Secret Service Director Julia Pierson resigns

[silverscreenselect]

You are completely wrong about the situation and why assistance was delayed (their black mayor denying the Federal Government to come in and assist even though the Federal Government was ready and willing) (or their black mayor no giving a mandatory evacuation or providing enough logistical resources to evacuate), or even why so much of it was a critical need (the majority of those in need were in need because they failed to help themselves, either by evacuating when it was recommended, or by just getting a frickin' job and providing for themselves rather than relying on everyone else

So your argument, and Flybrick's, and almost every Republican politician is, "If black voters only knew and understood what we know, they'd support us but they're unwilling to listen."

And you wonder why that translates into 7% of the black vote.

[Flybrick]

Your uncanny ability to make stuff up is commendable.

I NEVER argued for or against blacks voting for or against conservative (not necessarily GOP) candidates.

I did point some of your historical inaccuracies regarding the fault for the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Funny how those results weren't repeated in the rest of the Gulf Coast that were schwacked just as hard.

But they had more competent local officals than did New Orleans with now convicted for corruption and contract-fixing for Katrina clean-up ex-Mayor Ray Nagin (D).

I DO think people should vote for the candidate who best represents them on a majority of issues the individual holds dear. Voting party just because, or voting for or against a a candidate because of skin color, as happened for Obama, or for gender, as for Hillary, is just dumb.

But then I'm racist according to you. Simply because we disagree. Even though I haven't written anything racist as you did.

But back to topic, Obama runs the Executive Branch. The Secret Service is part of the Executive Branch. Ms. Pierson was his appointed director. The ultimate responsibility rests with Obama.

When he leaves office, that responsibility rests with the next President. Not blaming it on "a problem that existed for years." I believe we elect a Chief Executive to actually fix problems, not make excuses.

Again, how racist of me to expect competency.

[silverscreenselect]

But back to topic, Obama runs the Executive Branch. The Secret Service is part of the Executive Branch. Ms. Pierson was his appointed director. The ultimate responsibility rests with Obama.

When he leaves office, that responsibility rests with the next President. Not blaming it on "a problem that existed for years." I believe we elect a Chief Executive to actually fix problems, not make excuses.

Again, how racist of me to expect competency.

I have never claimed that Obama is a competent executive. We've had two incompetents in a row in the White House, the worst pair in succession since Pierce and Buchanan.

On the other hand, Bush was responsible for the overall management and leadership of FEMA and Homeland Security and he put Brown in a position that was well beyond his level of competence, then in the immediate reaction to the crisis, Bush failed to realize the seriousness and his "Heck of a job" comments made it worse.

And comments like yours "If I criticize Obama of course I must be a racist" are the exact type of snark that conservatives float out there that alienate minorities even further. Of course, your comments don't have a lot of reach, but people like Limbaugh and Hannity do and their comments help to ensure that (1) we'll never have an intelligent discussion on the actual issues and (2) Republicans will never get more than 10% of the black vote.

[Flybrick]

That is twice in this thread that you have tried to tie someone's words and/or thoughts to Limbaugh and Hannity. For me specifically, I have not referenced either of them.

Why would you introduce such strawmen?

Do I then say that some liberal talking head does your thinking, therefore there is no point in engaging in conversation?

Convenient, if a weak thought process however.

But you are correct, there is no having an intelligent conversation with you. Sticking to the actual point doesn't seem to be within your intellectual grasp.

[silverscreenselect]

That is twice in this thread that you have tried to tie someone's words and/or thoughts to Limbaugh and Hannity. For me specifically, I have not referenced either of them.

What I said was that you espouse the same type of conservative snark that they do, the difference being that they have a lot farther reach than you do. It's not the criticism of Obama; that is and should be fair game. It's the way you phrase it. Rather than say, "I think Obama is incompetent because..." you (and they) attempt to deflect criticism of your comments by feigning mock outrage and saying "If you criticize me than you're calling me a racist and I can't possibly be a racist because I don't actually say anything that demonstrates my racism." It's a rather calculated attempt to play the race card in reverse that doesn't convince anyone who wasn't already buying your line in the first place. And that type of calculated gamesmanship is exactly what drives and keeps minorities away from conservatives and the Republicans in the first place. It's how Republicans can guarantee they won't ever get more than 10% of the black vote and dwindling numbers of the votes of other minorities.

So, keep making your little "I'm not the racist" comments. They seem to make you feel better. But they won't win any arguments with anyone who wasn't already on board with them, and it beats having to actually defend any policies which is something no one has done in this thread at all.

[Bob Juch]

Is that the same Michael Brown who headed FEMA, which did such a great job of handling the Katrina situation?

He surely wouldn't have any agenda in trying to absolve himself of blame.

It's clear you have no desire to know the truth.

The truth is out there but it's not in that book.

[flockofseagulls104]

That is twice in this thread that you have tried to tie someone's words and/or thoughts to Limbaugh and Hannity. For me specifically, I have not referenced either of them.

What I said was that you espouse the same type of conservative snark that they do, the difference being that they have a lot farther reach than you do. It's not the criticism of Obama; that is and should be fair game. It's the way you phrase it. Rather than say, "I think Obama is incompetent because..." you (and they) attempt to deflect criticism of your comments by feigning mock outrage and saying "If you criticize me than you're calling me a racist and I can't possibly be a racist because I don't actually say anything that demonstrates my racism." It's a rather calculated attempt to play the race card in reverse that doesn't convince anyone who wasn't already buying your line in the first place. And that type of calculated gamesmanship is exactly what drives and keeps minorities away from conservatives and the Republicans in the first place. It's how Republicans can guarantee they won't ever get more than 10% of the black vote and dwindling numbers of the votes of other minorities.

So, keep making your little "I'm not the racist" comments. They seem to make you feel better. But they won't win any arguments with anyone who wasn't already on board with them, and it beats having to actually defend any policies which is something no one has done in this thread at all.

SSS - Here is my 'racial attitude', stated by Raven Symone, an actress whom I've never watched nor paid attention to, but who has just earned my respect. Look how nervous Oprah gets when Raven steps out of Oprah's worldview and does not fit in her stereotype.

You will never understand, SSS. Stop lecturing us about what Conservatives think, because you have your bigoted world view, just like Oprah, and until you recognize that for yourself you just make yourself look foolish. I don't care that Raven Symone is gay. I don't care that anyone is gay. It's not about that. It's about the political agenda that is assumed to come with it. I don't care what color someone's skin is. It makes no difference to me and to most conservatives. What bothers me is the political agenda that is attached to 'being a minority'.

Oprah physically illustrates it in this clip, if it works.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXAho8vlmAI#t=53

[silverscreenselect]

Look how nervous Oprah gets when Raven steps out of Oprah's worldview and does not fit in her stereotype.


Oprah physically illustrates it in this clip, if it works.

Well, Flock, you and I must not have been looking at the same tape. What I saw was Oprah putting on a show, the same as she does with everyone she interviews and then skillfully drawing Raven out into getting what she wants to say on record. Like her shtick or not, Oprah is very good at drawing reactions from people. Her statement "you know the kind of reaction you're going to get when you say that" was designed to get precisely the response it got, "I don't care what they say."

Unlike you, Raven didn't appear to get too upset at what Oprah said. I'm sure she would have been a lot more upset if she wanted to marry someone and was denied that opportunity by your fellow conservatives.