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#351 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:08 am

Estonut wrote: These errors were first noted by another PhD.
Well, I can tell you as someone who has spent a good bit of time writing and editing that highly intelligent people can and do make a lot of grammatical mistakes, even in books that they work on for months. That's why we have editors who are specialists in grammar and style.[/quote]14 errors in 5 paragraphs? That seems like a lot. Did you even read the analysis? These are not simply typos and dangling participles.

I'd like to see other samples of her writing.[/quote]

I did look at the article, and I would agree that the letter could have been better edited. But I've also seen textbooks I've worked on that have had three people with Masters or higher degrees spend months writing, editing, and reviewing which were then submitted to an independent copywriter who found additional mistakes. It happens. Read the posts around here and you'll find similar errors. I wouldn't call using the phrase "opportune moment" something that only an unintelligent person would use, but, rather, something that a trained editor would probably change. I doubt Dr. Ford had a trained editor look at the letter before sending it off.

The proper use of grammar and style isn't something that comes naturally to a lot of highly educated, intelligent people because it's something that requires care and reflection about each sentence and paragraph. People writing about a very painful moment in their lives aren't likely to give such writing the same care and attention to detail that a trained editor would. That's why if Dr. Ford wrote a memoir about her experience, it would be better edited by a professional publishing house.
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#352 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:11 am

Estonut wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
Estonut wrote:I just found a highly-credible analysis of the letter that Feinstein received. Perhaps this is the reason that Feinstein refused to release for months.

BOMBSHELL: Christine Blasey Ford’s letter to Sen. Dianne Feinstein revealed to be a total FAKE… contains 14 glaring errors that could only be committed by a poorly educated writer

These errors were first noted by another PhD.
Well, I can tell you as someone who has spent a good bit of time writing and editing that highly intelligent people can and do make a lot of grammatical mistakes, even in books that they work on for months. That's why we have editors who are specialists in grammar and style.
14 errors in 5 paragraphs? That seems like a lot. Did you even read the analysis? These are not simply typos and dangling participles.

I'd like to see other samples of her writing.
I've received sloppier e-mails from lawyers. Calling the letter a fake on that basis is complete bullshit, particularly in light of her testimony, which sure didn't sound faked to me. --Bob
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#353 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:17 am

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Estonut wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:Well, I can tell you as someone who has spent a good bit of time writing and editing that highly intelligent people can and do make a lot of grammatical mistakes, even in books that they work on for months. That's why we have editors who are specialists in grammar and style.
14 errors in 5 paragraphs? That seems like a lot. Did you even read the analysis? These are not simply typos and dangling participles.

I'd like to see other samples of her writing.
I've received sloppier e-mails from lawyers. Calling the letter a fake on that basis is complete bullshit, particularly in light of her testimony, which sure didn't sound faked to me. --Bob
And if Dr. Ford didn't write the letter, do you think she entrusted the details to some low-level Feinstein staffer to write? Or that the same staffer invented it on his or her own and affixed Dr. Ford's signature to it?
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#354 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:37 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
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Estonut wrote:14 errors in 5 paragraphs? That seems like a lot. Did you even read the analysis? These are not simply typos and dangling participles.

I'd like to see other samples of her writing.
I've received sloppier e-mails from lawyers. Calling the letter a fake on that basis is complete bullshit, particularly in light of her testimony, which sure didn't sound faked to me. --Bob
And if Dr. Ford didn't write the letter, do you think she entrusted the details to some low-level Feinstein staffer to write? Or that the same staffer invented it on his or her own and affixed Dr. Ford's signature to it?
If it was fake, it would have been written better.
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#355 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:39 am

My Senator, Jeff Flake, just released a statement saying he'll vote for Kavanaugh's confirmation.
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#356 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:21 am

Brett Kavanaugh has lost two supporters:

American Bar Association Urges FBI Inquiry into Kavanaugh as Jesuits Withdraw Endorsement

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/us/p ... n-fbi.html

And Jeff Flake has now acquired the video that's going to define him for the rest of his life:

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#357 Post by frogman042 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:36 am

I'm trying to make this request apolitical - I just want some honest answers - you don't have to publicly answer but I would like folks to think about it.

Note, I thought of this on my own - I'm not sure if anyone raised this elsewhere.

Do you remember your first 'real' i.e. romantic kiss you ever had?
If so, do you remember who you shared it with?
Do you remember the year it happened?
Do you remember the month or exact date?
Do you remember the time of day or even if it was morning, afternoon or evening?
Do you remember the precise location?
Do you remember how you got to that location and how you left the location?
Do you remember if there was anyone else present and if so who they were?
Do you remember what either you or the other person was wearing?
Could you provide a percentage of certainty to each of your answers, for example can you say for certain you had a first romantic kiss and the name of the person was 100% but had any or all of the remaining questions less then 100% or no recollection of the answer?
Do you think the inability to remember the latter questions should call into question the certainty of remembering with whom you shared that first kiss with?

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#358 Post by tlynn78 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:45 am

Do you remember your first 'real' i.e. romantic kiss you ever had? Yes
If so, do you remember who you shared it with? Rip Theil
Do you remember the year it happened? 1973
Do you remember the month or exact date? August 23rd
Do you remember the time of day or even if it was morning, afternoon or evening? 9 pm-ish
Do you remember the precise location? Side yard of his house on Burlington (700 block, I'd have to think to get the exact address)
Do you remember how you got to that location and how you left the location? walked
Do you remember if there was anyone else present and if so who they were? his sister, my brother, my good friend, her sister, and some others I didn't know.
Do you remember what either you or the other person was wearing? jeans and a dark t-shirt (both of us)
Could you provide a percentage of certainty to each of your answers, for example can you say for certain you had a first romantic kiss and the name of the person was 100% but had any or all of the remaining questions less then 100% or no recollection of the answer? 100% for every question. I could answer the same/similar questions regarding my molestation experiences, with the same certainty, but will not do so here.
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#359 Post by tlynn78 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:27 am

"What could she possibly have to gain?"

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#360 Post by BackInTex » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:19 am

frogman042 wrote:I'm trying to make this request apolitical - I just want some honest answers - you don't have to publicly answer but I would like folks to think about it.

Note, I thought of this on my own - I'm not sure if anyone raised this elsewhere.

Do you remember your first 'real' i.e. romantic kiss you ever had?
If so, do you remember who you shared it with?
Do you remember the year it happened?
Do you remember the month or exact date?
Do you remember the time of day or even if it was morning, afternoon or evening?
Do you remember the precise location?
Do you remember how you got to that location and how you left the location?
Do you remember if there was anyone else present and if so who they were?
Do you remember what either you or the other person was wearing?
Could you provide a percentage of certainty to each of your answers, for example can you say for certain you had a first romantic kiss and the name of the person was 100% but had any or all of the remaining questions less then 100% or no recollection of the answer?
Do you think the inability to remember the latter questions should call into question the certainty of remembering with whom you shared that first kiss with?
No, because it was the first of many. And it wasn't traumatic (for me anyway).

I don't remember the first time I saw rain or felt a strong gust of wind. But I do remember every single hurricane I've been through. I can give you the month and year, where I rode each storm out, and who I rode it out with. I can tell you details of the days before, the day of, and several days after.

The first was in August 1983, about the same time as the alleged incident with Ford. I rode it out in my apartment on Gessner in southwest Houston. My roommate Steve and I were there alone. I spent the previous evening with my college roommate Darrell. We watched the radar images on tv and ran outside to watch as bands were approaching. I parked my new car on the 3rd floor of a nearby parking garage so it wouldn't flood. I drove my girlfriend's car as she was in Germany on a trip with her mother. I remember many many many things about the day before Alicia hit, the day Alicia hit, and the following several day. It was a big event in my life. It impacted my life. I remember it. Next?
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#361 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:00 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:Brett Kavanaugh has lost two supporters:

American Bar Association Urges FBI Inquiry into Kavanaugh as Jesuits Withdraw Endorsement

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/us/p ... n-fbi.html

And Jeff Flake has now acquired the video that's going to define him for the rest of his life:

It may have moved him. Apparently his vote in Committee was on condition that the floor vote be delayed a week so the FBI can investigate. I'm not sure a week is quite long enough to determine whether there's more to investigate, but it's certainly a step in the right direction.

I will say that if the FBI gets a full and fair opportunity to investigate the allegations, it will be appropriate to move to a vote. I'd be a no vote for lots of reasons, including that in the absence of further evidence I believe her and don't believe him, but at least they'd have tried to get to the truth. --Bob
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#362 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:56 pm

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silverscreenselect wrote:Brett Kavanaugh has lost two supporters:

American Bar Association Urges FBI Inquiry into Kavanaugh as Jesuits Withdraw Endorsement

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/us/p ... n-fbi.html

And Jeff Flake has now acquired the video that's going to define him for the rest of his life:

It may have moved him. Apparently his vote in Committee was on condition that the floor vote be delayed a week so the FBI can investigate. I'm not sure a week is quite long enough to determine whether there's more to investigate, but it's certainly a step in the right direction.

I will say that if the FBI gets a full and fair opportunity to investigate the allegations, it will be appropriate to move to a vote. I'd be a no vote for lots of reasons, including that in the absence of further evidence I believe her and don't believe him, but at least they'd have tried to get to the truth. --Bob
And now Murkowski as well. With Flake and Murkowski both taking this position, I think the Democratic caucus will remain unified which means that McConnell doesn't have the votes to ram this through without giving the FBI a week. --Bob
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#363 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:10 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:Brett Kavanaugh has lost two supporters:

American Bar Association Urges FBI Inquiry into Kavanaugh as Jesuits Withdraw Endorsement

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/us/p ... n-fbi.html

And Jeff Flake has now acquired the video that's going to define him for the rest of his life:

It may have moved him. Apparently his vote in Committee was on condition that the floor vote be delayed a week so the FBI can investigate. I'm not sure a week is quite long enough to determine whether there's more to investigate, but it's certainly a step in the right direction.

I will say that if the FBI gets a full and fair opportunity to investigate the allegations, it will be appropriate to move to a vote. I'd be a no vote for lots of reasons, including that in the absence of further evidence I believe her and don't believe him, but at least they'd have tried to get to the truth. --Bob
And now Murkowski as well. With Flake and Murkowski both taking this position, I think the Democratic caucus will remain unified which means that McConnell doesn't have the votes to ram this through without giving the FBI a week. --Bob
Foolish move by the rino wing. It is foolish to trust the democrats will be true to any word they give. As I've said, the only reason Kavanaugh is resisting the FBI Investigation is that he KNOWS that the dems will use any information gleaned as a further weapon to assassinate his character even more, but he cn't say that. But he will apparently have to go through it again, as will Dr. Ford. Nothing will be concluded by the FBI report, but there probably will be more stuff the dems can mold into mud to sling. And they will use it to delay even more.

If the dem leadership were not totally corrupt, this FBI report would have been done already, behind closed doors and the information used to decide recommendation or not. But thank the ranking member for this situation.
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#364 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:25 pm

Mark Judge says he'll cooperate
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#365 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:57 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: As I've said, the only reason Kavanaugh is resisting the FBI Investigation is that he KNOWS that the dems will use any information gleaned as a further weapon to assassinate his character even more, but he cn't say that.
I'm glad that you have insight into Kavanaugh's mental processes. The Republican claim that they would have done all this behind closed doors is another way of saying that they would have tried to bury any information they found.
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#366 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:03 pm

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flockofseagulls104 wrote: As I've said, the only reason Kavanaugh is resisting the FBI Investigation is that he KNOWS that the dems will use any information gleaned as a further weapon to assassinate his character even more, but he cn't say that.
I'm glad that you have insight into Kavanaugh's mental processes. The Republican claim that they would have done all this behind closed doors is another way of saying that they would have tried to bury any information they found.
Let's not forget that if they'd just agreed to (or insisted on, as Senators Flake and Murkowski are belatedly doing) an FBI investigation when this first became public, as Democrats requested, the FBI would already have had two weeks instead of one. So if the FBI needs more time to finish the job, that's on the Republicans. --Bob
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#367 Post by Beebs52 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:12 pm

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flockofseagulls104 wrote: As I've said, the only reason Kavanaugh is resisting the FBI Investigation is that he KNOWS that the dems will use any information gleaned as a further weapon to assassinate his character even more, but he cn't say that.
I'm glad that you have insight into Kavanaugh's mental processes. The Republican claim that they would have done all this behind closed doors is another way of saying that they would have tried to bury any information they found.
Let's not forget that if they'd just agreed to (or insisted on, as Senators Flake and Murkowski are belatedly doing) an FBI investigation when this first became public, as Democrats requested, the FBI would already have had two weeks instead of one. So if the FBI needs more time to finish the job, that's on the Republicans. --Bob
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#368 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:31 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Mark Judge says he'll cooperate
Everything to Know About Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh’s Alleged Accomplice

https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/mark-jud ... -know.html
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#369 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:35 pm

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silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote: As I've said, the only reason Kavanaugh is resisting the FBI Investigation is that he KNOWS that the dems will use any information gleaned as a further weapon to assassinate his character even more, but he cn't say that.
I'm glad that you have insight into Kavanaugh's mental processes. The Republican claim that they would have done all this behind closed doors is another way of saying that they would have tried to bury any information they found.
Let's not forget that if they'd just agreed to (or insisted on, as Senators Flake and Murkowski are belatedly doing) an FBI investigation when this first became public, as Democrats requested, the FBI would already have had two weeks instead of one. So if the FBI needs more time to finish the job, that's on the Republicans. --Bob
Oh geez, you are so dense. Let's try this:

IF FEINSTEIN HAD REPORTED THE ALLEGATION WHEN SHE GOT IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED, EVERYONE COULD HAVE BEEN HEARD BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND ALL THE FACTS COULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TOOK PLACE. WE WOULDN'T KNOW DR FORD'S IDENTITY AND HER LIFE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THROWN INTO TURMOIL, AND ALL THE SENATORS ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE KNOWN ALL THE FACTS BEFORE THEY INTERVIEWED HIM.

Why don't you even acknowledge that? Why is everything democrats=good, republicans=bad to you? Is that all you understand? The next time you address this issue, it will be the same thing.

As for knowing Kavanaugh's state of mind, aSSShole, I don't. But that's what I would think in his position, with the assumption he didn't do it. You make a smarmy comment on how presumptuous I am to think I know what's in Kavanaugh's mind, then you go and tell us you know what the republicans mean when they say the exact opposite.
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Re: Kavanaugh

#370 Post by Beebs52 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:39 pm

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flockofseagulls104 wrote:Mark Judge says he'll cooperate
Everything to Know About Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh’s Alleged Accomplice

https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/mark-jud ... -know.html
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#371 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:42 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:Mark Judge says he'll cooperate
Everything to Know About Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh’s Alleged Accomplice

https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/mark-jud ... -know.html
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#372 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:44 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
I'm glad that you have insight into Kavanaugh's mental processes. The Republican claim that they would have done all this behind closed doors is another way of saying that they would have tried to bury any information they found.
Let's not forget that if they'd just agreed to (or insisted on, as Senators Flake and Murkowski are belatedly doing) an FBI investigation when this first became public, as Democrats requested, the FBI would already have had two weeks instead of one. So if the FBI needs more time to finish the job, that's on the Republicans. --Bob
Oh geez, you are so dense. Let's try this:

IF FEINSTEIN HAD REPORTED THE ALLEGATION WHEN SHE GOT IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED, EVERYONE COULD HAVE BEEN HEARD BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND ALL THE FACTS COULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TOOK PLACE. WE WOULDN'T KNOW DR FORD'S IDENTITY AND HER LIFE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THROWN INTO TURMOIL, AND ALL THE SENATORS ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE KNOWN ALL THE FACTS BEFORE THEY INTERVIEWED HIM.

Why don't you even acknowledge that? Why is everything democrats=good, republicans=bad to you? Is that all you understand? The next time you address this issue, it will be the same thing.

As for knowing Kavanaugh's state of mind, aSSShole, I don't. But that's what I would think in his position, with the assumption he didn't do it. You make a smarmy comment on how presumptuous I am to think I know what's in Kavanaugh's mind, then you go and tell us you know what the republicans mean when they say the exact opposite.
Feinstein didn't report the allegation because she was asked not to by Dr. Ford.
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Re: Kavanaugh

#373 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:47 pm

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flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:Let's not forget that if they'd just agreed to (or insisted on, as Senators Flake and Murkowski are belatedly doing) an FBI investigation when this first became public, as Democrats requested, the FBI would already have had two weeks instead of one. So if the FBI needs more time to finish the job, that's on the Republicans. --Bob
Oh geez, you are so dense. Let's try this:

IF FEINSTEIN HAD REPORTED THE ALLEGATION WHEN SHE GOT IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED, EVERYONE COULD HAVE BEEN HEARD BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND ALL THE FACTS COULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TOOK PLACE. WE WOULDN'T KNOW DR FORD'S IDENTITY AND HER LIFE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THROWN INTO TURMOIL, AND ALL THE SENATORS ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE KNOWN ALL THE FACTS BEFORE THEY INTERVIEWED HIM.

Why don't you even acknowledge that? Why is everything democrats=good, republicans=bad to you? Is that all you understand? The next time you address this issue, it will be the same thing.

As for knowing Kavanaugh's state of mind, aSSShole, I don't. But that's what I would think in his position, with the assumption he didn't do it. You make a smarmy comment on how presumptuous I am to think I know what's in Kavanaugh's mind, then you go and tell us you know what the republicans mean when they say the exact opposite.
Feinstein didn't report the allegation because she was asked not to by Dr. Ford.
She didn't want to be named publically. If she didn't want the allegation to be acted on, she never would have reported it to anyone. Feinstein could have accomplished both things. But she chose not to, and it's very likely her staff leaked Dr. Ford's identity.
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#374 Post by Beebs52 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:59 pm

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Bob Juch wrote: Everything to Know About Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh’s Alleged Accomplice

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#375 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:11 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: IF FEINSTEIN HAD REPORTED THE ALLEGATION WHEN SHE GOT IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN INVESTIGATED, EVERYONE COULD HAVE BEEN HEARD BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND ALL THE FACTS COULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TOOK PLACE. WE WOULDN'T KNOW DR FORD'S IDENTITY AND HER LIFE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THROWN INTO TURMOIL, AND ALL THE SENATORS ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE KNOWN ALL THE FACTS BEFORE THEY INTERVIEWED HIM.
Do you really think the Republicans would have seriously investigated or would have released the information? Or would they have tried to bury it as they do with most other inconvenient truths.

The only way the Republicans took this seriously was when the information became public. And based on yesterday's hearing in which Dr. Ford came off like just who she said she was while Kavanaugh came off as a bad Donald Trump impersonator, I can understand why the Republicans wouldn't want their charade to be public.

And by the way, I haven't heard one word from Dr. Ford criticizing what the Democrats have done in this case. Only from "outraged" supporters of Kavanaugh.
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