RIP Garo Yepremian

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RIP Garo Yepremian

#1 Post by bazodee » Sat May 16, 2015 2:30 pm

Kicker for the undefeated Miami Dolphins team of 1972 has died.

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#2 Post by silverscreenselect » Sat May 16, 2015 5:43 pm

Best known for one of the worst passes in NFL history:

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#3 Post by elwoodblues » Sun May 17, 2015 7:25 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:Best known for one of the worst passes in NFL history:

It was so bad that in the official game statistics it is a fumble rather than an interception.

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#4 Post by SpacemanSpiff » Mon May 18, 2015 4:43 am

He was one of the first "sidewinder" (aka "soccer-style") kickers that came on the scene and changed the kicking game totally.
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Re: RIP Garo Yepremian

#5 Post by TheConfessor » Mon May 18, 2015 2:18 pm

elwoodblues wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:Best known for one of the worst passes in NFL history:

It was so bad that in the official game statistics it is a fumble rather than an interception.

http://www.footballdb.com/games/boxscor ... 1973011401
I didn't matter how good or bad the "pass" was, since it occurred after a blocked field goal attempt, and therefore could never be officially considered a pass.

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#6 Post by silverscreenselect » Mon May 18, 2015 3:53 pm

TheConfessor wrote: I didn't matter how good or bad the "pass" was, since it occurred after a blocked field goal attempt, and therefore could never be officially considered a pass.
No, a blocked kick that does not go past the line of scrimmage may be recovered and advanced by the kicking team by any legal means including a forward pass. If Yepremian had somehow completed the pass for the necessary yardage, Miami would have gotten a first down.

A team that tries a field goal or punt prior to fourth down that is blocked but doesn't go beyond the line of scrimmage still has the remaining downs to make a first down. That's why teams sometimes try field goals in overtime on earlier downs. In 1999, Georgia Tech beat Georgia in overtime in this fashion. Georgia failed to score on its possession, and Tech tried a field goal on third down that was blocked. Tech recovered and then kicked the winning field goal on fourth down.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/nov/28/sports/sp-38510
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Re: RIP Garo Yepremian

#7 Post by TheConfessor » Mon May 18, 2015 4:32 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
TheConfessor wrote: I didn't matter how good or bad the "pass" was, since it occurred after a blocked field goal attempt, and therefore could never be officially considered a pass.
No, a blocked kick that does not go past the line of scrimmage may be recovered and advanced by the kicking team by any legal means including a forward pass. If Yepremian had somehow completed the pass for the necessary yardage, Miami would have gotten a first down.

A team that tries a field goal or punt prior to fourth down that is blocked but doesn't go beyond the line of scrimmage still has the remaining downs to make a first down. That's why teams sometimes try field goals in overtime on earlier downs. In 1999, Georgia Tech beat Georgia in overtime in this fashion. Georgia failed to score on its possession, and Tech tried a field goal on third down that was blocked. Tech recovered and then kicked the winning field goal on fourth down.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/nov/28/sports/sp-38510
Thanks for the clarification. I assumed there was a simpler explanation that took human judgment out of the official scoring. If everything you said is accurate, I don't know why it wasn't called a pass. That was clearly his intention.

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#8 Post by littlebeast13 » Mon May 18, 2015 4:43 pm

TheConfessor wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
TheConfessor wrote: I didn't matter how good or bad the "pass" was, since it occurred after a blocked field goal attempt, and therefore could never be officially considered a pass.
No, a blocked kick that does not go past the line of scrimmage may be recovered and advanced by the kicking team by any legal means including a forward pass. If Yepremian had somehow completed the pass for the necessary yardage, Miami would have gotten a first down.

A team that tries a field goal or punt prior to fourth down that is blocked but doesn't go beyond the line of scrimmage still has the remaining downs to make a first down. That's why teams sometimes try field goals in overtime on earlier downs. In 1999, Georgia Tech beat Georgia in overtime in this fashion. Georgia failed to score on its possession, and Tech tried a field goal on third down that was blocked. Tech recovered and then kicked the winning field goal on fourth down.

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/nov/28/sports/sp-38510
Thanks for the clarification. I assumed there was a simpler explanation that took human judgment out of the official scoring. If everything you said is accurate, I don't know why it wasn't called a pass. That was clearly his intention.

I don't think intent matters.... he lost control of the ball before his arm went forward. That's the difference between an incomplete pass (or interception) and a fumble on any other play.

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Re: RIP Garo Yepremian

#9 Post by TheConfessor » Mon May 18, 2015 4:54 pm

littlebeast13 wrote: I don't think intent matters.... he lost control of the ball before his arm went forward. That's the difference between an incomplete pass (or interception) and a fumble on any other play.

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Yeah, I probably should have watched the clip.

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