Even for you Flock, this post has more untruths and bits of faulty reasoning than usual. Republicans have been at the meetings; I guess you listen to too much Hannity to know what's really going on. Closed door does not mean secret or confidential. They do have a way to handle any confidential material that comes up (that's the purpose of that closed off room that the Republican party crashers entered with their cell phones). The Republicans are perfectly free to release whatever information they want. The fact they haven't done so might just indicate how weak their case is. This affair "emerged out of the swamp" because Trump decided to get involved after the new president of the Ukraine was elected this spring. I guess Mueller and the Democrats must have rigged those election dates.flockofseagulls104 wrote:Does it not bother you that they are doing this in secret, not allowing any republicans to even attend these 'hearings', have nobody to cross examine these 'witnesses', accord no due process, and then leak out only information that supports their predetermined outcome? All orchestrated by a man who was caught red-handed lying about what happened on the phone call in question? Who also lied about never having any contact with the 'whistleblower'? Who also lied about having 'incontrovertible' evidence that trump colluded with the russians? And that this whole thing emerged out of the swamp almost immediately after the Mueller fiasco didn't work out? There seem to be a lot of credibility issues here.
Even if it is true the administration withheld aid to pressure ukraine to investigate the bidens, (there are many other valid reasons to have done so) does it not even bother you that biden's son got a lot of money to sit on the board of a company for which, even he admits, he had absolutely no qualifications? Why? The only logical reason was to peddle influence. What other reason? And they keep saying there was no wrong doing here. Who says this? It looks like, acts like and smells like a bribe. How and by whom was it 'debunked'?
There are a lot of questions the impeachers need to answer.
Just observations from somebody with a different perspective.
The fact that Biden's son got a cushy position presumably because his name was Biden is disturbing only as it fits in with a general pattern or practice of that going on in politics. The Trump children have cashed in plenty on their name as well; I don't hear you moaning about them. The problem is that Trump wasn't concerned about cleaning up corruption in the Ukraine in general; he was concerned about one specific instance of "corruption," that of the Bidens. This was debunked by the Ukrainians themselves in their internal investigations of what took place in their own country.
You're right about one thing. You do have a different perspective from those like Bob###, Jarnon and me. Our perspective is the real world. Yours is the non-existent-conspiracy-laced right wing noise machine that conveniently dismisses everything it doesn't like as fake news.