Surprise! Voter ID laws reduce turnout

[flockofseagulls104]

I guess SSS has summed it up already, but I just keep bumping into examples of vote fraud. Of course, this will not be reported by any media outlet that the left approves of (or controls). They would not stoop do doing any actual investigative reporting. So it must not be true. So it can't possibly outrage you. And no self respecting district judge would even know about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_uHDjk3fSc

He went through so much trouble to make this sh*t up....

[silverscreenselect]

I guess SSS has summed it up already, but I just keep bumping into examples of vote fraud. Of course, this will not be reported by any media outlet that the left approves of (or controls). They would not stoop do doing any actual investigative reporting. So it must not be true. So it can't possibly outrage you. And no self respecting district judge would even know about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_uHDjk3fSc

He went through so much trouble to make this sh*t up....

If I'm not mistaken, Colorado is going to all mail-in balloting this year, the same as Oregon has done for a while. So, I'm not sure how any of those measures that you keep promoting (that require specific, sometimes difficult to obtain forms of photo ID for in person voting) would affect the types of fraud that could be associated with mail-in balloting.

If someone wants to go through the typical college student's trash looking for discarded ballots, I doubt they'll find anything that's in any shape to be submitted.

[flockofseagulls104]

I guess SSS has summed it up already, but I just keep bumping into examples of vote fraud. Of course, this will not be reported by any media outlet that the left approves of (or controls). They would not stoop do doing any actual investigative reporting. So it must not be true. So it can't possibly outrage you. And no self respecting district judge would even know about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_uHDjk3fSc

He went through so much trouble to make this sh*t up....

If I'm not mistaken, Colorado is going to all mail-in balloting this year, the same as Oregon has done for a while. So, I'm not sure how any of those measures that you keep promoting (that require specific, sometimes difficult to obtain forms of photo ID for in person voting) would affect the types of fraud that could be associated with mail-in balloting.

If someone wants to go through the typical college student's trash looking for discarded ballots, I doubt they'll find anything that's in any shape to be submitted.

I guess the video, if you watched it, is of no concern to you. No problem here, move along.

Mail in voting is a whole 'nother issue. I got mine and mailed it in already. I suppose if you wanted to, you could go through a neighborhood and steal them out of people's mailboxes and then mail them in yourself. The only thing I saw to verify you are who you say you are is the signature. Do they have someone to verify everyone's signatures on each individual ballot? They could register every fictional character ever created and print ballots for them when they need them. A fine voting system.

My new home in Oregon is filled with BJs, Bobs and SSSes and they have been in charge of the state government for a long time. The old hippies and rejects from California have migrated up here. I wonder if the antics of our Governor's girlfriend has made national news? Luckily we live in the most conservative part of the state.

I guess they figured a way to fix the vote that's much easier.

[silverscreenselect]

I guess the video, if you watched it, is of no concern to you. No problem here, move along.

Mail in voting is a whole 'nother issue. I got mine and mailed it in already. I suppose if you wanted to, you could go through a neighborhood and steal them out of people's mailboxes and then mail them in yourself. The only thing I saw to verify you are who you say you are is the signature. Do they have someone to verify everyone's signatures on each individual ballot? They could register every fictional character ever created and print ballots for them when they need them. A fine voting system.

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how voting laws like the one in Texas would reduce this type of election fraud.

And you're right Flock. People could go through a neighborhood and steal ballots out of mailboxes. They could also steal a lot of other things from mailboxes as well that would make them a good bit more money than would casting an extra couple of votes for Mark Udall. Which do you think they're more likely to steal? That's why we have federal laws against mail theft.

What I heard on the video was some campaign volunteers who pretty much say "OK" or "uh huh" to whatever your ace investigative reporter was suggesting. Not the smartest thing in the world but it's more a case of not having the cojones to contradict what someone is saying. That's a far cry from an active conspiracy to go dumpster diving for ballots.

[elwoodblues]

http://humoroutcasts.com/2014/new-texas ... -district/

[SportsFan68]

I guess SSS has summed it up already, but I just keep bumping into examples of vote fraud. Of course, this will not be reported by any media outlet that the left approves of (or controls). They would not stoop do doing any actual investigative reporting. So it must not be true. So it can't possibly outrage you. And no self respecting district judge would even know about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_uHDjk3fSc

He went through so much trouble to make this sh*t up....

If I'm not mistaken, Colorado is going to all mail-in balloting this year, the same as Oregon has done for a while. So, I'm not sure how any of those measures that you keep promoting (that require specific, sometimes difficult to obtain forms of photo ID for in person voting) would affect the types of fraud that could be associated with mail-in balloting.

If someone wants to go through the typical college student's trash looking for discarded ballots, I doubt they'll find anything that's in any shape to be submitted.

You are not mistaken. Colorado has gone to all mail-OUT ballots. You may mail them back in, as long as you're sure you've affixed enough postage and they have enough time to circulate through the mail. If you're registered, you got a ballot it the mail.

You must have some kind of state ID to register. I got to the second page online and stopped because I didn't want to try to register a second time and be accused of voter fraud.

Once you get your ballot, you vote, seal it in the secrecy envelope, sign the outside envelope, and turn it in by mail or in a drop box. The signature detection software is very sophisticated, and a few voters have been caught in the county where I live. Any questionable ballots are kicked out, and then the human part of the detection system kicks in. One woman told the deputy county clerk she couldn't believe she got caught trying to vote her husband's ballot.

To harvest trashed student ballots, you would have to be able to duplicate the signature on file. Not much chance of that . . .

[SportsFan68]

I guess SSS has summed it up already, but I just keep bumping into examples of vote fraud. Of course, this will not be reported by any media outlet that the left approves of (or controls). They would not stoop do doing any actual investigative reporting. So it must not be true. So it can't possibly outrage you. And no self respecting district judge would even know about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_uHDjk3fSc

He went through so much trouble to make this sh*t up....

If I'm not mistaken, Colorado is going to all mail-in balloting this year, the same as Oregon has done for a while. So, I'm not sure how any of those measures that you keep promoting (that require specific, sometimes difficult to obtain forms of photo ID for in person voting) would affect the types of fraud that could be associated with mail-in balloting.

If someone wants to go through the typical college student's trash looking for discarded ballots, I doubt they'll find anything that's in any shape to be submitted.

I guess the video, if you watched it, is of no concern to you. No problem here, move along.

Mail in voting is a whole 'nother issue. I got mine and mailed it in already. I suppose if you wanted to, you could go through a neighborhood and steal them out of people's mailboxes and then mail them in yourself. The only thing I saw to verify you are who you say you are is the signature. Do they have someone to verify everyone's signatures on each individual ballot?

Yes. It is very boring, and the recognition software beep is annoying. One of these years, it will be my turn in the barrel. Ugh. But I'll do it, because I like Colorado's current system.

They could register every fictional character ever created and print ballots for them when they need them. A fine voting system.

Not possible. To register, you have to present some form of state ID at some point.

My new home in Oregon is filled with BJs, Bobs and SSSes and they have been in charge of the state government for a long time. The old hippies and rejects from California have migrated up here. I wonder if the antics of our Governor's girlfriend has made national news? Luckily we live in the most conservative part of the state.

I guess they figured a way to fix the vote that's much easier.

Now that we're all mail-out, Colorado has an excellent track record of not fixing the vote.

[flockofseagulls104]

Having just moved to Oregon, voting by mail is new to me. I researched it a little and though I'm still a bit uncomfortable with it, I think it's probably better than the hybrid systems that most states use, as long as it's monitored and you can trust the monitors. The main advantage is there is only one track for the votes to go.

Our votes are verified by our signature. Supposedly every mailed envelope is compared to your signature from when you registered by a person. Not by a computer, at least according to what I read, which may be outdated. If that's true and it's really done fairly, then at least there's some check performed to verify you are who you are.

I didn't research enough to find out how they make sure the rolls are kept updated and accurate. How do they know to stop sending a ballot to a deceased person or one that has moved? Still a lot of questions, but there's not going to be a perfect system. At least this has one track to support, which makes it simpler to monitor.

I will give VBM the benefit of the doubt for now.

[Bob Juch]

Having just moved to Oregon, voting by mail is new to me. I researched it a little and though I'm still a bit uncomfortable with it, I think it's probably better than the hybrid systems that most states use, as long as it's monitored and you can trust the monitors. The main advantage is there is only one track for the votes to go.

Our votes are verified by our signature. Supposedly every mailed envelope is compared to your signature from when you registered by a person. Not by a computer, at least according to what I read, which may be outdated. If that's true and it's really done fairly, then at least there's some check performed to verify you are who you are.

I didn't research enough to find out how they make sure the rolls are kept updated and accurate. How do they know to stop sending a ballot to a deceased person or one that has moved? Still a lot of questions, but there's not going to be a perfect system. At least this has one track to support, which makes it simpler to monitor.

I will give VBM the benefit of the doubt for now.

If a ballot is mailed to someone who's moved or died it is returned.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/texas-woman- ... 4_34396057

[BackInTex]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/texas-woman- ... 4_34396057

The law worked. The lady is trying to play the field, deciding at the last minute where she wants to vote. She is either a Calufirnia resident or a Rexas resident. Her IDs say she is. California resident.

The article doesn't even say if she is registered to vote in Texas. Or in California. The situation does not appear to me to be a genuine situation. I'm sure if a reporter dug deeper you'll find some leftist political activism in her past that I suspect is carrying forward to today.

[Bob78164]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/texas-woman- ... 4_34396057

The law worked. The lady is trying to play the field, deciding at the last minute where she wants to vote. She is either a Calufirnia resident or a Rexas resident. Her IDs say she is. California resident.

The article doesn't even say if she is registered to vote in Texas. Or in California. The situation does not appear to me to be a genuine situation. I'm sure if a reporter dug deeper you'll find some leftist political activism in her past that I suspect is carrying forward to today.

I think you're right about one thing. In this instance the law did what its authors intended it to do. --Bob

[BackInTex]

i think you're right about one thing. In this instance the law did what its authors intended it to do. --Bob

And in your mind, what intention is that?

[flockofseagulls104]

Just wondering, why is the left not protesting that mail in voting disenfranchizes the homeless?

[Bob78164]

I think you're right about one thing. In this instance the law did what its authors intended it to do. --Bob

And in your mind, what intention is that?

Deter an eligible Democratic-leaning voter from voting. --Bob

[jaybee]

Or deter an eligible Republican leaning voter from voting. Nowhere in that article does it indicate any political party preference of the lady in question.

There are going to be people - of all parties - who will have some problems with getting their ID. OTOH, there will also be many - of all parties - who will breeze through the system and get their photo ID without a hitch.

It's fine to recognize that there will be 'hitches' in just about any system out there. What you cannot do is cherry-pick only the examples that fit your argument and expand it to fit everyone involved.

[Bob Juch]

Just wondering, why is the left not protesting that mail in voting disenfranchises the homeless?

Even the homeless can get mail.

[silverscreenselect]

What you cannot do is cherry-pick only the examples that fit your argument and expand it to fit everyone involved.

That's why statistical analysis is necessary in order to prove discrimination. No one is going to come out and say, "we're adopting these laws because we know that they will primarily disqualify potential minority voters who are probably going to vote Democratic." So, through statistical analysis, you demonstrate that the discrepancies are more than would be accounted for by chance alone. The statistics that Bob quoted to begin this thread and those the Texas court relied on provide the proof.

[silvercamaro]

I will summarize this profound and intellectual discussion for those who read slowly or who try to make sense of all the words:

"Is!"
"Is not."
"Is, too."
"Nope. Because science, numbers, bullshit."


This has been a public service message.

[littlebeast13]

I will summarize this profound and intellectual discussion for those who read slowly or who try to make sense of all the words:

"Is!"
"Is not."
"Is, too."
"Nope. Because science, numbers, bullshit."


This has been a public service message.

I am outraged that you glossed over my post (like everyone else did) in which I stuck out my tongue to everybody. You obviously discriminate against residents of the Planet Possum...

lb13

[Bob78164]

I will summarize this profound and intellectual discussion for those who read slowly or who try to make sense of all the words:

"Is!"
"Is not."
"Is, too."
"Nope. Because science, numbers, bullshit."


This has been a public service message.

I am outraged that you glossed over my post (like everyone else did) in which I stuck out my tongue to everybody. You obviously discriminate against residents of the Planet Possum...

lb13

She wouldn't do that if they'd fork over the same 250 samolyans that every one does for an ID. --Bob

[jarnon]

Sunday was Election Day in Ukraine. This citizen was disenfranchised:



Seems he registered as Darth Vader, but his photo ID said Anakin Skywalker.

[Bob78164]

What did this guy, a registered voter his entire adult life who has never left his hometown of Austin, do to lose his right to vote? --Bob

[Bob Juch]

What did this guy, a registered voter his entire adult life who has never left his hometown of Austin, do to lose his right to vote? --Bob

I thought your link was going to be to this:

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/10/texas ... ar-93-year

[BackInTex]

What did this guy, a registered voter his entire adult life who has never left his hometown of Austin, do to lose his right to vote? --Bob

Nothing. He did nothing. He should have done something, but instead, like a lot of the Democrat base, he did nothing.