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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#51 Post by silverscreenselect » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:45 pm

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Putin's tactic of talking tough to mask his failings is very much like what the Republicans do here.
Demonizing republicans and conservatives is exactly what the democrat party does to retain power. And it's the only thing they do.
As opposed to the Republicans who can't let a single day go by without demonizing and blaming Obama for everything that's gone wrong since the beginning of time. And the mere fact that people like you and your idol Rush Limbaugh can't even call the Democratic Party by its proper name indicates your mindset.
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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#52 Post by tlynn78 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:04 am

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Putin's tactic of talking tough to mask his failings is very much like what the Republicans do here.
Demonizing republicans and conservatives is exactly what the democrat party does to retain power. And it's the only thing they do.
As opposed to the Republicans who can't let a single day go by without demonizing and blaming Obama for everything that's gone wrong since the beginning of time. And the mere fact that people like you and your idol Rush Limbaugh can't even call the Democratic Party by its proper name indicates your mindset.

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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#53 Post by Beebs52 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:43 pm

What the what? Repubs? Democrats? Are you dredging so deep you can't find something better?
Well, then

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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#54 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:56 am

In a meeting with economists this year, Mrs. Clinton intensely studied a chart that showed income inequality in the United States. The graph charted how real wages, adjusted for inflation, had increased exponentially for the wealthiest Americans, making the bar so steep it hardly fit on the chart.

Mrs. Clinton pointed at the top category and said the economy required a “toppling” of the wealthiest 1 percent, according to several people who were briefed on Mrs. Clinton’s policy discussions but could not discuss private conversations for attribution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/us/po ... .html?_r=0
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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#55 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:14 pm

More sound and fury, I guess.

Nothing to see here, it's just the vast right wing conspiracy. Hillary drones can just ignore it.
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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#56 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Tue May 26, 2015 11:24 am

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What did Harry Truman do before becoming President to demonstrate his qualifications for the office? FDR? Richard Nixon? George H.W. Bush? Or George W. Bush? Reagan? Kennedy? LBJ? Eisenhower?

What has Jeb Bush done to demonstrate he's qualified? Rand Paul, who was elected to the Senate from his opthalmalogical practice? Marco Rubio? Name an accomplishment of any of them.

Hillary Clinton was heavily involved in health care policy early, and it took a couple of decades, but we finally have one that approaches sanity. She is well regarded overseas due to her tenure as Secretary of State. She was well respected in the Senate. She is deeply familiar with many parts of the country (including Arkansas). She has decades of public policy experience, and generally reaches the same results I want my elected officials to reach. That's a lot more than many past Presidents (including her husband, whom I regard as a good President) could say at this point in the campaign.

Your turn. What have any of the Republicans who have announced accomplished? --Bob
Bob doesn't think Eisenhower accomplished anything before being President and Obamacare is working well, That is too big a gap for me to bridge.
The first part is not what I said. How does being a successful general demonstrate qualifications for being President? World War II had many successful American generals.

Obamacare is working well. The uninsured rate has dropped considerable and it's coming in substantially cheaper than predicted. When Cathy McMorris Rodgers went to Facebook to solicit horror stories, she was instead deluged by Obamacare success stories (many of them literally lifesaving).

Where is your actual evidence that it's not working? --Bob
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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#57 Post by Bob Juch » Tue May 26, 2015 12:42 pm

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themanintheseersuckersuit wrote: Bob doesn't think Eisenhower accomplished anything before being President and Obamacare is working well, That is too big a gap for me to bridge.
The first part is not what I said. How does being a successful general demonstrate qualifications for being President? World War II had many successful American generals.

Obamacare is working well. The uninsured rate has dropped considerable and it's coming in substantially cheaper than predicted. When Cathy McMorris Rodgers went to Facebook to solicit horror stories, she was instead deluged by Obamacare success stories (many of them literally lifesaving).

Where is your actual evidence that it's not working? --Bob
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2 ... -customers
It sounds like those companies need to stop wasting money. Other insurers have no problems.
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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#58 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Sat May 30, 2015 7:44 pm

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The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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#59 Post by Bob Juch » Sat May 30, 2015 11:37 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:http://www.cnbc.com/id/102707721
That makes a good argument for a single-payer system.
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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#60 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Sun May 31, 2015 8:20 am

Bob Juch wrote: That makes a good argument for a single-payer system.
All our promises about Obamacare turned out to be false. Trust us when we promise that single payer would be awesome

http://politi.co/1C5lCwF
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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#61 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:10 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Bob Juch wrote: That makes a good argument for a single-payer system.
All our promises about Obamacare turned out to be false. Trust us when we promise that single payer would be awesome

http://politi.co/1C5lCwF
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/05/333790- ... ign=buffer
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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#62 Post by Bob78164 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:34 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Bob Juch wrote: That makes a good argument for a single-payer system.
All our promises about Obamacare turned out to be false. Trust us when we promise that single payer would be awesome

http://politi.co/1C5lCwF
Like the promise no one would be unable to get health insurance because of a preexisting condition?

Or maybe you mean the promise that young adults could stay on their parents' policies until age 25.

Or perhaps you mean the Republicans' promise that the Affordable Care Act would bankrupt the country? Oh, wait, they weren't able to keep that promise. In fact, the Affordable Care Act is proving to be even less expensive than predicted. --Bob
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#63 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:38 am

I stand corrected some Obamacare promises were kept.

Do you have any better ones than the ones you listed?
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#64 Post by Bob78164 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:07 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I stand corrected some Obamacare promises were kept.

Do you have any better ones than the ones you listed?
Sure. More than ten million people who didn't used to have health insurance now have it. --Bob
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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#65 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:33 am

Bob78164 wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I stand corrected some Obamacare promises were kept.

Do you have any better ones than the ones you listed?
Sure. More than ten million people who didn't used to have health insurance now have it. --Bob
If the key to better health is insurance, then we're all in great shape.
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#66 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:06 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I stand corrected some Obamacare promises were kept.

Do you have any better ones than the ones you listed?
Sure. More than ten million people who didn't used to have health insurance now have it. --Bob
Not what we were promised (or rather what the CBO projected

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#67 Post by Bob78164 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:44 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I stand corrected some Obamacare promises were kept.

Do you have any better ones than the ones you listed?
Sure. More than ten million people who didn't used to have health insurance now have it. --Bob
Not what we were promised (or rather what the CBO projected

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How much of that shortfall is due to the refusal of Republican states to expand Medicaid? And why are you using numbers that are more than a year old? --Bob
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#68 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:46 pm

is this the chart you want. it shows a decrease from 14.4% to 11.9%


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#69 Post by silverscreenselect » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:52 pm

And how many of those uninsured live in states that refused to expand Medicaid so that they could afford to buy insurance?

According to this chart, about 7 million or so.

http://familiesusa.org/product/50-state ... -expansion
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#70 Post by Bob Juch » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:27 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:is this the chart you want. it shows a decrease from 14.4% to 11.9%


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I'll say that pretty good!

Here's the whole article: http://www.gallup.com/poll/182348/unins ... arter.aspx
The percentage of uninsured Americans climbed from the 14% range in early 2008 to over 17% in 2011, and peaked at 18.0% in the third quarter of 2013. The uninsured rate has dropped sharply since the most significant change to the U.S. healthcare system in the Affordable Care Act -- the provision requiring most Americans to carry health insurance -- took effect at the beginning of 2014. An improving economy and a falling unemployment rate may also have accelerated the steep drop in the percentage of uninsured over the past year. However, the uninsured rate is significantly lower than it was in early 2008, before the depths of the economic recession, suggesting that the recent decline is due to more than just an improving economy.
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#71 Post by Bob78164 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:59 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:is this the chart you want. it shows a decrease from 14.4% to 11.9%


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I'll say that pretty good!

Here's the whole article: http://www.gallup.com/poll/182348/unins ... arter.aspx
The percentage of uninsured Americans climbed from the 14% range in early 2008 to over 17% in 2011, and peaked at 18.0% in the third quarter of 2013. The uninsured rate has dropped sharply since the most significant change to the U.S. healthcare system in the Affordable Care Act -- the provision requiring most Americans to carry health insurance -- took effect at the beginning of 2014. An improving economy and a falling unemployment rate may also have accelerated the steep drop in the percentage of uninsured over the past year. However, the uninsured rate is significantly lower than it was in early 2008, before the depths of the economic recession, suggesting that the recent decline is due to more than just an improving economy.
What I find impressive is that this chart demonstrates that the Affordable Care Act improves economic security for ordinary Americans. Back in the bad old days, losing one's job might well mean losing one's family's health insurance. Now, not so much. The uninsured rate declined even an economy featuring significant underemployment. --Bob
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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#72 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:14 pm

Suitguy is not bitter.

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The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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#73 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:50 am

What does this have to do with anything? It's not single-payer. It's nationalized medicine. No one in America has ever proposed that (for anyone except veterans). --Bob
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Re: Hillary Clinton for President

#74 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:29 am

Bob78164 wrote:
What does this have to do with anything? It's not single-payer. It's nationalized medicine. No one in America has ever proposed that (for anyone except veterans). --Bob
OH! Single payer is the panacea for all our problems, not nationalized medicine! I am so glad you cleared that up for me. I wasn't sure what the people who knew everything about everything had decided on this issue.
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#75 Post by silverscreenselect » Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:44 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: I wasn't sure what the people who knew everything about everything had decided on this issue.
I'm surprised; usually Fox News is much clearer about what you should and shouldn't do. They have to keep it pretty basic so that the bulk of their target audience can understand.
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