Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

[silverscreenselect]

In other words, 100,000 people donating $10 each is an expression of the public's will. One person donating $1 million -- not so much. --Bob

One wonders then, at the votes that Walker received. Why did he get them? Because those voters made a choice between one side or the other?

A large turn-out and one side won fairly handily.

Danged ol' voters...

When one side can wildly outspend the other they usually win.

I guess that explains the 2008 Presidential election.

I wonder if the voters picked up on the fact that our beloved President made it clear he wanted nothing to do with this recall election. Once again, the wheels on the bus run over someone, in this case the people of Wisconsin.

[Flybrick]

When one side can wildly outspend the other they usually win.

Guess my civics classes and Political Science degree were wasted then.

Here all this time, I've been thinking that the side that gets the most votes wins. But nope, it's money spent on ads and organizing. I thought that the decision was made in the voting booth.

Including the one that garnered some 1/3 of the union vote in the state.

Walker won. His lieutenant governor won. 3 out of 4 state senators won (which is moot since they aren't in session and won't be until after the November elections). Whether it was because the voters thought recall was the wrong way to solve this issue (which I agree with BTW) or not, Walker won. With more votes and a larger percentage than he did in his initial governor election.

The state supreme court justice won some months ago.

How dead does this particular horse have to be?

[minimetoo26]

When one side can wildly outspend the other they usually win.

Guess my civics classes and Political Science degree were wasted then.

Here all this time, I've been thinking that the side that gets the most votes wins. But nope, it's money spent on ads and organizing. I thought that the decision was made in the voting booth.

Including the one that garnered some 1/3 of the union vote in the state.

Walker won. His lieutenant governor won. 3 out of 4 state senators won (which is moot since they aren't in session and won't be until after the November elections). Whether it was because the voters thought recall was the wrong way to solve this issue (which I agree with BTW) or not, Walker won. With more votes and a larger percentage than he did in his initial governor election.

The state supreme court justice won some months ago.

How dead does this particular horse have to be?

Deader than your Under the Radar thread?

[Flybrick]

Deader than your Under the Radar thread?

But not as dead as a Border Patrol agent, a DEA agent, and several hundred Mexican citizens.

I referenced a rhetorical animal's demise.



Stay classy, San Diego...

[Flybrick]

An almost "let my people go" statistic:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05 ... call-vote/

Wisconsin membership in the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees-the state's second-largest public-sector union after the National Education Association, which represents teachers-fell to 28,745 in February from 62,818 in March 2011, according to a person who has viewed Afscme's figures. A spokesman for Afscme declined to comment

I tried to find this statistic from a left-leaning outlet since I know Fox is the anti-christ to some. But oddly enough, I couldn't find such a report on NBC/ABC/CBS/MSNBC/CNN/Daily Kos, et al...

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

[silverscreenselect]

according to a person who has viewed Afscme's figures.

I tried to find this statistic from a left-leaning outlet since I know Fox is the anti-christ to some. But oddly enough, I couldn't find such a report on NBC/ABC/CBS/MSNBC/CNN/Daily Kos, et al...

Sometimes, if you can't find verification for an unnamed source anyplace else, it indicates that the source isn't very reliable.

[Bob78164]

All this caused by the Democratic representatives that were elected to represent, but have chosen to flee the state rather than do their duty, because they didn't like the probable outcome. Selfish, stupid and arrogant.

IMO all the representatives who have left the state should all be summarily thrown out of office. I am sure there is no law now in effect to allow that to happen, but I think this is one law that should go in the books.

How do you feel about Republican officeholders who leave the state to deprive the Legislature of a quorum? --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

All this caused by the Democratic representatives that were elected to represent, but have chosen to flee the state rather than do their duty, because they didn't like the probable outcome. Selfish, stupid and arrogant.

IMO all the representatives who have left the state should all be summarily thrown out of office. I am sure there is no law now in effect to allow that to happen, but I think this is one law that should go in the books.

How do you feel about Republican officeholders who leave the state to deprive the Legislature of a quorum? --Bob

Having lived in Oregon where the whole state is run by Portland Democrats, I sympathise with them. But they are wrong. But once again, your corrupt party established the precedent and you whine and complain when the other party copies your illegal tactics. If you and yours would honor the law rather than claiming Rosa Parks when you don't like it, you'd have a legitimate point.

[Bob78164]

All this caused by the Democratic representatives that were elected to represent, but have chosen to flee the state rather than do their duty, because they didn't like the probable outcome. Selfish, stupid and arrogant.

IMO all the representatives who have left the state should all be summarily thrown out of office. I am sure there is no law now in effect to allow that to happen, but I think this is one law that should go in the books.

How do you feel about Republican officeholders who leave the state to deprive the Legislature of a quorum? --Bob

Having lived in Oregon where the whole state is run by Portland Democrats, I sympathise with them. But they are wrong. But once again, your corrupt party established the precedent and you whine and complain when the other party copies your illegal tactics. If you and yours would honor the law rather than claiming Rosa Parks when you don't like it, you'd have a legitimate point.

Do you see me complaining? I just want to know if you believe that these representatives with whom you sympathize are "[s]elfish, stupid and arrogant" and that they "should all be summarily thrown out of office." Or is that only the result that you advocate when it's Democrats engaging in the conduct you don't like? --Bob

[Bob78164]

The people of Wisconsin elected a Republican Governor (against the state's historical leanings) who campaigned specifically to fix the financial state of the state. When he started to do what he was elected to do, the opposition party decided to do what they could to nullify the results of the election.

I forgot about this one. The people of Wisconsin elected a Democratic Governor. Before he even had the chance to do what he was elected to do, the opposition party (elected, thanks to gerrymandering, by a minority of the populace) decided to do what they could do to nullify the results of the election. Any comment? --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

The people of Wisconsin elected a Republican Governor (against the state's historical leanings) who campaigned specifically to fix the financial state of the state. When he started to do what he was elected to do, the opposition party decided to do what they could to nullify the results of the election.

I forgot about this one. The people of Wisconsin elected a Democratic Governor. Before he even had the chance to do what he was elected to do, the opposition party (elected, thanks to gerrymandering, by a minority of the populace) decided to do what they could do to nullify the results of the election. Any comment? --Bob

Yeah. Most politicians are selfish arrogant jerks. I think we should limit their power over us as much as possible. You serm to think democrat politicians have every answer. I think you are mistaken. I think none of them do. Both parties will do everything they can to increase their power over us. The dems are at least semi honest about it.

[silverscreenselect]

Both parties will do everything they can to increase their power over us. The dems are at least semi honest about it.

Well, I'll be darned. At least the semblance of an original thought from you Flock, and you give sort of, kind of, half heartedly, imply that the Democrats are better than the Republicans in one regard. I guess my words of wisdom may have had some effect on you. Baby steps, but it's a step. Congratulations. Now just stay away from the right wing noise machine for a couple of days and you might do some more independent thinking.

[flockofseagulls104]

I don't think I'll be taking part in any more political discussions here anymore. Taking a look at the previous post in this thread, it just shows how pointless it is. Not only is the previous poster a contemptible human being, the previous poster does not even comprehend what I wrote. My saying that the democrats are more honest refers to the fact that they want to have government control every aspect of our lives. I think every one of the dem candidates for president is either a declared socialist or at least has no problem with socialism. That is what I mean by being honest about it. They don't even try to hide it anymore.

As for the previous poster, he never reads, or if he does, never comprehends any idea I post here. He is like a TV series with no continuity. Every episode is all by itself. Never a reference to any other episode in the past. Nothing ever progresses. He has his standard bit, and that is all he ever does. I am tired of it.

Goodbye, y'all.

[silverscreenselect]

As for the previous poster, he never reads, or if he does, never comprehends any idea I post here.

I guess I've graduated to the rather nondescript "previous poster" although Flock did throw in the term "contemptible human being" into the mix. Of course, neither Flock nor any of the Republicans who scream about "socialism" as the boogeyman today have any idea what real socialism is (an idea that has never actually been put into use anywhere other than in a few small isolated communities), so everything they don't like becomes "socialism."

And, good for you for patting yourself on the back on your "continuity." You spout the same right-wing party line time after time as you've been indoctrinated.

I hope you don't leave Flock. I'm aching for the day I can actually comprehend something you write.