http://6abc.com/news/nutter-at-least-5- ... nt/718111/PORT RICHMOND (WPVI) --
At least five people are dead after an Amtrak train derailed in the Port Richmond section of Philadelphia.
"It is an absolute disastrous mess. Never seen anything like this in my life," Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter said during a press conference late Tuesday night along with Fire Commissioner Derrick Sawyer and Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey.
Deadly Amtrak wreck in Philly
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Deadly Amtrak wreck in Philly
Tragic and extremely rare event for the northeast corridor, cause still undetermined but not a grade crossing as there are none in the area:
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I immediately thought of you when I heard this story. I'm glad you weren't on the train.
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My BFF regularly travels to Iowa via Amtrak and recently went to San Francisco the same way. I love that she does this because it always feels so safe. I'll be looking forward to learning about whatever caused the derailment.MarleysGh0st wrote:I immediately thought of you when I heard this story. I'm glad you weren't on the train.
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The "black box" recorded that the train was going over 100 MPH, over twice the speed limit.
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50 is the speed at which the curve is rated, not the general speed limit.Bob Juch wrote:The "black box" recorded that the train was going over 100 MPH, over twice the speed limit.
A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
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I believe the guy when he says he doesn't remember the train going that fast. I think he was asleep.
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He couldn't have been asleep because he was on the phone with the SEPTA engineer shortly before the crash. Other crew members heard them and told the NTSB.SportsFan68 wrote:I believe the guy when he says he doesn't remember the train going that fast. I think he was asleep.
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It will all get sorted out eventually. Now they're trying to blame someone throwing rocks.mellytu74 wrote:He couldn't have been asleep because he was on the phone with the SEPTA engineer shortly before the crash. Other crew members heard them and told the NTSB.SportsFan68 wrote:I believe the guy when he says he doesn't remember the train going that fast. I think he was asleep.
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That's what he was on the phone with the SEPTA engineer. Windows shattered by projectiles.Bob Juch wrote:It will all get sorted out eventually. Now they're trying to blame someone throwing rocks.mellytu74 wrote:He couldn't have been asleep because he was on the phone with the SEPTA engineer shortly before the crash. Other crew members heard them and told the NTSB.SportsFan68 wrote:I believe the guy when he says he doesn't remember the train going that fast. I think he was asleep.
I am not sure if "they're trying to blame someone throwing rocks" or if there is more to it. That's why the FBI is investigating.
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So he was on the phone so didn't notice he was going faster than the 70 MPH speed limit and accelerating going into a 50 MPH curve? I don't buy that.mellytu74 wrote:That's what he was on the phone with the SEPTA engineer. Windows shattered by projectiles.Bob Juch wrote:It will all get sorted out eventually. Now they're trying to blame someone throwing rocks.mellytu74 wrote:He couldn't have been asleep because he was on the phone with the SEPTA engineer shortly before the crash. Other crew members heard them and told the NTSB.
I am not sure if "they're trying to blame someone throwing rocks" or if there is more to it. That's why the FBI is investigating.
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Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
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Re: Deadly Amtrak wreck in Philly
Bob, are you being deliberately obtuse?
That isn't what I said.
I DID say that he was on the phone with the SEPTA engineer shortly before the crash. So he couldn't have been asleep.
YOU said "Now they're trying to blame someone throwing rocks."
I said projectiles was the subject of his conversation with the SEPTA engineer.
AT NO TIME did I say he was on the phone so he didn't notice he was going faster than the 70 MPH speed limit and accelerating going into a 50 MPH curve.
His phone was off and stored. That's been widely reported here.
I don't care what you buy or don't. BECAUSE I DIDN"T SAY IT he was on the phone at the time of the crash.
That isn't what I said.
I DID say that he was on the phone with the SEPTA engineer shortly before the crash. So he couldn't have been asleep.
YOU said "Now they're trying to blame someone throwing rocks."
I said projectiles was the subject of his conversation with the SEPTA engineer.
AT NO TIME did I say he was on the phone so he didn't notice he was going faster than the 70 MPH speed limit and accelerating going into a 50 MPH curve.
His phone was off and stored. That's been widely reported here.
I don't care what you buy or don't. BECAUSE I DIDN"T SAY IT he was on the phone at the time of the crash.
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Yesterday's Los Angeles Times reported that the engineer has a history as an advocate of rail safety. I have no idea what actually happened but my guess is that for some reason it wasn't his fault. --Bob
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After 14 years, I'm not sure anyone here knows the answer to that question yet...mellytu74 wrote:Bob, are you being deliberately obtuse?
My guess is the cause of the train wreck gets solved first....
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Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.