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Trump vs. The First Amendment

#1 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:27 pm

Donald wants to "open up" libel laws so he can more easily sue news organizations that publish stories about him he doesn't like. He's probably not aware that current restrictions on libel laws, as applied to public figures, are required by the First Amendment. This being the Donald, he may well be unaware that there is a First Amendment. --Bob
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Re: Trump vs. The First Amendment

#2 Post by Pastor Fireball » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:59 am

Bob78164 wrote:Donald wants to "open up" libel laws so he can more easily sue news organizations that publish stories about him he doesn't like. He's probably not aware that current restrictions on libel laws, as applied to public figures, are required by the First Amendment. This being the Donald, he may well be unaware that there is a First Amendment. --Bob
The neon-orange colostomy bag apparently hasn't realized the most important thing: You can't win any libel suits when the news organizations publish the truth about you.
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Re: Trump vs. The First Amendment

#3 Post by BackInTex » Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:03 am

He doesn't realize it is a two way street. Its apparent he has not been on two way streets in a long time, if ever.

Much of what he says about people is libel, as much or more than what folks say about him is.
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Re: Trump vs. The First Amendment

#4 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:33 am

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula thanks you for your concern
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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#5 Post by Jeemie » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:40 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Nakoula Basseley Nakoula thanks you for your concern
Um...this is relevant...how?
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Re: Trump vs. The First Amendment

#7 Post by elwoodblues » Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:10 pm

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Re: Trump vs. The First Amendment

#8 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:47 pm

Jeemie wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Nakoula Basseley Nakoula thanks you for your concern
Um...this is relevant...how?
Actual abuse of political power
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: Trump vs. The First Amendment

#9 Post by Spock » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:51 pm

Jeemie wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Nakoula Basseley Nakoula thanks you for your concern
Um...this is relevant...how?
Maybe, a better question is "How is it not relevant?"
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Re: Trump vs. The First Amendment

#10 Post by Jeemie » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:09 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Jeemie wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Nakoula Basseley Nakoula thanks you for your concern
Um...this is relevant...how?
Actual abuse of political power
While I agree he was a patsy, he made it easy for the government to do so by getting a criminal record before he released the video.

But it's not a case of abuse of his First Amendment rights.
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