North Dakota State holds team to no hits--still lose game

[kusch]

To quote nitrah " I am not making this up"

And all runs scored by the opposition in the first inning.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/80 ... &GT1=39002

[christie1111]

I know that technically it was a no hitter, but the hitting a player should count somehow!

[littlebeast13]

This isn't quite as odd as it seems at first. It's happened on numerous occasions throughout all levels of baseball....

I believe Matt Young of the Indians was the last pitcher in the Majors to throw a no-hitter and lose the game. That was back in 1992....

Andy Hawkins threw a no-hitter against the White Sox in 1990 that he lost 4-0!

Of course, neither of these were 9 inning no-hitters since both hard luck pitchers were on the visiting teams at the time (Thus never got to pitch the bottom of the 9th), thus MLB doesn't recognize them as official no-hitters, though it would still count in the team effort....

lb13

[nitrah55]

This isn't quite as odd as it seems at first. It's happened on numerous occasions throughout all levels of baseball....

I believe Matt Young of the Indians was the last pitcher in the Majors to throw a no-hitter and lose the game. That was back in 1992....

Andy Hawkins threw a no-hitter against the White Sox in 1990 that he lost 4-0!

Of course, neither of these were 9 inning no-hitters since both hard luck pitchers were on the visiting teams at the time (Thus never got to pitch the bottom of the 9th), thus MLB doesn't recognize them as official no-hitters, though it would still count in the team effort....

lb13

As I recall, not long after the Andy Hawkins game, MLB re-defined what makes an official no-hitter. I believe they decided a no-hitter would be a game in which only one pitcher appears for the winning team, pitches 9 innings and doesn't give up a hit.

Rain-shortened games, "combined" no-hitters, losing efforts...these are no longer in the record book.

[silverscreenselect]

This isn't quite as odd as it seems at first. It's happened on numerous occasions throughout all levels of baseball....

I believe Matt Young of the Indians was the last pitcher in the Majors to throw a no-hitter and lose the game. That was back in 1992....

Andy Hawkins threw a no-hitter against the White Sox in 1990 that he lost 4-0!

Of course, neither of these were 9 inning no-hitters since both hard luck pitchers were on the visiting teams at the time (Thus never got to pitch the bottom of the 9th), thus MLB doesn't recognize them as official no-hitters, though it would still count in the team effort....

lb13

As I recall, not long after the Andy Hawkins game, MLB re-defined what makes an official no-hitter. I believe they decided a no-hitter would be a game in which only one pitcher appears for the winning team, pitches 9 innings and doesn't give up a hit.

Rain-shortened games, "combined" no-hitters, losing efforts...these are no longer in the record book.

I believe that the rule now reads that the "no-hitter" must be at least nine innings and it must be a complete game. So games in which a pitcher gives up a hit in extra innings are not considered no-hitters, nor is Hawkins' game or other rain shortened games.

However, combined no-hitters still count as do games in which a team scores a run without benefit of a hit as in this college game. A home team pitcher or pitchers could still theoretically lose a no-hitter under current rules, and a visiting team pitcher could theoretically lose an extra-innings no-hitter as well.

When they changed the interpretation as to what constituted a no-hitter a few years back, they purged the record books of non-qualifying games. So Hawkins, Harvey Haddix (who pitched a 12-inning perfect game and lost in the 13th), the rain shortened games and others have been eliminated from the record books.

[Appa23]

To quote nitrah " I am not making this up"

And all runs scored by the opposition in the first inning.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/80 ... &GT1=39002

My Jays are so good that they don't need no stinking hits.


They also feature an All-American ambidextrous relief pitcher, Pat Venditte.

[littlebeast13]

This isn't quite as odd as it seems at first. It's happened on numerous occasions throughout all levels of baseball....

I believe Matt Young of the Indians was the last pitcher in the Majors to throw a no-hitter and lose the game. That was back in 1992....

Andy Hawkins threw a no-hitter against the White Sox in 1990 that he lost 4-0!

Of course, neither of these were 9 inning no-hitters since both hard luck pitchers were on the visiting teams at the time (Thus never got to pitch the bottom of the 9th), thus MLB doesn't recognize them as official no-hitters, though it would still count in the team effort....

lb13

As I recall, not long after the Andy Hawkins game, MLB re-defined what makes an official no-hitter. I believe they decided a no-hitter would be a game in which only one pitcher appears for the winning team, pitches 9 innings and doesn't give up a hit.

Rain-shortened games, "combined" no-hitters, losing efforts...these are no longer in the record book.

I believe that the rule now reads that the "no-hitter" must be at least nine innings and it must be a complete game. So games in which a pitcher gives up a hit in extra innings are not considered no-hitters, nor is Hawkins' game or other rain shortened games.

However, combined no-hitters still count as do games in which a team scores a run without benefit of a hit as in this college game. A home team pitcher or pitchers could still theoretically lose a no-hitter under current rules, and a visiting team pitcher could theoretically lose an extra-innings no-hitter as well.

When they changed the interpretation as to what constituted a no-hitter a few years back, they purged the record books of non-qualifying games. So Hawkins, Harvey Haddix (who pitched a 12-inning perfect game and lost in the 13th), the rain shortened games and others have been eliminated from the record books.

I pointed out that neither of those no-hitters I mentioned is official, yet I was providing examples to show that the feat kusch mentioned (A team can not give up any hits to the opposing team and still lose) has happened before, and at the highest levels of the game.

My favorite example of an unofficial no-hitter happened here in St. Louis. Every good Cardinals fan knows that Bob Forsch threw the only two no-hitters to ever be tossed at the old Busch Stadium. Yet there was one other instance in which a team did not get a hit in an official game at old Busch, and (I'm sure MACRAE remembers this) that was back in 1984 when Expos pitcher Dave Palmer pitched a 5 inning perfect game against the Cards in a game that got rained out in the top of the 6th with the Expos winning 4-0...

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1984/B04212SLN1984.htm

I'm not sure if MLB actually counted this game even before the post-Hawkins rule change, but it would've gotten someone a killer point total in the BBBL for just 5 innings of work....

lb13