At least 30 shot in Texas

[Bob Juch]

Apparently two shooters driving around Odessa shooting at random.

[Bob Juch]

Local news says 5 dead 21 injured. Only one shooter who is now dead.

[Bob Juch]

Today 10 new laws easing restrictions on guns take effect in Texas.

[Bob78164]

Donny says this latest mass shooting "really hasn't changed anything" about how Congress is approaching gun legislation.

Wow. He finally said something I agree with. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/c ... 65041.html

Goes on and on every week. Doesn't much concern BJ and big word BJ. Doesn't advance any political agenda. Still tragic. It's our culture, not just guns. Whats the solution? Hell if I know, but it's not giving more power to clueless politicians and bureaucrats.

[Bob Juch]

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/c ... 65041.html

Goes on and on every week. Doesn't much concern BJ and big word BJ. Doesn't advance any political agenda. Still tragic. It's our culture, not just guns. Whats the solution? Hell if I know, but it's not giving more power to clueless politicians and bureaucrats.

The solution is not to make guns easier to get.

[BackInTex]

Today 10 new laws easing restrictions on guns take effect in Texas.

The solution is not to make guns easier to get.

What is the 10th new law? I found the following 9.
Which of the 10 new laws do you think inappropriate and why?
Do you think any of them are making it easier to get a gun? If so, which one and how so?
And finally, would any of these have an affect on any shooting in the past 5 - 10 years? If so, which one and how?

HB 121 — Relating to a defense to prosecution for the offense of trespass by certain persons carrying handguns.
Provides a defense for License To Carry holders who unknowingly enter establishments that prohibit guns with signage if the LTC holder promptly leaves the property after being asked.
HB 302 — Relating to the carrying, storage, or possession of a firearm or firearm ammunition by certain persons on certain residential or commercial property.
Prohibits residential lease agreements from restricting the possession of firearms by residents or their guests.
HB 1143 — Relating to the transportation or storage of a handgun or other firearm or ammunition by a handgun license holder in a school parking area.
Updates the Texas Education Code to prevent school districts from regulating the manner in which a licensed person's handgun, firearm, or ammunition is stored in their vehicle in a school parking area.
HB 1177 — Relating to carrying a handgun during a state of disaster.
Prevents citizens from being charged with a crime for carrying a handgun without a License To Carry while evacuating from a declared state or local disaster area, or while returning to that area. Also gives disaster shelters the option to accommodate evacuees with firearms.
HB 1387 — Relating to the number of school marshals that may be appointed to serve on a public school campus or at a private school.
Loosens restrictions on how many armed school marshals a school district or the governing body of an open-enrollment charter school may appoint.
HB 1791 — Relating to the carrying of handguns by license holders on property owned or leased by a governmental entity.
Updates language in the Texas Government Code related to the carrying of firearms on property owned or leased by a government entity.
HB 2363 — Relating to permitting certain foster homes to store firearms and ammunition in the same locked location.
Updates specifications for how foster parents may store their firearms in a foster home.
SB 535 — Relating to the carrying of a handgun by a license holder on the premises of certain places of religious worship.
Clarifies the Texas Penal Code to make it clear that places of worship are to be treated the same as other private property when determining whether a license holder may carry on premises.
SB 741 — Relating to restrictive covenants regarding firearms or firearm ammunition.
Prohibits a property owners association from prohibiting or restricting the possession, transportation, or storage of a firearm or ammunition. Also prohibits restrictions on the lawful discharge of a firearm.

[jarnon]

While I wouldn’t want laws like this where I live, I can see how they fit into “Texas culture.”

There are a few things I’d object to if I were a Texan:

HB 302 & SB 741: Residents should be able to set rules for their own community. If they can prohibit lawn mowing late at night because it’s noisy, they should be able to prohibit backward target practice because it’s unsafe (even if it’s lawful in that municipality). And if they can prohibit livestock because of the smell, they should be allowed to insist that firearms be stored so kids can’t play with them.

HB 1143: OK since weapons and ammunition must be locked and out of sight. Trucks with gun racks can park down the block.

SB 535: OK since a church can still prohibit weapons if it wants to. Violence is sinful in some religions, so this is a 1st amendment issue too.

The legislature has been quick to fix laws that infringe on 2nd amendment rights. They should also be willing to close loopholes that allow known criminals, people who have made threats or are suicidal, and unsupervised kids from getting hold of guns.

[Beebs52]

What's Texas culture?

[flockofseagulls104]

What's Texas culture?

Another name for "deplorables". They got lotsa names. They have a whole committee that makes up new names, invectives and adjectives every day, except on weekends and federal holidays.But their all time favorite is 'racist'. Big word BJ contributed 'trump fan boy' a while back. Or was it one of the trolls? I don't remember. Didn't quite catch on.

[Bob Juch]

What's Texas culture?

I can't describe it but you can't cure it with fluconazole.

[silverscreenselect]

While I wouldn’t want laws like this where I live, I can see how they fit into “Texas culture.”

Here's a couple more things that fit into Texas culture:

46 people shot (22 killed) in El Paso.

29 people shot (7 killed) in Midland.

[BackInTex]

While I wouldn’t want laws like this where I live, I can see how they fit into “Texas culture.”

There are a few things I’d object to if I were a Texan:

HB 302 & SB 741: Residents should be able to set rules for their own community. If they can prohibit lawn mowing late at night because it’s noisy, they should be able to prohibit backward target practice because it’s unsafe (even if it’s lawful in that municipality). And if they can prohibit livestock because of the smell, they should be allowed to insist that firearms be stored so kids can’t play with them.

Backward target practice is very unsafe. I'll agree with you there.

Target practice in one's backyard is not legal in most municipalities. I'll agree with you that any outdoor target practice within a residential area should not be allowed and that residential communities should be able to ban such practice. I'm not sure if they can specifically ban the controlled discharge or not, but can certainly have noise restrictions that would prevent such practices.

SB 535: OK since a church can still prohibit weapons if it wants to. Violence is sinful in some religions, so this is a 1st amendment issue too.

I'm not sure what you infer by the "violence is sinful in some religions" but carrying a gun is not violent. Texas did not loosen restrictions on shooting people. Still illegal is most cases.

The legislature has been quick to fix laws that infringe on 2nd amendment rights. They should also be willing to close loopholes that allow known criminals, people who have made threats or are suicidal, and unsupervised kids from getting hold of guns.

1) Known criminals... - what would you suggest that would make is MORE illegal for them [felons] to possess firearms?
2) People who have made threats... - would you like to take a stab at defining that? Be sure to consider due process and 1st amendment.
3) suicidal... - also, define.
4) unsupervised kids...- We'd have a much improved society if we could make laws requiring parents to do their job. I'm all for it, but not just with the safe storage of guns around kids, but teaching them, making sure they go to school, do their homework, are taught right from wrong, etc. But then again, that would be more of a dictatorship on how to live, so, no.

[BackInTex]

While I wouldn’t want laws like this where I live, I can see how they fit into “Texas culture.”

Here's a couple more things that fit into Texas culture:

46 people shot (22 killed) in El Paso.

29 people shot (7 killed) in Midland.

What an ignorant, insensitive, inflammatory, and despicable thing to say.

[jarnon]

SB 535: OK since a church can still prohibit weapons if it wants to. Violence is sinful in some religions, so this is a 1st amendment issue too.

I'm not sure what you infer by the "violence is sinful in some religions" but carrying a gun is not violent. Texas did not loosen restrictions on shooting people. Still illegal is most cases.

Some of the Quakers who founded Pennsylvania opposed fighting with weapons even in self-defense, and usually didn't carry a gun, or even an ornamental sword, though they did hunt animals with guns. Many Amish and Buddhists have similar beliefs.

The legislature has been quick to fix laws that infringe on 2nd amendment rights. They should also be willing to close loopholes that allow known criminals, people who have made threats or are suicidal, and unsupervised kids from getting hold of guns.

1) Known criminals... - what would you suggest that would make is MORE illegal for them [felons] to possess firearms?
2) People who have made threats... - would you like to take a stab at defining that? Be sure to consider due process and 1st amendment.
3) suicidal... - also, define.

There are already laws on all these issues. But they're inconsistent and have loopholes. If a legislature agrees with the idea of these laws, they should remove the loopholes, just like the Texas legislature made the laws you cited more consistent.

4) unsupervised kids...- We'd have a much improved society if we could make laws requiring parents to do their job. I'm all for it, but not just with the safe storage of guns around kids, but teaching them, making sure they go to school, do their homework, are taught right from wrong, etc. But then again, that would be more of a dictatorship on how to live, so, no.

Too bad we can't legislate responsibility and common sense. But having laws on the books about safe storage and supervised use do remind some parents to do what they should be doing anyway, the way car seat laws do.

[silverscreenselect]

While I wouldn’t want laws like this where I live, I can see how they fit into “Texas culture.”

Here's a couple more things that fit into Texas culture:

46 people shot (22 killed) in El Paso.

29 people shot (7 killed) in Midland.

What an ignorant, insensitive, inflammatory, and despicable thing to say.

Here's an ignorant, insensitive, inflammatory, and despicable thing to say in the wake of the latest shooting:

“Do something!” is the statement we keep hearing. As an elected official with a vote in Austin, let me tell you what I am NOT going to do. I am NOT going to use the evil acts of a handful of people to diminish the God-given rights of my fellow Texans. Period. None of these so-called gun-control solutions will work to stop a person with evil intent. I say NO to “red flag” pre-crime laws. NO to universal background checks. NO to bans on AR-15s, or high capacity magazines. NO to mandatory gun buybacks. What can we do? YES to praying for victims. YES to praying for protection. YES to praying that God would transform the hearts of people with evil intent. YES to fathers not leaving their wives and children. YES to discipline in the homes. YES to supporting our public schools. YES to giving every law-abiding single mom the right to carry a handgun to protect her and her kids without permission from the state, and the same for all other law-abiding Texans of age. YES to your God-given, constitutionally protected rights. YES to God, and NO to more government intrusions.

That is Texas culture. Praying for protection or that God will transform the hearts of people with evil intent would not have stopped these shootings. Bans on AR-15s and high capacity magazines might.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... ter-latest

[BackInTex]

Here's a couple more things that fit into Texas culture:

46 people shot (22 killed) in El Paso.

29 people shot (7 killed) in Midland.

What an ignorant, insensitive, inflammatory, and despicable thing to say.

Here's an ignorant, insensitive, inflammatory, and despicable thing to say in the wake of the latest shooting:
Someone else's ignorant, insensitive inflammatory, and despicable comment

I was addressing yours. If you want to be compared to Matt Schaefer, I guess that is your prerogative.

[silverscreenselect]

Here's an ignorant, insensitive, inflammatory, and despicable thing to say in the wake of the latest shooting:
Someone else's ignorant, insensitive inflammatory, and despicable comment

I was addressing yours. If you want to be compared to Matt Schaefer, I guess that is your prerogative.

Matt Schaefer is an example of Texas culture. I am not.

[Beebs52]

Here's an ignorant, insensitive, inflammatory, and despicable thing to say in the wake of the latest shooting:
Someone else's ignorant, insensitive inflammatory, and despicable comment

I was addressing yours. If you want to be compared to Matt Schaefer, I guess that is your prerogative.

Matt Schaefer is an example of Texas culture. I am not.

So you're an example of Georgia culture.

[BackInTex]

Here's an ignorant, insensitive, inflammatory, and despicable thing to say in the wake of the latest shooting:
Someone else's ignorant, insensitive inflammatory, and despicable comment

I was addressing yours. If you want to be compared to Matt Schaefer, I guess that is your prerogative.

Matt Schaefer is an example of Texas culture. I am not.

Ignorant, insensitive, inflammatory, and despicable cross state lines. Still much in common with you two.

[flockofseagulls104]

I was addressing yours. If you want to be compared to Matt Schaefer, I guess that is your prerogative.

Matt Schaefer is an example of Texas culture. I am not.

So you're an example of Georgia culture.

No he's not. I've lived in GA for many years. He doesn't represent anything related to this state. That troll is an example of ignorant self righteous knee jerk leftists, which exist everywhere but mostly on the large cities on either coast.

[silverscreenselect]

Matt Schaefer is an example of Texas culture. I am not.

So you're an example of Georgia culture.

No he's not. I've lived in GA for many years. He doesn't represent anything related to this state. That troll is an example of ignorant self righteous knee jerk leftists, which exist everywhere but mostly on the large cities on either coast.

For once I agree with Flock. His brand of willful ignorance is currently more representative of Georgia culture than I am, but we're changing that. It happened in my Congressional district last year, as well as 41 others. The "knee jerk leftists" that you blithely criticize are becoming the majority in the country, in large part because yahoos like you and Schaefer are driving people away from the Republican party.

[tlynn78]

So you're an example of Georgia culture.

No he's not. I've lived in GA for many years. He doesn't represent anything related to this state. That troll is an example of ignorant self righteous knee jerk leftists, which exist everywhere but mostly on the large cities on either coast.

For once I agree with Flock. His brand of willful ignorance is currently more representative of Georgia culture than I am, but we're changing that. It happened in my Congressional district last year, as well as 41 others. The "knee jerk leftists" that you blithely criticize are becoming the majority in the country, in large part because yahoos like you and Schaefer are driving people away from the Republican party.

[jarnon]

Walmart ends all handgun ammunition sales and asks customers not to carry guns into stores

The El Paso shooting hit close to home.

[BackInTex]

Walmart ends all handgun ammunition sales and asks customers not to carry guns into stores

The El Paso shooting hit close to home.

I don't think the El Paso shooter would abide by that request. So rather than having 10 or more concealed carrying folks (or at least the possibility), Walmart is choosing to let all the other crazies know "We're still a nice soft target".

I don't know how many, if any, concealed carrying folks were at the Walmart that day, but I do suspect at the local Walmart near me, at any given time there are a good number of them.