Hillary Clinton for President

[flockofseagulls104]

I wasn't sure what the people who knew everything about everything had decided on this issue.

I'm surprised; usually Fox News is much clearer about what you should and shouldn't do. They have to keep it pretty basic so that the bulk of their target audience can understand.

Why are you surprised? The people who know everything about everything settled long ago that Faux News is a joke and only suitable for mouth breathers, not good, forthright, compassionate, open minded people like you. It's irrelevant what the mouth breathers think, so why should you even be concerned, much less surprised?

[Bob78164]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... paign=1490

What does this have to do with anything? It's not single-payer. It's nationalized medicine. No one in America has ever proposed that (for anyone except veterans). --Bob

OH! Single payer is the panacea for all our problems, not nationalized medicine! I am so glad you cleared that up for me. I wasn't sure what the people who knew everything about everything had decided on this issue.

You have a problem with Medicare's efficiency? Or its expense? Do you know anyone who has Medicare who would rather do without it? --Bob

[BackInTex]

Do you know anyone who has Medicare who would rather do without it? --Bob

That is an irrelevant question for the argument.

[Bob78164]

Do you know anyone who has Medicare who would rather do without it? --Bob

That is an irrelevant question for the argument.

No it's not. Medicare is a single-payer system. --Bob

[BackInTex]

Do you know anyone who has Medicare who would rather do without it? --Bob

That is an irrelevant question for the argument.

No it's not. Medicare is a single-payer system. --Bob

It doesn't matter the source. Your question was about whether or not someone as a recipient of something for free would rather do without it. The arguments should be on the supply side, not the receiving side when it comes to delivery. Service on the delivery side is a different issue.

[Bob78164]

No it's not. Medicare is a single-payer system. --Bob

It doesn't matter the source. Your question was about whether or not someone as a recipient of something for free would rather do without it. The arguments should be on the supply side, not the receiving side when it comes to delivery. Service on the delivery side is a different issue.

Medicare isn't free. --Bob

[Bob Juch]

No it's not. Medicare is a single-payer system. --Bob

It doesn't matter the source. Your question was about whether or not someone as a recipient of something for free would rather do without it. The arguments should be on the supply side, not the receiving side when it comes to delivery. Service on the delivery side is a different issue.

Medicare isn't free. --Bob

I'm on Medicare Part A as of yesterday. I've been paying for it. Part B, C, and D are extra cost but I don't need them yet as I'm covered by my work insurance.

[BackInTex]

No it's not. Medicare is a single-payer system. --Bob

It doesn't matter the source. Your question was about whether or not someone as a recipient of something for free would rather do without it. The arguments should be on the supply side, not the receiving side when it comes to delivery. Service on the delivery side is a different issue.

Medicare isn't free. --Bob

If I get a dozen apples but only have to pay the price for 4, I'm getting 8 free.

[Bob78164]

Medicare isn't free. --Bob

If I get a dozen apples but only have to pay the price for 4, I'm getting 8 free.

Not if you paid for the other 8 throughout your working life. --Bob

[BackInTex]

Not if you paid for the other 8 throughout your working life. --Bob

What one pays throughout their life for Medicare does not factor into what they get in benefits, or even what they have to pay. Only the last couple of years matter. And if you paid in more (i.e. higher salaried person) you have to pay more than someone who contributed less. So it is essentially a sunk cost at retirement. If you die, no one gets your 'unused benefit'. So no, no one has really paid for their subsidized medical coverage called Medicare.

But let's go with that premise that we are getting something because we paid into it. That changes the question "Do you know anyone who has Medicare who would rather do without it?" to "Do you know anyone who is not happy with the costs and care they get with Medicare based on the costs they've paid in over the years?". That answer would be a resounding "YES".

[Bob Juch]

[Bob78164]

Not if you paid for the other 8 throughout your working life. --Bob

What one pays throughout their life for Medicare does not factor into what they get in benefits, or even what they have to pay. Only the last couple of years matter. And if you paid in more (i.e. higher salaried person) you have to pay more than someone who contributed less. So it is essentially a sunk cost at retirement. If you die, no one gets your 'unused benefit'. So no, no one has really paid for their subsidized medical coverage called Medicare.

But let's go with that premise that we are getting something because we paid into it. That changes the question "Do you know anyone who has Medicare who would rather do without it?" to "Do you know anyone who is not happy with the costs and care they get with Medicare based on the costs they've paid in over the years?". That answer would be a resounding "YES".

Want your political career to die a quick death? Mess with Medicare. That tells me that the vast majority of people who have it like it. And that, in turn, tells me that single-payer has worked for approximately half a century. And counting. --Bob

[tlynn78]

Not if you paid for the other 8 throughout your working life. --Bob

What one pays throughout their life for Medicare does not factor into what they get in benefits, or even what they have to pay. Only the last couple of years matter. And if you paid in more (i.e. higher salaried person) you have to pay more than someone who contributed less. So it is essentially a sunk cost at retirement. If you die, no one gets your 'unused benefit'. So no, no one has really paid for their subsidized medical coverage called Medicare.

But let's go with that premise that we are getting something because we paid into it. That changes the question "Do you know anyone who has Medicare who would rather do without it?" to "Do you know anyone who is not happy with the costs and care they get with Medicare based on the costs they've paid in over the years?". That answer would be a resounding "YES".

Want your political career to die a quick death? Mess with Medicare. That tells me that the vast majority of people who have it like it. And that, in turn, tells me that single-payer has worked for approximately half a century. And counting. --Bob

That tells me that vast majority don't know what they're voting for, or against.

[Bob Juch]

What one pays throughout their life for Medicare does not factor into what they get in benefits, or even what they have to pay. Only the last couple of years matter. And if you paid in more (i.e. higher salaried person) you have to pay more than someone who contributed less. So it is essentially a sunk cost at retirement. If you die, no one gets your 'unused benefit'. So no, no one has really paid for their subsidized medical coverage called Medicare.

But let's go with that premise that we are getting something because we paid into it. That changes the question "Do you know anyone who has Medicare who would rather do without it?" to "Do you know anyone who is not happy with the costs and care they get with Medicare based on the costs they've paid in over the years?". That answer would be a resounding "YES".

Want your political career to die a quick death? Mess with Medicare. That tells me that the vast majority of people who have it like it. And that, in turn, tells me that single-payer has worked for approximately half a century. And counting. --Bob

That tells me that vast majority don't know what they're voting for, or against.

That's true for a lot but fortunately not the majority.

[Bob78164]

What one pays throughout their life for Medicare does not factor into what they get in benefits, or even what they have to pay. Only the last couple of years matter. And if you paid in more (i.e. higher salaried person) you have to pay more than someone who contributed less. So it is essentially a sunk cost at retirement. If you die, no one gets your 'unused benefit'. So no, no one has really paid for their subsidized medical coverage called Medicare.

But let's go with that premise that we are getting something because we paid into it. That changes the question "Do you know anyone who has Medicare who would rather do without it?" to "Do you know anyone who is not happy with the costs and care they get with Medicare based on the costs they've paid in over the years?". That answer would be a resounding "YES".

Want your political career to die a quick death? Mess with Medicare. That tells me that the vast majority of people who have it like it. And that, in turn, tells me that single-payer has worked for approximately half a century. And counting. --Bob

That tells me that vast majority don't know what they're voting for, or against.

Funny. When people say that about voters for Republican candidates, their supporters call them paternalistic or worse.

I think people who vote in favor of Medicare know what they're doing. They just disagree with you. --Bob

[tlynn78]

That tells me that vast majority don't know what they're voting for, or against.[/quote]Funny. When people say that about voters for Republican candidates, their supporters call them paternalistic or worse.

I think people who vote in favor of Medicare know what they're doing. They just disagree with you. --Bob[/quote]

Nope, no blinders on me, Bob. I'm talking both (all) sides of the aisle. But go on generalizing; it's so helpful.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

And now for a message from the Governor of Hawaii
http://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/dcc ... 0-percent/

[Bob Juch]

And now for a message from the Governor of Hawaii
http://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/dcc ... 0-percent/

HMSAS must be doing something wrong as no other company has their problem. Notice the announcement say their request will be carefully scrutinized; it's not a done deal.

[Estonut]

And now for a message from the Governor of Hawaii
http://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/dcc ... 0-percent/

HMSAS must be doing something wrong as no other company has their problem. Notice the announcement say their request will be carefully scrutinized; it's not a done deal.

1) The name of the company you know so much about is HMSA. The last "S" was used to indicate possessive case.

2) No other company? How hard did you look?

[Bob78164]

Now that more data is in, insurance hikes are looking "modest." --Bob

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

HTTPS://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AFVJShWsNok

[Bob Juch]

HTTPS://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AFVJShWsNok

He doesn't stand a chance with that.

[silverscreenselect]

HTTPS://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AFVJShWsNok

He doesn't stand a chance with that.

Marco Rubio.

New face. Old ideas.

[flockofseagulls104]

HTTPS://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AFVJShWsNok

Even if I wanted to, I could not vote for anyone who totally misquotes the lyrics of a Beatles song.

[flockofseagulls104]

HTTPS://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AFVJShWsNok

He doesn't stand a chance with that.

Marco Rubio.

New face. Old ideas.

Explaining how you have new ideas by using 50 year old song lyrics and getting them wrong to boot?