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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 17535b0a4d
>>>Latin America is home to just 8 percent of the world's population, but 33 percent of its homicides. In fact, just four countries in the region — Brazil, Colombia, Mexico and Venezuela — account for a quarter of all the murders on Earth. Of the 20 countries in the world with the highest murder rates, 17 are Latin American, as are 43 of the top 50 cities.<<<
Can we at least acknowledge that Latin America is an extremely violent place and that we should be very vigilant on who we let in to the US?
>>>Latin America is home to just 8 percent of the world's population, but 33 percent of its homicides. In fact, just four countries in the region — Brazil, Colombia, Mexico and Venezuela — account for a quarter of all the murders on Earth. Of the 20 countries in the world with the highest murder rates, 17 are Latin American, as are 43 of the top 50 cities.<<<
Can we at least acknowledge that Latin America is an extremely violent place and that we should be very vigilant on who we let in to the US?
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Sure. I wonder which of these people are the murderers who shouldn't be allowed in the country.Spock wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 17535b0a4d
>>>Latin America is home to just 8 percent of the world's population, but 33 percent of its homicides. In fact, just four countries in the region — Brazil, Colombia, Mexico and Venezuela — account for a quarter of all the murders on Earth. Of the 20 countries in the world with the highest murder rates, 17 are Latin American, as are 43 of the top 50 cities.<<<
Can we at least acknowledge that Latin America is an extremely violent place and that we should be very vigilant on who we let in to the US?
It seems to me that the murderers are the ones who would want to stay in Latin America, where (by this report) they're much more likely to get away with it. The people we're getting are those who are fleeing the violence. But I have no problem with keeping people out who have committed violent crimes. --Bob
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Nice! You found a picture with all 10 caravan kids.Bob78164 wrote:I wonder which of these people are the murderers who shouldn't be allowed in the country.
A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
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Odd that your "The Bad Guys Just Stay Away" immigration reform plan didn't work with this guy.Bob78164 wrote:Sure. I wonder which of these people are the murderers who shouldn't be allowed in the country.Spock wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 17535b0a4d
>>>Latin America is home to just 8 percent of the world's population, but 33 percent of its homicides. In fact, just four countries in the region — Brazil, Colombia, Mexico and Venezuela — account for a quarter of all the murders on Earth. Of the 20 countries in the world with the highest murder rates, 17 are Latin American, as are 43 of the top 50 cities.<<<
Can we at least acknowledge that Latin America is an extremely violent place and that we should be very vigilant on who we let in to the US?
It seems to me that the murderers are the ones who would want to stay in Latin America, where (by this report) they're much more likely to get away with it. The people we're getting are those who are fleeing the violence. But I have no problem with keeping people out who have committed violent crimes. --Bob
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Oh, and regarding the picture of the caravan kids.Spock wrote:Odd that your "The Bad Guys Just Stay Away" immigration reform plan didn't work with this guy.Bob78164 wrote:Sure. I wonder which of these people are the murderers who shouldn't be allowed in the country.Spock wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 17535b0a4d
>>>Latin America is home to just 8 percent of the world's population, but 33 percent of its homicides. In fact, just four countries in the region — Brazil, Colombia, Mexico and Venezuela — account for a quarter of all the murders on Earth. Of the 20 countries in the world with the highest murder rates, 17 are Latin American, as are 43 of the top 50 cities.<<<
Can we at least acknowledge that Latin America is an extremely violent place and that we should be very vigilant on who we let in to the US?
It seems to me that the murderers are the ones who would want to stay in Latin America, where (by this report) they're much more likely to get away with it. The people we're getting are those who are fleeing the violence. But I have no problem with keeping people out who have committed violent crimes. --Bob
https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-immi ... icials-say
Or this guy
https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-immi ... aces-judge
Or this guy.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/22/64082445 ... iowa-woman
ad infinitum
Since you view them as slaves to pick fruit, how soon are you going to put them to work in the orchards?
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Not ad infinitum. Not even close. Immigrants, of all kinds, are as a rule more law-abiding than citizens after they reach the country. The difference in crime statistics is statistically significant. You're buying into efforts to "Willie Horton" the entire immigrant community. --BobSpock wrote:Odd that your "The Bad Guys Just Stay Away" immigration reform plan didn't work with this guy.Bob78164 wrote:Sure. I wonder which of these people are the murderers who shouldn't be allowed in the country.Spock wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 17535b0a4d
>>>Latin America is home to just 8 percent of the world's population, but 33 percent of its homicides. In fact, just four countries in the region — Brazil, Colombia, Mexico and Venezuela — account for a quarter of all the murders on Earth. Of the 20 countries in the world with the highest murder rates, 17 are Latin American, as are 43 of the top 50 cities.<<<
Can we at least acknowledge that Latin America is an extremely violent place and that we should be very vigilant on who we let in to the US?
It seems to me that the murderers are the ones who would want to stay in Latin America, where (by this report) they're much more likely to get away with it. The people we're getting are those who are fleeing the violence. But I have no problem with keeping people out who have committed violent crimes. --Bob
https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-immi ... icials-say
Or this guy
https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-immi ... aces-judge
Or this guy.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/22/64082445 ... iowa-woman
ad infinitum
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Accepting your premise for the sake of argument. You are just like SSS in that you have a problem with granularity. In all likelihood, software engineers from India have a much lower crime rate than native-born citizens.Bob78164 wrote:Not ad infinitum. Not even close. Immigrants, of all kinds, are as a rule more law-abiding than citizens after they reach the country. The difference in crime statistics is statistically significant. You're buying into efforts to "Willie Horton" the entire immigrant community. --BobSpock wrote:Odd that your "The Bad Guys Just Stay Away" immigration reform plan didn't work with this guy.Bob78164 wrote:Sure. I wonder which of these people are the murderers who shouldn't be allowed in the country.
It seems to me that the murderers are the ones who would want to stay in Latin America, where (by this report) they're much more likely to get away with it. The people we're getting are those who are fleeing the violence. But I have no problem with keeping people out who have committed violent crimes. --Bob
https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-immi ... icials-say
Or this guy
https://www.foxnews.com/us/illegal-immi ... aces-judge
Or this guy.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/22/64082445 ... iowa-woman
ad infinitum
Does that lower crime rate follow through with the boys from the foothills of the Sierra Madres or the barrios of Bogota? I don't know, but I suspect they have a much higher crime rate than Indian software engineers.
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Did you even read the article? A lot of the violence is gang related with the victims being young men; i.e., gang members shooting other gang members. And the article cites a lack of an effective police force in high crime areas and a whole lot of guns. And the violence is localized in areas that have seen very rapid urbanization.Spock wrote: Can we at least acknowledge that Latin America is an extremely violent place and that we should be very vigilant on who we let in to the US?
So, this is not a matter of "hot Latin blood" leading to random violence, as you seem to be implying (and you'll note that many of the refugees trying to enter this country are fleeing from some of these areas precisely because of the near lawlessness in their home towns).
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While we're at it, how about this guy. Let's have our police start cracking down on creepy looking midwestern white men who might be child molesters and killers.
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OMG, a white man killed somebody. That means we we can't have any standards on who we let in here.silverscreenselect wrote:While we're at it, how about this guy. Let's have our police start cracking down on creepy looking midwestern white men who might be child molesters and killers.
Let's granularize the US a little bit.
I think I am on pretty solid ground that native-born citizens in the Trump counties have a lower crime rate than immigrants,as a whole, in the country.
Things get pretty funky when you look at the crime rates of the native born in the Hillary counties. Obviously, the opposite would be true.
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Well, here's a study of crime rates in Texas, which is about as Trump country as you can get.Spock wrote:
I think I am on pretty solid ground that native-born citizens in the Trump counties have a lower crime rate than immigrants,as a whole, in the country.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 74b157bf72
And my anecdote was for the purpose of showing just how inane your anecdotes were. I guess you missed that bit of subtlety.
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Once again, you have a problem with granularity. Crime rates in Texas, as a whole, tell us nothing. It is the size of many countries.silverscreenselect wrote:Well, here's a study of crime rates in Texas, which is about as Trump country as you can get.Spock wrote:
I think I am on pretty solid ground that native-born citizens in the Trump counties have a lower crime rate than immigrants,as a whole, in the country.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 74b157bf72
And my anecdote was for the purpose of showing just how inane your anecdotes were. I guess you missed that bit of subtlety.
You are considering Texas as a whole. Counties (and even smaller entities) would tell us a lot more. What is the crime rate in the heavy Trump areas in the panhandle VS the heavy Hillary areas in Harris and Dallas Counties and the lower Rio Grande?
Even throwing in Austin (Travis County).Let's go all the way down to precincts level for fun. To better capture the differences within counties such as Harris and Dallas.
The Trump precincts in Texas would have a lower crime rate among the native-born citizens, compared to immigrants, as a whole in the country: and the Hillary precincts would have a higher rate, compared to immigrants, as a whole, in the country
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As far as I can tell, you have no evidence at all for that claim except your own preconception that immigrants are likelier to be lawless. Which is kind of the definition of prejudice. --BobSpock wrote:Once again, you have a problem with granularity. Crime rates in Texas, as a whole, tell us nothing. It is the size of many countries.silverscreenselect wrote:Well, here's a study of crime rates in Texas, which is about as Trump country as you can get.Spock wrote:
I think I am on pretty solid ground that native-born citizens in the Trump counties have a lower crime rate than immigrants,as a whole, in the country.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 74b157bf72
And my anecdote was for the purpose of showing just how inane your anecdotes were. I guess you missed that bit of subtlety.
You are considering Texas as a whole. Counties (and even smaller entities) would tell us a lot more. What is the crime rate in the heavy Trump areas in the panhandle VS the heavy Hillary areas in Harris and Dallas Counties and the lower Rio Grande?
Even throwing in Austin (Travis County).Let's go all the way down to precincts level for fun. To better capture the differences within counties such as Harris and Dallas.
The Trump precincts in Texas would have a lower crime rate among the native-born citizens, compared to immigrants, as a whole in the country: and the Hillary precincts would have a higher rate, compared to immigrants, as a whole, in the country
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I will step step away from the Trump/Hillary split for now.Bob78164 wrote:As far as I can tell, you have no evidence at all for that claim except your own preconception that immigrants are likelier to be lawless. Which is kind of the definition of prejudice. --BobSpock wrote:Once again, you have a problem with granularity. Crime rates in Texas, as a whole, tell us nothing. It is the size of many countries.silverscreenselect wrote:
Well, here's a study of crime rates in Texas, which is about as Trump country as you can get.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 74b157bf72
And my anecdote was for the purpose of showing just how inane your anecdotes were. I guess you missed that bit of subtlety.
You are considering Texas as a whole. Counties (and even smaller entities) would tell us a lot more. What is the crime rate in the heavy Trump areas in the panhandle VS the heavy Hillary areas in Harris and Dallas Counties and the lower Rio Grande?
Even throwing in Austin (Travis County).Let's go all the way down to precincts level for fun. To better capture the differences within counties such as Harris and Dallas.
The Trump precincts in Texas would have a lower crime rate among the native-born citizens, compared to immigrants, as a whole in the country: and the Hillary precincts would have a higher rate, compared to immigrants, as a whole, in the country
I guess I could pretend that the murder/crime rates among the native born citizens in Vermont, North Dakota and the Texas Panhandle are higher than they are among illegal immigrants from Latin America.
I could also pretend that Indian software engineers should be lumped in with people from the most violent cultures in the world and use that data to mask immigrant crimes.
But I would not make life decisions based on those cotton candy and unicorn suppositions.
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No, you just feel better making them based on lifelong prejudices about dark skinned people. You have absolutely nothing to base your opinions on other than gut feelings.Spock wrote: But I would not make life decisions based on those cotton candy and unicorn suppositions.
And I don't think there are a lot of Indian software engineers getting on overcrowded boats trying to sneak into the US. The studies that compare crime results differentiate between lawful and undocumented immigrants.
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Our little corner of Latin America isn’t much better.
Top FBI official says there's a "crisis of violence" in Puerto Rico
The violence stems from gangs, not the form of government or any ethnic tendency.
Top FBI official says there's a "crisis of violence" in Puerto Rico
The violence stems from gangs, not the form of government or any ethnic tendency.
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All the illegal Indian software engineers flew here then have overstayed their visas.silverscreenselect wrote:No, you just feel better making them based on lifelong prejudices about dark skinned people. You have absolutely nothing to base your opinions on other than gut feelings.Spock wrote: But I would not make life decisions based on those cotton candy and unicorn suppositions.
And I don't think there are a lot of Indian software engineers getting on overcrowded boats trying to sneak into the US. The studies that compare crime results differentiate between lawful and undocumented immigrants.
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I had never thought of it this way before, but the safest places in the LA area must be those with the highest level of immigrants from Latin Ameroc
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As with most places, the safest areas of Los Angeles are those with the most money and therefore the quickest police response times. --BobSpock wrote:I had never thought of it this way before, but the safest places in the LA area must be those with the highest level of immigrants from Latin Ameroc
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Oh, you are sooooo compassionate. You are suitably outraged by the separation of innocent families coming here (illegally) fleeing bad conditions in their country.Bob78164 wrote:Sure. I wonder which of these people are the murderers who shouldn't be allowed in the country.Spock wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 17535b0a4d
>>>Latin America is home to just 8 percent of the world's population, but 33 percent of its homicides. In fact, just four countries in the region — Brazil, Colombia, Mexico and Venezuela — account for a quarter of all the murders on Earth. Of the 20 countries in the world with the highest murder rates, 17 are Latin American, as are 43 of the top 50 cities.<<<
Can we at least acknowledge that Latin America is an extremely violent place and that we should be very vigilant on who we let in to the US?
It seems to me that the murderers are the ones who would want to stay in Latin America, where (by this report) they're much more likely to get away with it. The people we're getting are those who are fleeing the violence. But I have no problem with keeping people out who have committed violent crimes. --Bob
Where is your compassion for the families who are PERMANENTLY separated from their loved ones by people who SHOULD NOT EVEN BE IN THIS COUNTRY?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/c ... migration/
Disagree with the number. Point out that trump said there was 62,000. The fact is: if congress would do their fricking job, THERE SHOULD NOT EVEN BE 1 of them.- Taking the data only from these five states, (AZ,CA,NY,TX,FL) and assuming that each person incarcerated for a homicide-related offense is responsible for only one death,
yields 5,400 people killed by illegal aliens.
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So aSSShole, you're now branching out to calling Spock a racist. You are despicable. You have absolutely nothing to base your opinions on other than your own hatefulness.silverscreenselect wrote:No, you just feel better making them based on lifelong prejudices about dark skinned people. You have absolutely nothing to base your opinions on other than gut feelings.Spock wrote: But I would not make life decisions based on those cotton candy and unicorn suppositions.
And I don't think there are a lot of Indian software engineers getting on overcrowded boats trying to sneak into the US. The studies that compare crime results differentiate between lawful and undocumented immigrants.
Your friendly neighborhood racist. On the waiting list to be a nazi. Designated an honorary 'snowflake'. Trolled by the very best, as well as by BJ. Always typical, unlike others.., Fulminator, Hopelessly in the tank for trump... inappropriate... Flocking himself... Probably a tucking sexist, too... All thought comes from the right wing noise machine(TM)... A clear and present threat to The Future Of Our Democracy.. Doesn't understand anything... Made the trump apologist and enabler playoffs... Heathen bastard... Knows nothing about history... Liar.... don't know much about statistics and polling... Nothing at all about biology... Ignorant Bigot... Potential Future Pariah... Big Nerd... Spiraling, Anti-Trans Bigot.. A Lunatic AND a Bigot.. Very Ignorant of the World in General... Sounds deranged... Fake Christian... Weird... has the mind of a child... has paranoid delusions... Simpleton... gullible idiot
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And 1, and 2 and 3-Spock's a racist-Oh, you rhetorical devil you.flockofseagulls104 wrote:So aSSShole, you're now branching out to calling Spock a racist. You are despicable. You have absolutely nothing to base your opinions on other than your own hatefulness.silverscreenselect wrote:No, you just feel better making them based on lifelong prejudices about dark skinned people. You have absolutely nothing to base your opinions on other than gut feelings.Spock wrote: But I would not make life decisions based on those cotton candy and unicorn suppositions.
And I don't think there are a lot of Indian software engineers getting on overcrowded boats trying to sneak into the US. The studies that compare crime results differentiate between lawful and undocumented immigrants.
I thought Indian software engineers were brown, or even black, but I guess that is just me.
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SSS>>>No, you just feel better making them based on lifelong prejudices about dark skinned people<<<
Says the man who has never left a cruise ship itinerary in his life.
Even not including Zimbabwe, I can guarantee you that I have had more genuine contact with the "dark-skinned people" of Latin America and the Caribbean than you have.
Says the man who has never left a cruise ship itinerary in his life.
Even not including Zimbabwe, I can guarantee you that I have had more genuine contact with the "dark-skinned people" of Latin America and the Caribbean than you have.
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You say, "after they reach the country." Not true. They enter against the law and REMAIN against the law, often usurping resources which could be used for our own citizens.Bob78164 wrote:Immigrants, of all kinds, are as a rule more law-abiding than citizens after they reach the country.
A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
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I hope you realize that the members of the "caravan" are entering the country legally.Estonut wrote:You say, "after they reach the country." Not true. They enter against the law and REMAIN against the law, often usurping resources which could be used for our own citizens.Bob78164 wrote:Immigrants, of all kinds, are as a rule more law-abiding than citizens after they reach the country.
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