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Re: Ebola 1, USA 0 - Thomas Duncan has died

#26 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:11 am

BackInTex wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:
BackInTex wrote:
Exactly. He lied to get out of the country and into ours. Those questions at the airport and his likely denial to leave ARE the things that need to be done to control the epicemic. However, if people lie, it won't work. He lied.
I know. I know. I just question is the lie the be all and end all of negligence or criminality in this issue? I rather doubt he's the only lie or sneaker under the radar and that this whole thing is way bigger than blame assessment now. Origin assessment and treatment, yes. But, what do we do about it that is sensible and efficacious. Now. Rather than spend resources suing a dead man.
I'm not suing a dead man. I'm just not giving him a R.I.P.

What we do do quarantine the entire countries where this thing is at. If someone wants to leave, they go to a holding place for whatever amount of time it takes to incubate. If after that time they are clean, they can leave. Seems cruel but its all that will work. Otherwise WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! :shock: :shock:
Hmmm. Kind of makes you think maybe it wasn't such a good idea to cut the CDC's budget by $600 million (in nominal, not inflation-adjusted, dollars) over the last five years.

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#27 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:46 am

Bob78164 wrote:Hmmm. Kind of makes you think maybe it wasn't such a good idea to cut the CDC's budget by $600 million (in nominal, not inflation-adjusted, dollars) over the last five years.

Speaking of Republican economic practice, how's the Kansas economy doing? --Bob
What an awesome response for a big government fan. A large government agency wastes money on fads and screws the pooch on its essential duties and the problem is not enough money.
"You had one job!" is the punchline on a popular Internet meme involving organizational screw-ups. Now critics are saying something similar about the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in response the agency's handling of the Ebola outbreak. Unfortunately, it's not true. While we'd be better off if the CDC only had one job — you know, controlling disease— the CDC has taken on all sorts of jobs unrelated to that task. Jobs that seem to have distracted its management and led to a performance that even the establishment calls "rocky." Going forward, we need to learn this lesson, for the CDC, for other agencies, and for the government as a whole.
In 2014, the CDC received (together with the Public Health Service and related programs) $6.8 billion. But not all of that money went to infectious diseases. In addition to the CDC's supposed raison d'etre, there were programs for:

Chronic disease prevention (obesity, heart disease, etc): fiscal 2014 budget approximately $1 billion, or just under 15% of the total budget.
Birth defects: $132 million, or just about 2% of the total budget.
Environmental health (asthma, safe water, etc): $179 million, 2.6% of total.
Injury prevention (domestic violence, brain injury, etc): $150 million, 2.2% of total.
Public health services (statistics, surveillance, etc): $482 million, 7% of total.
Occupational safety (mostly research): $332 million, 5% of total.
And, of course, the various busy-body looks at playgrounds, smoking in subsidized housing, and the like. As The Federalist's David Harsanyi writes: "The CDC, an agency whose primary mission was to prevent malaria and then other dangerous communicable diseases, is now spending a lot of time, energy and money worrying about how much salt you put on your steaks, how close you stand to second-hand smoke and how often you do calisthenics."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... /16766801/

http://thefederalist.com/2014/10/03/the ... p-problem/
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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#28 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:47 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:Hmmm. Kind of makes you think maybe it wasn't such a good idea to cut the CDC's budget by $600 million (in nominal, not inflation-adjusted, dollars) over the last five years.

Speaking of Republican economic practice, how's the Kansas economy doing? --Bob
What an awesome response for a big government fan. A large government agency wastes money on fads and screws the pooch on its essential duties and the problem is not enough money.
"You had one job!" is the punchline on a popular Internet meme involving organizational screw-ups. Now critics are saying something similar about the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in response the agency's handling of the Ebola outbreak. Unfortunately, it's not true. While we'd be better off if the CDC only had one job — you know, controlling disease— the CDC has taken on all sorts of jobs unrelated to that task. Jobs that seem to have distracted its management and led to a performance that even the establishment calls "rocky." Going forward, we need to learn this lesson, for the CDC, for other agencies, and for the government as a whole.
In 2014, the CDC received (together with the Public Health Service and related programs) $6.8 billion. But not all of that money went to infectious diseases. In addition to the CDC's supposed raison d'etre, there were programs for:

Chronic disease prevention (obesity, heart disease, etc): fiscal 2014 budget approximately $1 billion, or just under 15% of the total budget.
Birth defects: $132 million, or just about 2% of the total budget.
Environmental health (asthma, safe water, etc): $179 million, 2.6% of total.
Injury prevention (domestic violence, brain injury, etc): $150 million, 2.2% of total.
Public health services (statistics, surveillance, etc): $482 million, 7% of total.
Occupational safety (mostly research): $332 million, 5% of total.
And, of course, the various busy-body looks at playgrounds, smoking in subsidized housing, and the like. As The Federalist's David Harsanyi writes: "The CDC, an agency whose primary mission was to prevent malaria and then other dangerous communicable diseases, is now spending a lot of time, energy and money worrying about how much salt you put on your steaks, how close you stand to second-hand smoke and how often you do calisthenics."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... /16766801/

http://thefederalist.com/2014/10/03/the ... p-problem/
It seems to me that a public health agency caring about, you know, health, is not exactly wasting time or resources. And I see no reason whatsoever that the Centers' mission should be limited to health threats caused by communicable diseases. People who suffer or die from diabetes, heart attacks, or cancer, are just as sick or dead. --Bob
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#29 Post by ghostjmf » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:59 am

One of the medical workers who treated Duncan (I don't know on which visit to the hospital) now tests positive for Ebola http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola- ... ef-n223976. I sure hope they will get this person all currently available treatments in time. They don't know what/where the breach in protective gear was.

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#30 Post by BackInTex » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:03 pm

ghostjmf wrote:One of the medical workers who treated Duncan (I don't know on which visit to the hospital) now tests positive for Ebola http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola- ... ef-n223976. I sure hope they will get this person all currently available treatments in time. They don't know what/where the breach in protective gear was.
My guess is the worker contracted it before they suspected Ebola so she wouldn't have had protective gear on.
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#31 Post by ghostjmf » Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:28 pm

BIT says:

[quote]My guess is the worker contracted it before they suspected Ebola so she wouldn't have had protective gear on.[/quote

No need to guess; reading the article tells you:

"The worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital became infected despite wearing full protective gear — a gown, gloves, mask and shield — while treating Duncan, Dr. Daniel Varga of Texas Health Resources, which owns the hospital, said at an earlier news conference in Dallas."


I've read or heard since this news post that its conjectured that something must have gone amiss during the removal of the protective gear. But the victim did wear it.

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#32 Post by BackInTex » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:56 am

New stats and projections from WHO.

WHO: 10,000 new Ebola cases per week could be seen
West Africa could see up to 10,000 new Ebola cases a week within two months, the World Health Organization said Tuesday, also confirming the death rate in the current outbreak has risen to 70 percent.
And yet some believe it's just too much trouble, or unfair, to add more restrictions on travel out of those West African countries.
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#33 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:10 am

BackInTex wrote:New stats and projections from WHO.

WHO: 10,000 new Ebola cases per week could be seen
West Africa could see up to 10,000 new Ebola cases a week within two months, the World Health Organization said Tuesday, also confirming the death rate in the current outbreak has risen to 70 percent.
And yet some believe it's just too much trouble, or unfair, to add more restrictions on travel out of those West African countries.
Neither. It's stupid.

If you restrict travel from West Africa, then West Africans who want to enter the United States will simply travel through some European country first. Right now, we can identify and (if we're so inclined) screen them (though Canada's experience with screening during the last flu scare identified precisely 0 potential cases, so it turned out to be a giant waste of money and time). If we force what health care workers call "broken travel," we won't be able to do that.

For once, I think someone at Fox News has it exactly right.



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#34 Post by SportsFan68 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:43 am

Thanks for the Smith link, Bob########.

Our Toastmasters Table Topic today was one of two choices: Talk about the ebola situation or about negative campaign ads. I picked the latter because it fit with my prepared speech. But if I had picked the first one, here's more or less what I would have said, without the stats. These are for the United States, not worldwide.

In 2012, 10,322 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. I couldn't find a stat for 2013.

Smoking-related diseases claim an estimated 443,000 American lives each year, including those affected indirectly, such as babies born prematurely due to prenatal maternal smoking and victims of "secondhand" exposure to tobacco’s carcinogens. On average, these people die 10 years before they otherwise would have, and much of those last 10 years is usually spent in pain and other misery.

An estimated 8,369 people died from HIV in 2010. I couldn't find anything more recent.

That's almost half a million people dying from 100% preventable causes. OK, some of those smoking-related deaths are probably people who started before the dangers were fully understood, and some deaths were probably because smokers didn't recognize until recently the harm they were doing to their families with secondhand smoke. And OK, the HIV deaths probably include people who contracted it prior to 1984 or so, when doctors had no idea what they were looking at. No such disclaimer on the drunk driving stat. . .

WHY ISN'T THERE 24/7 COVERAGE OF HALF A MILLION PREVENTABLE DEATHS IN THIS COUNTRY? Why are we screaming 24/7 about something that killed ONE person, with extensive precautions being taken to prevent further spread? Where are our priorities? If we're serious about preventing the spread of ebola, why aren't we sending trained medical personnel and supplies to Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone?

This country is insane.

I found a wonderfully sane article about real threats here in the U.S. I spoilered it in the next post so it's easily ignorable.
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#35 Post by SportsFan68 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:50 am

Long article about real threats in the U.S.
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/17/6988377/t ... -furniture

Threats to Americans, ranked (by actual threat instead of media hype)

Updated by Max Fisher on October 17, 2014, 8:50 a.m. ET @Max_Fisher max@vox.com

Americans are inundated with media coverage and politicians warning them of dire threats: Ebola, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the war on Christmas.

The truth, though, is that the most-hyped threats are often not actually that threatening to Americans, while larger dangers go mostly ignored. That should tell you something about how our political system and media can distort threats, leading Americans to overreact to minor dangers while ignoring the big, challenging, divisive problems - like climate change - that we should actually be worried about.

Obsessing about possible threats is something of a beloved national past-time here in America, which is objectively one of the safest places on Earth, so we want to help you do it right. Here, then, is a highly un-scientific and incomplete ranking of threats to the United States — sorted by the current danger to Americans, worst-case danger to Americans, and how freaked out you should be.

9) Ebola

Threat to Americans: If you are an American in West Africa in close proximity with Ebola victims, the threat is moderate. If you are an American health worker in the US assisting an Ebola victim or someone who frequently comes into physical contact with one, the threat of infection is minor if you use proper protective equipment. Otherwise, the threat is pretty close to zero.

Worst-case scenario: The outbreak could get much worse in West Africa, but even in that scenario the disease will remain unlikely to affect many Americans outside of the region.

How freaked out should you be: If you have loved ones in Liberia, Sierra Leone, or Guinea, it is not unreasonable to urge them to take all possible precautions. Otherwise, you would do better to worry about the other items on this list.

8) Your own furniture

Threat to Americans: According to a report by the Consumer Product Safety Commission, just under 30 Americans are killed every year by "tip-over," which is when "televisions, furniture, and appliances" fall onto their owners. The report also found that over 40,000 Americans receive "emergency department-treated injuries" from tip-over every year.

Worst-case scenario: This is America. We can always find ways to make a bigger, heavier, deadlier TV.

How freaked out should you be: Council on Foreign Relations scholar Micah Zenko found that tip-over kills about as many Americans per year as terrorism does, and injures many more. In theory, then, you should be just as freaked out by tip-over as you are by terrorism. Based on the fatality rate, you should be much more freaked out about tip-over than you are about Ebola.

7) ISIS

Threat to Americans: Presently, the threat to Americans outside of Iraq and Syria is extremely low, as ISIS has no demonstrated intent or capability to launch such an attack. And since 2001, the US has gotten much, much better at preventing terror plots.

Worst-case scenario: ISIS does control a giant stretch of territory, boast thousands of fighters (some with Western passports), earn lots of oil revenue, and field heavy US-made weapons seized from the Iraqi army. Oh, and it now has access to rotting but still-deadly chemical weapons. They could decide to use those resources to try to attack the US, or could allow other terrorists to use their territory as a safe haven.

How freaked out should you be: Not very. If ISIS decides to turn its attention to attacking the US, the prospect it might succeed is real, but remote. And even if it did pull off a successful attack, it would almost certainly kill only a small fraction of the number of Americans that guns and cars are virtually certain to kill every single year.

6) The flu

Threat to Americans: The flu kills thousands of Americans every year, many times more people than Ebola. The elderly and infirm are especially at risk.

Worse-case scenario: An especially bad outbreak in 2004 killed 48,000 Americans.

How freaked out should you be: If you're elderly, very young, or immunosuppressed, you should get a flu shot or nasal spray immediately. (Even if you're not, you should still get off your lazy butt and get a flu shot, unless you are some kind of monster who doesn't care about herd immunity.) But if you're young and otherwise healthy, you'll probably be fine even if you do catch the flu.

5) World War III breaking out in the Baltics

Threat to Americans: No one wants a global thermo-nuclear war between the West and Russia, including Vladimir Putin. But his meddling in Baltic NATO countries like Estonia, which the US and Western Europe are committed to defend, could inadvertently trigger what we avoided throughout the Cold War: open military conflict between the major nuclear powers. Both Putin and President Obama have threatened as much to try to scare one another out of acting aggressively.

Worst-case scenario: Russia does in Estonia what it did in Ukraine, that snowballs into war between Russia and the US/NATO, and the nukes start falling.

How freaked out should you be: To be very clear: the odds of this happening are extremely low. But the danger is real enough that everyone is taking it seriously (Russia is holding major nuclear exercises). If it did happen, it would be many, many times worse than every other item on this list combined.

4) Climate change

Danger to Americans: Potentially dire. The greatest near-term harm may be from a rise in extreme weather events. Over the next 100 years, that could include deadly heat waves, droughts, flooding, and a rise in sea levels that would affect coastal cities.

Worst-case scenario: The world is trying to limit the global temperature rise to 2°C, because any more than that is considered dangerous. A temperature rise of 4°C would cause "substantial species extinctions" and "large risks to global and regional food security," as well as rising sea levels, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In other words, a total catastrophe.

How freaked out should you be: If you care about the world your kids and grandkids will grow up in, pretty freaked out. Averting disaster requires immediate, massive, global cuts to carbon emissions. With the US and China particularly dragging their feet, it may simply be too late.

3) Guns

Danger to Americans: Guns kill more than 30,000 Americans every year, about as many deaths as caused by motor vehicles. But only about one in three of those deaths is a homicide. A few thousand are from accidents but most are due to suicide.

Worst-case scenario: We have already chosen to live in a society with the world's highest gun ownership rate and some of its loosest gun control laws, so the worst-case scenario is pretty much here. Still, gun deaths per year are on the rise.

How freaked out should you be: It all depends on whether you see America's uniquely permissive gun laws as worth the trade-off. But you — and, yes, your children — are at risk, regardless of your views about gun regulations.

2) Traffic accidents

Danger to Americans: Very high. About 34,000 deaths in 2011 (the last year with complete data), more than one in four of all deaths related to unintentional injures.

Worst-case scenario: Drunk driving. Don't do it.

How freaked out should you be: The motor vehicle death rate is declining, but getting in your car is still dangerous. Stay alert and don't drink.

1) Heart disease and cancer (tie)

Danger to Americans: The number-one and number-two killers in the US, collectively responsible for just over 50 percent of all American deaths.

Worst-case scenario: These could become even deadlier as Americans get unhealthier. Heart disease correlates with rising obesity. Cancer rates also correlate with obesity, smoking, and other unhealthy practices.

How freaked out should you be: The odds are that one of these two things will kill you, so you should be thinking about this. The good news: it's pretty easy to reduce that risk by making healthy lifestyle choices and screening regularly for cancer. Much easier for any given American, at least, than combatting West African Ebola outbreaks or Middle Eastern terrorist groups.
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#36 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:52 am

SportsFan68 wrote:Thanks for the Smith link, Bob########.

Our Toastmasters Table Topic today was one of two choices: Talk about the ebola situation or about negative campaign ads. I picked the latter because it fit with my prepared speech. But if I had picked the first one, here's more or less what I would have said, without the stats. These are for the United States, not worldwide.

In 2012, 10,322 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes. I couldn't find a stat for 2013.

Smoking-related diseases claim an estimated 443,000 American lives each year, including those affected indirectly, such as babies born prematurely due to prenatal maternal smoking and victims of "secondhand" exposure to tobacco’s carcinogens. On average, these people die 10 years before they otherwise would have, and much of those last 10 years is usually spent in pain and other misery.

An estimated 8,369 people died from HIV in 2010. I couldn't find anything more recent.

That's almost half a million people dying from 100% preventable causes. OK, some of those smoking-related deaths are probably people who started before the dangers were fully understood, and some deaths were probably because smokers didn't recognize until recently the harm they were doing to their families with secondhand smoke. And OK, the HIV deaths probably include people who contracted it prior to 1984 or so, when doctors had no idea what they were looking at. No such disclaimer on the drunk driving stat. . .

WHY ISN'T THERE 24/7 COVERAGE OF HALF A MILLION PREVENTABLE DEATHS IN THIS COUNTRY? Why are we screaming 24/7 about something that killed ONE person, with extensive precautions being taken to prevent further spread? Where are our priorities? If we're serious about preventing the spread of ebola, why aren't we sending trained medical personnel and supplies to Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone?

This country is insane.

I found a wonderfully sane article about real threats here in the U.S. I spoilered it in the next post so it's easily ignorable.
Add to that the deaths from pneumococcal pneumonia and all the other vaccine preventable diseases.
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#37 Post by elwoodblues » Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:36 pm

SportsFan68 wrote:
Long article about real threats in the U.S.
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/17/6988377/t ... -furniture

Threats to Americans, ranked (by actual threat instead of media hype)

Updated by Max Fisher on October 17, 2014, 8:50 a.m. ET @Max_Fisher max@vox.com

Americans are inundated with media coverage and politicians warning them of dire threats: Ebola, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the war on Christmas.

The truth, though, is that the most-hyped threats are often not actually that threatening to Americans, while larger dangers go mostly ignored. That should tell you something about how our political system and media can distort threats, leading Americans to overreact to minor dangers while ignoring the big, challenging, divisive problems - like climate change - that we should actually be worried about.

Obsessing about possible threats is something of a beloved national past-time here in America, which is objectively one of the safest places on Earth, so we want to help you do it right. Here, then, is a highly un-scientific and incomplete ranking of threats to the United States — sorted by the current danger to Americans, worst-case danger to Americans, and how freaked out you should be.

9) Ebola

Threat to Americans: If you are an American in West Africa in close proximity with Ebola victims, the threat is moderate. If you are an American health worker in the US assisting an Ebola victim or someone who frequently comes into physical contact with one, the threat of infection is minor if you use proper protective equipment. Otherwise, the threat is pretty close to zero.

Worst-case scenario: The outbreak could get much worse in West Africa, but even in that scenario the disease will remain unlikely to affect many Americans outside of the region.

How freaked out should you be: If you have loved ones in Liberia, Sierra Leone, or Guinea, it is not unreasonable to urge them to take all possible precautions. Otherwise, you would do better to worry about the other items on this list.

8) Your own furniture

Threat to Americans: According to a report by the Consumer Product Safety Commission, just under 30 Americans are killed every year by "tip-over," which is when "televisions, furniture, and appliances" fall onto their owners. The report also found that over 40,000 Americans receive "emergency department-treated injuries" from tip-over every year.

Worst-case scenario: This is America. We can always find ways to make a bigger, heavier, deadlier TV.

How freaked out should you be: Council on Foreign Relations scholar Micah Zenko found that tip-over kills about as many Americans per year as terrorism does, and injures many more. In theory, then, you should be just as freaked out by tip-over as you are by terrorism. Based on the fatality rate, you should be much more freaked out about tip-over than you are about Ebola.

7) ISIS

Threat to Americans: Presently, the threat to Americans outside of Iraq and Syria is extremely low, as ISIS has no demonstrated intent or capability to launch such an attack. And since 2001, the US has gotten much, much better at preventing terror plots.

Worst-case scenario: ISIS does control a giant stretch of territory, boast thousands of fighters (some with Western passports), earn lots of oil revenue, and field heavy US-made weapons seized from the Iraqi army. Oh, and it now has access to rotting but still-deadly chemical weapons. They could decide to use those resources to try to attack the US, or could allow other terrorists to use their territory as a safe haven.

How freaked out should you be: Not very. If ISIS decides to turn its attention to attacking the US, the prospect it might succeed is real, but remote. And even if it did pull off a successful attack, it would almost certainly kill only a small fraction of the number of Americans that guns and cars are virtually certain to kill every single year.

6) The flu

Threat to Americans: The flu kills thousands of Americans every year, many times more people than Ebola. The elderly and infirm are especially at risk.

Worse-case scenario: An especially bad outbreak in 2004 killed 48,000 Americans.

How freaked out should you be: If you're elderly, very young, or immunosuppressed, you should get a flu shot or nasal spray immediately. (Even if you're not, you should still get off your lazy butt and get a flu shot, unless you are some kind of monster who doesn't care about herd immunity.) But if you're young and otherwise healthy, you'll probably be fine even if you do catch the flu.

5) World War III breaking out in the Baltics

Threat to Americans: No one wants a global thermo-nuclear war between the West and Russia, including Vladimir Putin. But his meddling in Baltic NATO countries like Estonia, which the US and Western Europe are committed to defend, could inadvertently trigger what we avoided throughout the Cold War: open military conflict between the major nuclear powers. Both Putin and President Obama have threatened as much to try to scare one another out of acting aggressively.

Worst-case scenario: Russia does in Estonia what it did in Ukraine, that snowballs into war between Russia and the US/NATO, and the nukes start falling.

How freaked out should you be: To be very clear: the odds of this happening are extremely low. But the danger is real enough that everyone is taking it seriously (Russia is holding major nuclear exercises). If it did happen, it would be many, many times worse than every other item on this list combined.

4) Climate change

Danger to Americans: Potentially dire. The greatest near-term harm may be from a rise in extreme weather events. Over the next 100 years, that could include deadly heat waves, droughts, flooding, and a rise in sea levels that would affect coastal cities.

Worst-case scenario: The world is trying to limit the global temperature rise to 2°C, because any more than that is considered dangerous. A temperature rise of 4°C would cause "substantial species extinctions" and "large risks to global and regional food security," as well as rising sea levels, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In other words, a total catastrophe.

How freaked out should you be: If you care about the world your kids and grandkids will grow up in, pretty freaked out. Averting disaster requires immediate, massive, global cuts to carbon emissions. With the US and China particularly dragging their feet, it may simply be too late.

3) Guns

Danger to Americans: Guns kill more than 30,000 Americans every year, about as many deaths as caused by motor vehicles. But only about one in three of those deaths is a homicide. A few thousand are from accidents but most are due to suicide.

Worst-case scenario: We have already chosen to live in a society with the world's highest gun ownership rate and some of its loosest gun control laws, so the worst-case scenario is pretty much here. Still, gun deaths per year are on the rise.

How freaked out should you be: It all depends on whether you see America's uniquely permissive gun laws as worth the trade-off. But you — and, yes, your children — are at risk, regardless of your views about gun regulations.

2) Traffic accidents

Danger to Americans: Very high. About 34,000 deaths in 2011 (the last year with complete data), more than one in four of all deaths related to unintentional injures.

Worst-case scenario: Drunk driving. Don't do it.

How freaked out should you be: The motor vehicle death rate is declining, but getting in your car is still dangerous. Stay alert and don't drink.

1) Heart disease and cancer (tie)

Danger to Americans: The number-one and number-two killers in the US, collectively responsible for just over 50 percent of all American deaths.

Worst-case scenario: These could become even deadlier as Americans get unhealthier. Heart disease correlates with rising obesity. Cancer rates also correlate with obesity, smoking, and other unhealthy practices.

How freaked out should you be: The odds are that one of these two things will kill you, so you should be thinking about this. The good news: it's pretty easy to reduce that risk by making healthy lifestyle choices and screening regularly for cancer. Much easier for any given American, at least, than combatting West African Ebola outbreaks or Middle Eastern terrorist groups.
That is a good article. The news is more concerned about ratings than what is actually newsworthy, and scaring us is how they get us to watch. And Ebola is the latest thing they can scare us with.

Today the President actually appointed an "Ebola Czar." I wonder how long that person will continue to draw a paycheck after the "scare" is over.

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#38 Post by Bob78164 » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:13 am

Nina Pham got out of the hospital today. --Bob
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#39 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:45 pm

There are now no cases of Ebola in the United States. Duncan is the only patient treated in the U.S. who has died and no one at all has caught the disease here other than by treating another victim of the disease.

It's a scary disease, though not as dangerous or contagious as the flu. But it's becoming apparent that our health care system is capable of providing sufficient supportive care for people to survive the disease and it's also quite clear at this point that the people who was telling us it's not that contagious were right. --Bob
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#40 Post by Spock » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:45 pm

>>>Speaking of Republican economic practice, how's the Kansas economy doing? --Bob<<<

Obviously not bad enough to beat Brownback.

Unemployment rates are a pretty good metric of where a state's economy is.

August 2014-Kansas =4,9% unemployment

California=7.4% unemployment.

It is also patently obvious that California's rate would be much higher but for the mass exodus of California's middle class workers to Texas and the interior west.

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#41 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:59 pm

Spock wrote:>>>Speaking of Republican economic practice, how's the Kansas economy doing? --Bob<<<

Obviously not bad enough to beat Brownback.

Unemployment rates are a pretty good metric of where a state's economy is.

August 2014-Kansas =4,9% unemployment

California=7.4% unemployment.

It is also patently obvious that California's rate would be much higher but for the mass exodus of California's middle class workers to Texas and the interior west.
Really? How much has California's population dropped? --Bob
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#42 Post by Estonut » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:09 pm

Bob78164 wrote:There are now no cases of Ebola in the United States. Duncan is the only patient treated in the U.S. who has died and no one at all has caught the disease here other than by treating another victim of the disease.

It's a scary disease, though not as dangerous or contagious as the flu. But it's becoming apparent that our health care system is capable of providing sufficient supportive care for people to survive the disease and it's also quite clear at this point that the people who was telling us it's not that contagious were right.
Hmmm. Kind of makes you think maybe it wasn't such a bad idea to cut the CDC's budget by $600 million (in nominal, not inflation-adjusted, dollars) over the last five years.
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#43 Post by jarnon » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:14 pm

Sadly, Dr. Martin Salia has died. He's an American doctor who caught Ebola while working in Sierra Leone, where he was born. He was brought to Nebraska for treatment, but was already so sick they couldn't save him.
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#44 Post by elwoodblues » Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:42 pm

Nina Pham, one of the Dallas nurses who contracted Ebola, is now suing the hospital where she worked.

http://res.dallasnews.com/interactives/nina-pham/

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