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#26 Post by dimmzy » Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:17 am

4-Carly "Superstar" from "Jesus Christ Superstar". Started a bit Vegas-y, then she hit her stride and powered up. problem is, she was screwing up the lyrics left and right (although I doubt many viewers knew it unless they really knew the song)... B-
What I disliked about her performance, as well as some other performers of this season and the past years, was the completely INAPPROPRIATE FACIAL EXPRESSION. She was SMILING when her expression should have been more challenging or intense.

I've been watching AI: Season 2 Rewind and I've noticed how often Ruben Studdard had inappropriate expressions. He was grinning like an idiot during "Breaking Up Is Hard to Do" (at least I think that was the song). At that point, I think he was full of himself and felt pretty sure he could win. I don't think that's Carly's issue though, but still ... C'mon, AI--don't your coaches work with them on expressions?

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#27 Post by PlacentiaSoccerMom » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:12 am

I have read that the producers pick the songs that the contestants sing. Since Jason didn't really know about Andrew Lloyd Webber, I think that the producers gave him an unsuitable song to sing as a way of putting him on the chopping block, thereby protecting David A, their golden boy.

VFTW will protect Brooke this week, so Jason might be gone.

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#28 Post by dimmzy » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:24 am

I have read that the producers pick the songs that the contestants sing.
No, they give them a SELECTION of songs, which is based on which artists will give them rights (and, I assume, at the right price.)

Clay Aiken and Sanjaya both talked about song choice and how they often had to sing a second or third choice because of rights issues. Sanjaya said he once had to sing a SEVENTH choice.

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#29 Post by astrnomr » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:44 am

I knew very early in season one that Kelly Clarkson would win. No matter what genre they threw at the contestants (and the genre diversity was much wilder back then), she sounded great while other contestants floundered if they were out of their element. Even though musical theatre is not the future of most of these contestants, I think it's important to push them to do different things like ALW songs to see who can adapt and who sinks like a rock. Also, it seemed like ALW had a great grasp of what each contestant needed to do, although that advice was not always heeded. Some of the other "coaches" that they've had in the past (Mariah Carey, Gwen Stefani, etc.) are only there to pimp out their latest songs, and they add no value to the contestants.

Syesha - I often compare her to Whitney Houston... and I make no secret of my dislike of Whitney Houston. Syesha is a great technical singer, but everything sounds the same. Until last night, that is. For most of the season, I couldn't really see how she could be a successful recording artist after AI is over, but that was spectacular. First of all, she looks sooooo much better with her hair flattened out instead of the big frizzy afro. Second, she came to life, performing all over the stage, and finally displaying stage presence. It wasn't just singing, it was a performance. If I paid money to see her in concert, that is exactly what I'd want to see, not somebody standing in the middle of the stage singing song after song that sounds the same. Going first is always the cursed slot, but it would be a shame if she ended up in the bottom three after that.

Jason - The more he sings, the more I an convinced that he has no future as a recording artist. The song choice was a disaster, he has an extremely limited vocal range, and he's duller than dishwater. If you close your eyes and just listen to him, there is nothing special about him. If I had heard that on the car radio, I would have been changing stations as fast as possible. That was somewhere between boring and painful.

Brooke - She seems to be on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Last week, she was trembling noticeably throughout the song. Last night, when she stopped after a couple of notes, I thought she was going to get up, say she couldn't go on any longer, and walk off. I think it was better to stop and restart; otherwise, she never would have recovered. However, it still was one of the worst two performances of the night.

David A - The most important thing ALW told him was to keep his eyes open when he sings. So what does he do? He goes right into his "squinting like he's pooping" look. Other than that, I thought it was another dull performance. He's another singer who's technically good, but it's the same thing over and over and over. He seems incapable of doing anything different. He'll probably reach the finals, but I still don't know why, and I think his post-Idol success will be short-lived.

Carly - I actually liked this performance, and I think choosing JCS was much more suited for her strong vocals. The arrangement was a bit odd, but I thought it worked and made for a memorable performance. She still needs to figure out that her future is as a power rocker like Joan Jett or Lita Ford, not pop stuff like Heart. And look... she does own a shirt with sleeves!

David C - I was laughing my butt off when he was told to picture ALW as a 17-year-old girl. Overall, I thought it was good, and he hit some really strong notes. However, his voice sounded rounded and polished, not the usual rough, edgy sound that he has. Still, this is clearly not the genre he would be doing in his post-Idol career, and I thought he did a decent job with it anyway. Going last should help keep him out of the bottom three.

Bottom Three:
Jason - Incredibly dull, went early, and made a bad song choice.
Brooke - On the verge of a breakdown, and restarting didn't help.
David A - Syesha was the best of the night, and David C should easily be in the top three with that performance and by going last. That leaves it down to Carly and David A, and I thought Carly was memorable while David A was completely forgettable.

The Boot:
While eliminating Brooke might be a mercy killing at this point, I think it will be Jason. His vocal range runs the gamut from A to B, he has little to no stage presence, and almost all of his performances have been forgettable. If people would stop staring at his dreadlocks long enough to listen to him (attempt) singing, he'd have been gone weeks ago.

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#30 Post by PlacentiaSoccerMom » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:50 am

Dial Idol predicts David Cook as being safe from elimination.

According to their measurements, Jason, Brooke and Carly have the least amount of votes.

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#31 Post by T_Bone0806 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:27 am

The difference between Brooke and Carly last night was in covering/not covering their mistakes. Brooke missed one line but everyone knew it. Carly screwed up the lyrics from start to finish (seriously-didn't ANYONE notice that the lines didn't rhyme?), yet the Idol boreds are lit up with raves about her "amazing" performance. Because Carly didn't let it faze her and just soldiered on as if nothing was wrong. It worked for her. I am liking her less and less with each week, but it was to her credit that she covered it up so well. Then again, she has experience in "the business", so you would expect that she's learned a thing or two. Since I don't care that much for her anymore, it incensed me that she got away with it, but hey, ya gotta tip your hat when it's due.
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#32 Post by T_Bone0806 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:34 am

Appa23 wrote:Also, I am surprised that so many think that Christians would be offended by anyone singing a song from Jesus Christ Superstar and not vote for them just based on that one reason. In reality, especially with Idol, it is much more likely that non-Christians will punsih someone for singing a religious song or voicing a religious belief.
Only based on all the controversy that the production caused back then, and even now on occasion, when a touring company comes to town. It still stirs up some reaction, though not as much as it did back in the day.

I would hope that it wouldn't cause backlash based solely on that. After all, if it's ok to sing "Shout to the Lord" (and it is), it shouldn't be a problem to perform something from JCS (which is told more from Judas' point of view but doesn't necessarily say his opinions are correct or incorrect). But I do think that there were probably SOME who were offended nonetheless.
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#33 Post by PlacentiaSoccerMom » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:44 am

T_Bone0806 wrote:The difference between Brooke and Carly last night was in covering/not covering their mistakes. Brooke missed one line but everyone knew it. Carly screwed up the lyrics from start to finish (seriously-didn't ANYONE notice that the lines didn't rhyme?), yet the Idol boreds are lit up with raves about her "amazing" performance.
My musical theater loving kid noticed it. She was ripping Carly a new one during her performance.

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#34 Post by Appa23 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:50 am

T_Bone0806 wrote:The difference between Brooke and Carly last night was in covering/not covering their mistakes. Brooke missed one line but everyone knew it. Carly screwed up the lyrics from start to finish (seriously-didn't ANYONE notice that the lines didn't rhyme?), yet the Idol boreds are lit up with raves about her "amazing" performance. Because Carly didn't let it faze her and just soldiered on as if nothing was wrong. It worked for her. I am liking her less and less with each week, but it was to her credit that she covered it up so well. Then again, she has experience in "the business", so you would expect that she's learned a thing or two. Since I don't care that much for her anymore, it incensed me that she got away with it, but hey, ya gotta tip your hat when it's due.
T-Bone made me replay the clip on YouTube, with the lyrics.

The issue was not with the lines not rhyming (as she got the right words at the end of verse lines).

She totally blew 2nd line.

She said "Pick" rather than "choose".

Made the common mistake of "Jesus Christ, Superstar" at the start of chorus, rather than "Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ" (which did cause a rhyme issue).

Did say "King" of the crop, which made no sense, rather than "pick".
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#35 Post by Sir_Galahad » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:21 pm

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Well, I was bit surprised at carly's ousting. I thought, for sure, it would have been either Jason or Brooke. It does appear to be something of a popularity contest as the bottom two gave, arguably, their best performances of the season.
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#36 Post by Snaxx » Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:48 pm

Sir_Galahad wrote:
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Well, I was bit surprised at carly's ousting. I thought, for sure, it would have been either Jason or Brooke. It does appear to be something of a popularity contest as the bottom two gave, arguably, their best performances of the season.
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Or maybe they knew the lyrics to JCS.... Yeah. ... Hope it wasn't religious types refusing to vote for her as discussed here. I think it was probably a very close four-way race and any of the four besides the Jasons could have gone this week.
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#37 Post by Appa23 » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:06 pm

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Sir_Galahad wrote:
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Well, I was bit surprised at carly's ousting. I thought, for sure, it would have been either Jason or Brooke. It does appear to be something of a popularity contest as the bottom two gave, arguably, their best performances of the season.
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Or maybe they knew the lyrics to JCS.... Yeah. ... Hope it wasn't religious types refusing to vote for her as discussed here. I think it was probably a very close four-way race and any of the four besides the Jasons could have gone this week.
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It likely wasn't the lyrics, as she actually only messed up a few words. Certainly, not the lyrical train wreck that was David A earlier in the season.

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#38 Post by BeansCat » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:53 am

we haz herd asp urchins abowt the jasonz wif hiz harblz, nd we sez if he sing abowt cats, we shd hearit.

we hed antipayshun. he haz the gud purr somtimz nd he sing frum the Jellik'l, which isbowt catz nd them.

we packed aer bukits nd jurneyd yutueb.

he wuz not so grate akshully. mostly he makz us purr nd we want 2 snorgle his har. but dis tiem we hockded harblz. gak.

nex tiem he shd purr sweeeet caromaline or song it sung blew. srsly. we wud be happycatz.
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BeansCat wrote:we haz herd asp urchins abowt the jasonz wif hiz harblz, nd we sez if he sing abowt cats, we shd hearit.

we hed antipayshun. he haz the gud purr somtimz nd he sing frum the Jellik'l, which isbowt catz nd them.

we packed aer bukits nd jurneyd yutueb.

he wuz not so grate akshully. mostly he makz us purr nd we want 2 snorgle his har. but dis tiem we hockded harblz. gak.

nex tiem he shd purr sweeeet caromaline or song it sung blew. srsly. we wud be happycatz.

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#40 Post by JoeBobBillyWayneTucker » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:26 am

ClonedKitty wrote:
BeansCat wrote:we haz herd asp urchins abowt the jasonz wif hiz harblz, nd we sez if he sing abowt cats, we shd hearit.

we hed antipayshun. he haz the gud purr somtimz nd he sing frum the Jellik'l, which isbowt catz nd them.

we packed aer bukits nd jurneyd yutueb.

he wuz not so grate akshully. mostly he makz us purr nd we want 2 snorgle his har. but dis tiem we hockded harblz. gak.

nex tiem he shd purr sweeeet caromaline or song it sung blew. srsly. we wud be happycatz.

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#41 Post by christie1111 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:39 am

I still think that there were some out there not voting for Carly because she isn't 'american'. We discussed this early on but now the 2 people who were not American citizans are gone.

I still was surprised that Brooke was not in the bottom.
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#42 Post by littlebeast13 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:46 am

christie1111 wrote:I still was surprised that Brooke was not in the bottom.

My sister has a large group of her friends voting for her.

I actually turned it on last night until I got to see her to see if my mom was right. The face is slightly off, but that hair is a dead ringer for Sister #2....

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