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An Impertinent question (may turn political)

#1 Post by mrkelley23 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:14 pm

Many of my friends are saying that Muslims should not be tarred with the brush of extremists, that these few criminals are not representative of the whole and therefore the peaceful Muslims should not be held accountable for their actions.

Many of the same friends were outraged several months ago when the #NotAllMen movement started.

Many of the same friends thought, several years ago, that the President of the United States should issue an official apology from America to every American of African extraction for slavery.

Can someone explain to me how these last two concepts are different from the first?
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#2 Post by Flybrick » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:37 pm

'Cuz Al Sharpton's gots to get paid...

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Re: An Impertinent question (may turn political)

#3 Post by Beebs52 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:23 pm

These are good questions.
Well, then

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Re: An Impertinent question (may turn political)

#4 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:09 pm

mrkelley23 wrote:Many of my friends are saying that Muslims should not be tarred with the brush of extremists, that these few criminals are not representative of the whole and therefore the peaceful Muslims should not be held accountable for their actions.

Many of the same friends were outraged several months ago when the #NotAllMen movement started.

Many of the same friends thought, several years ago, that the President of the United States should issue an official apology from America to every American of African extraction for slavery.

Can someone explain to me how these last two concepts are different from the first?
I'm not familiar with the #NotAllMen movement.

But the preservation of slavery was, at one time, the official policy of the United States of America, most notoriously in the form of the Fugitive Slave Act. It makes sense to apologize for that, just as it made sense to apologize for the interment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. Not because every American is or was personally responsible, but because via official action we fell short of our ideals. --Bob
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Re: An Impertinent question (may turn political)

#5 Post by BackInTex » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:28 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
mrkelley23 wrote:Many of my friends are saying that Muslims should not be tarred with the brush of extremists, that these few criminals are not representative of the whole and therefore the peaceful Muslims should not be held accountable for their actions.

Many of the same friends were outraged several months ago when the #NotAllMen movement started.

Many of the same friends thought, several years ago, that the President of the United States should issue an official apology from America to every American of African extraction for slavery.

Can someone explain to me how these last two concepts are different from the first?
I'm not familiar with the #NotAllMen movement.

But the preservation of slavery was, at one time, the official policy of the United States of America, most notoriously in the form of the Fugitive Slave Act. It makes sense to apologize for that, just as it made sense to apologize for the interment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. Not because every American is or was personally responsible, but because via official action we fell short of our ideals. --Bob

I'm sorry.


There, now its done. Can we move on now??
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Re: An Impertinent question (may turn political)

#6 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:06 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
mrkelley23 wrote:Many of my friends are saying that Muslims should not be tarred with the brush of extremists, that these few criminals are not representative of the whole and therefore the peaceful Muslims should not be held accountable for their actions.

Many of the same friends were outraged several months ago when the #NotAllMen movement started.

Many of the same friends thought, several years ago, that the President of the United States should issue an official apology from America to every American of African extraction for slavery.

Can someone explain to me how these last two concepts are different from the first?
I'm not familiar with the #NotAllMen movement.

But the preservation of slavery was, at one time, the official policy of the United States of America, most notoriously in the form of the Fugitive Slave Act. It makes sense to apologize for that, just as it made sense to apologize for the interment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. Not because every American is or was personally responsible, but because via official action we fell short of our ideals. --Bob

I'm sorry.


There, now its done. Can we move on now??
Did you get elected President while I wasn't looking? Or maybe you were apologizing on behalf of Texas for George W. Bush. :twisted: --Bob
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Re: An Impertinent question (may turn political)

#7 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:50 am

Did you get elected President while I wasn't looking? Or maybe you were apologizing on behalf of Texas for George W. Bush.

Its sad when people forget history.

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Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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