-"Why won't Spock play 'Gotcha' domestic politics with us?"

[Bob78164]

Pence seeks to blame CDC and China for any delay in US coronavirus response -- not Trump's initial failure to face reality

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics ... index.html

That probably belongs in the other thread. I think readers of this one would be more interested in your take on bio-security protocols at Chinese biological labs.

Given their behavior in this thread; I have a mental image of SSS and the Bobs holding their breath and stomping their feet and whining-"Why won't Spock play 'Gotcha' domestic politics with us?"

You are playing politics. In the very title of this thread, you're claiming that the blame for America's current straits belongs with China, rather than with the federal government that failed abysmally in its response to this foreseeable (and foreseen) crisis. So you can climb off your high horse. --Bob

[Estonut]

Too bad the CCCP hid the epidemic for so long.

They have hidden it since they dissolved in 1991?

[Spock]

Pence seeks to blame CDC and China for any delay in US coronavirus response -- not Trump's initial failure to face reality

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics ... index.html

That probably belongs in the other thread. I think readers of this one would be more interested in your take on bio-security protocols at Chinese biological labs.

Given their behavior in this thread; I have a mental image of SSS and the Bobs holding their breath and stomping their feet and whining-"Why won't Spock play 'Gotcha' domestic politics with us?"

You are playing politics. In the very title of this thread, you're claiming that the blame for America's current straits belongs with China, rather than with the federal government that failed abysmally in its response to this foreseeable (and foreseen) crisis. So you can climb off your high horse. --Bob

This is odd, my Google Translate option translated Bob's words to-"Squirrell."

Will everybody please stop polluting this thread and put the domestic politics in the other thread. This is a CHINA thread.

But, just to warn everybody, I will be bringing in Senator Tom Cotton as he has been on the Wuhan lab stuff for a long time. That would be a type of domestic politics that is on-topic to the thread.

[Spock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU

10-minute Youtube video on the Wuhan Biolab.

The speaker is following public information bread crumbs on the Chinese internet and believes the virus came from the lab.

[jarnon]

Even if the virus didn't originate in the labs, the experts there should have been aware of the dangerous conditions down the street. Reminds me of Abbottabad: even if Pakistani officials didn't permit Bin Laden to hide out there, they either were incompetent or turned a blind eye to the terrorist living near their military academy.