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BackInTex
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by BackInTex » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:05 am
We are SO paranoid. No reason to be.
Its O.K. folks. Just move along. Nothing to see here. Nothing to fear. We have your best interests in mind, all the time.
the FBI is operating a small air force with scores of low-flying planes across the country carrying video and, at times, cellphone surveillance technology — all hidden behind fictitious companies that are fronts for the government,
The planes' surveillance equipment is generally used without a judge's approval,
U.S. law enforcement officials confirmed for the first time the wide-scale use of the aircraft, which the AP traced to at least 13 fake companies,
But the planes can capture video of unrelated criminal activity on the ground that could be handed over for prosecutions.
Some of the aircraft can also be equipped with technology that can identify thousands of people below through the cellphones they carry, even if they're not making a call or in public. Officials said that practice, which mimics cell towers and gets phones to reveal basic subscriber information, is rare.
But they do do it.
Details confirmed by the FBI track closely with published reports since at least 2003 that a government surveillance program might be behind suspicious-looking planes slowly circling neighborhoods.
Black helicopters....INDEED!
..what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms.
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War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
-- Benjamin Franklin (maybe)
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themanintheseersuckersuit
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by themanintheseersuckersuit » Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:09 am
So BiT have your ever read Killing Pablo: The Hunt for the World's Greatest Outlaw by Mark Bowman. That is were I first heard of these kinds of aircraft.
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Bob Juch
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by Bob Juch » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:21 am
From that article:
The planes' surveillance equipment is generally used without a judge's approval, and the FBI said the flights are used for specific, ongoing investigations.
"The FBI's aviation program is not secret," spokesman Christopher Allen said in a statement. "Specific aircraft and their capabilities are protected for operational security purposes." Allen added that the FBI's planes "are not equipped, designed or used for bulk collection activities or mass surveillance."
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O'Bummer
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by O'Bummer » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:42 am
We didn't want all that surveillance equipment from the previous administration to just sit around and collect dust. I call that government efficiency!
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tlynn78
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by tlynn78 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:44 pm
Bob Juch wrote:From that article:
The planes' surveillance equipment is generally used without a judge's approval, and the FBI said the flights are used for specific, ongoing investigations.
"The FBI's aviation program is not secret," spokesman Christopher Allen said in a statement. "Specific aircraft and their capabilities are protected for operational security purposes." Allen added that the FBI's planes "are not equipped, designed or used for bulk collection activities or mass surveillance."
That's freakin' hysterical!
When reality requires approval, control replaces truth.
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. -Thomas Paine
You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. -Ayn Rand
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
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BackInTex
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by BackInTex » Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:54 pm
And the hits just keep on coming folks.
Secret tests on the entire civilian population of San Francisco
Yep, if you suspect the government may be up to no good, or even just want to make sure everything is on the up and up (i.e. trust but verify), you are a lunatic. Go on about your daily business. Ignore them.
..what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms.
~~ Thomas Jefferson
War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
-- Benjamin Franklin (maybe)
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Bob78164
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by Bob78164 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:47 pm
BackInTex wrote:And the hits just keep on coming folks.
Secret tests on the entire civilian population of San Francisco
Yep, if you suspect the government may be up to no good, or even just want to make sure everything is on the up and up (i.e. trust but verify), you are a lunatic. Go on about your daily business. Ignore them.
You do realize that this experiment was conducted 65 years ago. I think we've gotten better about civil liberties since then. --Bob
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
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BackInTex
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by BackInTex » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:27 am
Bob78164 wrote:You do realize that this experiment was conducted 65 years ago. I think we've gotten better about civil liberties since then. --Bob
I know the timeline. I believe you are wrong about the civil liberties. There may have been periods since that were improved, but the pendulum has swung back the other way. I think the government feels it can do whatever it wants to in the name of "protecting or providing for the citizens".
..what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms.
~~ Thomas Jefferson
War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
-- Benjamin Franklin (maybe)
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by silverscreenselect » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:45 am
Bob78164 wrote: You do realize that this experiment was conducted 65 years ago. I think we've gotten better about civil liberties since then. --Bob
Two words Bob
Patriot
Act
'nuff said.
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by Bob Juch » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:46 am
BackInTex wrote:Bob78164 wrote:You do realize that this experiment was conducted 65 years ago. I think we've gotten better about civil liberties since then. --Bob
I know the timeline. I believe you are wrong about the civil liberties. There may have been periods since that were improved, but the pendulum has swung back the other way. I think the government feels it can do whatever it wants to in the name of "protecting or providing for the citizens".
Are you going to be one of the Jade Helm monitors?
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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BackInTex
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by BackInTex » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:18 am
Bob Juch wrote:Are you going to be one of the Jade Helm monitors?
No, I have a real job.
..what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms.
~~ Thomas Jefferson
War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
-- Benjamin Franklin (maybe)
