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Co-workers who have kept up better than I have assure me he was trying to sell tickets to his concert and also get a raise on his TV show.
I'm now cool with him serving some time.
I'm now cool with him serving some time.
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I don't believe he will (or should) get off as easily as Skoop thinks he will.Bob78164 wrote:I think it would be appropriate for him to lose his job as well. He misused the public platform that he had by virtue of his celebrity (assuming, as now appears all but certain, that he really did make the whole thing up).Ritterskoop wrote:I didn't so much think he was going for a pay raise as he was trying, in the wrong way, to send a message that gay-bashing is bad. It is in ENTIRELY the wrong way, in case I was not clear.
My bet is that he will not serve any time if he pleads out, as that is common for first offenders in many charges. Save the taxpayers some money by skipping a trial, do some community service, and hush up for a few years, would be my preference for his future. But it's OK with me if he does 30 days locked up, too. You can't just stir shit up and then walk away with no penalties.
The CPD believes he was involved in the creation of the "threatening letter," which didn't generate a satisfactory (to him) amount of attention. I looked at the Federal Code about Mailing threatening communications:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/87618 U.S. Code § 876. Mailing threatening communications
(a) Whoever knowingly deposits in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter, to be sent or delivered by the Postal Service or knowingly causes to be delivered by the Postal Service according to the direction thereon, any communication, with or without a name or designating mark subscribed thereto, addressed to any other person, and containing any demand or request for ransom or reward for the release of any kidnapped person, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person any money or other thing of value, so deposits, or causes to be delivered, as aforesaid, any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of the addressee or of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(c) Whoever knowingly so deposits or causes to be delivered as aforesaid, any communication with or without a name or designating mark subscribed thereto, addressed to any other person and containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of the addressee or of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. If such a communication is addressed to a United States judge, a Federal law enforcement officer, or an official who is covered by section 1114, the individual shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
(d) Whoever, with intent to extort from any person any money or other thing of value, knowingly so deposits or causes to be delivered, as aforesaid, any communication, with or without a name or designating mark subscribed thereto, addressed to any other person and containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another, or the reputation of a deceased person, or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. If such a communication is addressed to a United States judge, a Federal law enforcement officer, or an official who is covered by section 1114, the individual shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 741; Pub. L. 91–375, § 6(j)(7), Aug. 12, 1970, 84 Stat. 777; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §§ 330016(1)(G), (H), (K), 330021(2), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147, 2150; Pub. L. 107–273, div. C, title I, § 11008(d), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1818.)
Since, to my knowledge, neither Smollet, the CPD, the FBI nor his production company has revealed the contents of the "threatening letter," there is no way for us to yet know whether or not any part of this code applies to him. I noticed that sections (a), (c) & (d) specifically state "addressed to any other person," yet (b) does not. If any of this applies to him, it would constitute a Federal crime, so I don't see them letting him slide much, especially since he (and those who initially supported him, but are now awaiting the results of the investigation) caused this to blow up so big. I'd also think this could constitute hate speech, as he intentionally targeted several groups with his lies.
Lawyers?
Based on what I've read from various sources, Smollet and the brothers are pretty stupid, beyond all the other reprehensible qualities they have demonstrated with this hoax:
1) One of the brothers KEPT the receipt from the purchase of the rope.
2) One of the brothers KEPT the magazine from which they cut letters to paste into the "threatening letter."
3) Smollet paid the brothers BY CHECK!
A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
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Tweet from The Daily Show:
The Jussie Smollett saga began as a story of people who hated him because he was black and gay. Now, people just hate him because he’s an asshole.
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Well BobMany#s was right. He has lost his job. Not feeling very sorry for him.
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I read somewhere that this dirtbag was arrested for DUI in 2007 and chose to ID himself as his brother to the arresting officers. His lawyer claims, "Mr. Smollett is a young man of impeccable character and integrity."
A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
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Looks like there are conservative idiots too. --Bob
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Jacob Wohl is a crackpot with no more credibility than Milo Yiannopoulos or Dinesh D’Souza. Smollet was a respected actor till now.Bob78164 wrote:Looks like there are conservative idiots too. --Bob
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Where's BobJ whatabout when ya need him...Bob78164 wrote:Looks like there are conservative idiots too. --Bob
Well, then
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Rec. This guy has been a nut for awhile. Wooie.jarnon wrote:Jacob Wohl is a crackpot with no more credibility than Milo Yiannopoulos or Dinesh D’Souza. Smollet was a respected actor till now.Bob78164 wrote:Looks like there are conservative idiots too. --Bob
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Charges dropped against 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/peo ... 276106002/On Tuesday, prosecutors for Cook County, Illinois, dropped all charges against “Empire” star Jussie Smollett.
The news comes after Smollett pleaded not guilty at his arraignment on March 14 on a 16-count indictment of lying to police. He has denied the charges.
Smollett, 36, told Chicago police that he was attacked in the middle of the night on Jan. 29, claiming that two masked men shouted homophobic and racist abuse at him, beat his face, threw bleach on him, hung a noose around his neck and yelled, "This is MAGA country," a reference to President Trump's campaign slogan.
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This must mean that he didn’t falsely report an attack. After all, the evidence does not establish that a crime was committed. I call upon the producers of “Empire” to restore Mr. Smollett’s position on the show and I apologize to him for my misunderstanding of the evidence against him. —BobVandal wrote:Charges dropped against 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/peo ... 276106002/On Tuesday, prosecutors for Cook County, Illinois, dropped all charges against “Empire” star Jussie Smollett.
The news comes after Smollett pleaded not guilty at his arraignment on March 14 on a 16-count indictment of lying to police. He has denied the charges.
Smollett, 36, told Chicago police that he was attacked in the middle of the night on Jan. 29, claiming that two masked men shouted homophobic and racist abuse at him, beat his face, threw bleach on him, hung a noose around his neck and yelled, "This is MAGA country," a reference to President Trump's campaign slogan.
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I'm also waiting for all the apologies from Fox News and various right wing sources that got on his case. Did Trump say anything about him?Bob78164 wrote:This must mean that he didn’t falsely report an attack. After all, the evidence does not establish that a crime was committed. I call upon the producers of “Empire” to restore Mr. Smollett’s position on the show and I apologize to him for my misunderstanding of the evidence against him. —BobVandal wrote:Charges dropped against 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/peo ... 276106002/On Tuesday, prosecutors for Cook County, Illinois, dropped all charges against “Empire” star Jussie Smollett.
The news comes after Smollett pleaded not guilty at his arraignment on March 14 on a 16-count indictment of lying to police. He has denied the charges.
Smollett, 36, told Chicago police that he was attacked in the middle of the night on Jan. 29, claiming that two masked men shouted homophobic and racist abuse at him, beat his face, threw bleach on him, hung a noose around his neck and yelled, "This is MAGA country," a reference to President Trump's campaign slogan.
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Apologies for what? There is no report saying there was no fraud. Just this:silverscreenselect wrote:I'm also waiting for all the apologies from Fox News and various right wing sources that got on his case. Did Trump say anything about him?Bob78164 wrote:This must mean that he didn’t falsely report an attack. After all, the evidence does not establish that a crime was committed. I call upon the producers of “Empire” to restore Mr. Smollett’s position on the show and I apologize to him for my misunderstanding of the evidence against him. —BobVandal wrote:Charges dropped against 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/peo ... 276106002/
I read this as a plea agreement that Smollett gives up his bond ($10,000) and they drop the charges. It stinks, something isn't right, but in no way is anyone saying the charges were inappropriate or that he did not commit fraud.After reviewing all of the facts and circumstances of the case, including Mr. Smollett’s volunteer service in the community and agreement to forfeit his bond to the City of Chicago, we believe this outcome is a just disposition and appropriate resolution to this case,"
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I actually agree with him.
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel Calls Jussie Smollett’s Dropped Charges a ‘Whitewash of Justice’
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel Calls Jussie Smollett’s Dropped Charges a ‘Whitewash of Justice’
“If he wanted to clear his name the way to do that was in a court of law so that everyone could see the evidence,” said Johnson. Added Emanuel: “Mr. Smollett is still saying that he is innocent, still running down the Chicago Police department. How dare him. How dare him. After everybody saw – and I want to remind you, this is not the Superintendent’s word against his – a grand jury, a sliver of the evidence, and they came to a conclusion. As did the State’s Attorney’s office.”
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Prosecutors began calling witnesses on Tuesday at the trial of actor Jussie Smollett, who is accused of lying to Chicago police when he claimed he was the victim of a racist and homophobic attack in January 2019.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jussie-smo ... =142351895
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I just don't see how Smollett can get a fair trial in MAGA country.Vandal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:57 amProsecutors began calling witnesses on Tuesday at the trial of actor Jussie Smollett, who is accused of lying to Chicago police when he claimed he was the victim of a racist and homophobic attack in January 2019.
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I hear Fox New is also waiting for all the apologies from SSS and various left wing nuts that got on their case. Did Biden say anything about him?jarnon wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 5:58 pmJussie Smollett Convicted Of 5 Of 6 Counts Of Orchestrating Fake Hate Crime Against Himself
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Y'all still calling on Empire's producers and awaiting apologies, or nah?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:47 amI'm also waiting for all the apologies from Fox News and various right wing sources that got on his case. Did Trump say anything about him?Bob78164 wrote:This must mean that he didn’t falsely report an attack. After all, the evidence does not establish that a crime was committed. I call upon the producers of “Empire” to restore Mr. Smollett’s position on the show and I apologize to him for my misunderstanding of the evidence against him. —BobVandal wrote:Charges dropped against 'Empire' actor Jussie Smollett
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/peo ... 276106002/
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Actor Jussie Smollett was sentenced to 150 days in jail and 30 months probation yesterday, three months after he was convicted on five of six felony counts of disorderly conduct for lying to police. The judge denied a motion by defense attorneys requesting to throw out the verdict. Smollett will have to pay the city of Chicago over $120K in restitution with an additional $25K fine. Chicago officials had asked for over $130K.
Smollett claimed he was attacked while walking outside late at night by two men who assaulted him, yelling racist and homophobic slurs while invoking references to then-President Donald Trump. Police identified the attackers as two acquaintances of Smollett's, Abimbola and Olabinjo Osundairo, who said the actor paid them $3,500 to carry out a false attack. Smollett, 39, denied the claims and alleged the Osundairo brothers attempted to extort him, demanding $1M apiece to change their story.
Supporters of Smollett, including actor Samuel L. Jackson, sent dozens of letters to the judge vouching for his character.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/j ... e/2780255/
Smollett claimed he was attacked while walking outside late at night by two men who assaulted him, yelling racist and homophobic slurs while invoking references to then-President Donald Trump. Police identified the attackers as two acquaintances of Smollett's, Abimbola and Olabinjo Osundairo, who said the actor paid them $3,500 to carry out a false attack. Smollett, 39, denied the claims and alleged the Osundairo brothers attempted to extort him, demanding $1M apiece to change their story.
Supporters of Smollett, including actor Samuel L. Jackson, sent dozens of letters to the judge vouching for his character.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/j ... e/2780255/
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Jussie Smollett’s conviction in hoax attack overturned by state supreme court
Same as what happened to Bill Cosby here in Montgomery County. Prosecutors should be very careful about any deal they make with a defendant. Courts will force them (and their successors) to honor it even if their fingers were crossed.Illinois Supreme Court wrote:We are aware that this case has generated significant public interest and that many people were dissatisfied with the resolution of the original case and believed it to be unjust. Nevertheless, what would be more unjust than the resolution of any one criminal case would be a holding from this court that the State was not bound to honor agreements upon which people have detrimentally relied.
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Some folks are going to think he was let off on a "technicality", but this is an issue of fundamental fairness and simple enforcement of traditional contract law.
The DA should never have made the agreement not to prosecute, but once it was made and Smollett fulfilled his part of the agreement, the State must be bound by it.
The DA should never have made the agreement not to prosecute, but once it was made and Smollett fulfilled his part of the agreement, the State must be bound by it.
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I agree, but since there was a trial and conviction, at least the truth is out there, even if the conviction is overturned. I agree, given the circumstances, that the prosecution should not have happened, but I'm glad it did.TheCalvinator24 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:53 pmSome folks are going to think he was let off on a "technicality", but this is an issue of fundamental fairness and simple enforcement of traditional contract law.
The DA should never have made the agreement not to prosecute, but once it was made and Smollett fulfilled his part of the agreement, the State must be bound by it.
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Agreed.TheCalvinator24 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 2:53 pmSome folks are going to think he was let off on a "technicality", but this is an issue of fundamental fairness and simple enforcement of traditional contract law.
The DA should never have made the agreement not to prosecute, but once it was made and Smollett fulfilled his part of the agreement, the State must be bound by it.
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Add Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to the list. Military prosecutors made a deal with Khalid and his henchmen Walid and Mustafa to plead guilty and avoid the death penalty. Now they’re trying to back out of it. When will they learn they can’t welch on a plea deal, even with the worst scum of the earth?jarnon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2024 12:08 pmJussie Smollett’s conviction in hoax attack overturned by state supreme courtSame as what happened to Bill Cosby here in Montgomery County. Prosecutors should be very careful about any deal they make with a defendant. Courts will force them (and their successors) to honor it even if their fingers were crossed.Illinois Supreme Court wrote:We are aware that this case has generated significant public interest and that many people were dissatisfied with the resolution of the original case and believed it to be unjust. Nevertheless, what would be more unjust than the resolution of any one criminal case would be a holding from this court that the State was not bound to honor agreements upon which people have detrimentally relied.
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