Will we have the cultural confidence to say F*** O**?

[Spock]

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/09/1 ... ood-shelf/

Through piss poor immigration policy, we have imported hundreds of thousands of people from the literal s***hole of the world and in the process given ourselves a terrorist recruitment problem.

However, that is not enough, and free food is not enough. They are demanding (at the cost of $150,000 plus) that they be provided with a non-pork foodshelf because some of the beans have pork in them and these wonderful economic contributors to our society can't read.

They have certainly learned the entitlement and victimhood game (the secrets of success in modern America).

How long until they demand all foodshelves be pork-free?

I think the thing that pisses me off the most is that there is no suggestion that they have even thought of putting their own pork-free food shelf together. It is all "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme."

[Bob Juch]

I suggest you unplug your brain from Rush or whoever else is brainwashing you. Stop being a tool.

[silverscreenselect]

Through piss poor immigration policy, we have imported hundreds of thousands of people from the literal s***hole of the world and in the process given ourselves a terrorist recruitment problem.

If it weren't for us importing thousands of hundreds of thousands of people over the last 400 years from the various s***holes of the world, this country would be a mighty lonely place.

[Spock]

I suggest you unplug your brain from Rush or whoever else is brainwashing you. Stop being a tool.

What is your opinion of the (possible) government subsidization of Islamic religious dietary practices? What about separation of Church and State etc? A common topic here when related to Christianity.

[Spock]

Through piss poor immigration policy, we have imported hundreds of thousands of people from the literal s***hole of the world and in the process given ourselves a terrorist recruitment problem.

If it weren't for us importing thousands of hundreds of thousands of people over the last 400 years from the various s***holes of the world, this country would be a mighty lonely place.

Modern immigration with the presence of the welfare state and entitlement mentality is "Apples and Oranges" with immigration prior to, say, 1960 (or whatever).

[Bob Juch]

I suggest you unplug your brain from Rush or whoever else is brainwashing you. Stop being a tool.

What is your opinion of the (possible) government subsidization of Islamic religious dietary practices? What about separation of Church and State etc? A common topic here when related to Christianity.

It seems to me that beans without pork would be cheaper than beans with pork.

[Beebs52]

What's so hard to understand about "not all immigration is good immigration"? Don't you have the brainpower to discern? We also got the lovely mafia during those halcyon immigration days. I mean.

[Spock]

I suggest you unplug your brain from Rush or whoever else is brainwashing you. Stop being a tool.

What is your opinion of the (possible) government subsidization of Islamic religious dietary practices? What about separation of Church and State etc? A common topic here when related to Christianity.

It seems to me that beans without pork would be cheaper than beans with pork.

So I can put you down as rolling over for the government subsidization of Islamic religious practices then.

[Bob Juch]

What is your opinion of the (possible) government subsidization of Islamic religious dietary practices? What about separation of Church and State etc? A common topic here when related to Christianity.

It seems to me that beans without pork would be cheaper than beans with pork.

So I can put you down as rolling over for the government subsidization of Islamic religious practices then.

Nope, I said it seems like they should save money by respecting them.

[Spock]

What's so hard to understand about "not all immigration is good immigration"? Don't you have the brainpower to discern? We also got the lovely mafia during those halcyon immigration days. I mean.

Obviously, there were problems in the halcyon immigation days-But given the Melting Pot(and lack of an entitlement mentality) in force at the time-each generation was (generally) farther removed from the pathologies of the Homeland.

We are in a world now where 2nd and 3rd generation Pakistanis in England are far more radicalized than the first generation.

Our experiments here with mass Muslim immigration are relatively new, but all evidence seems to suggest that the 2nd generation is more radicalized than the first.

[SportsFan68]

Through piss poor immigration policy, we have imported hundreds of thousands of people from the literal s***hole of the world and in the process given ourselves a terrorist recruitment problem.

If it weren't for us importing thousands of hundreds of thousands of people over the last 400 years from the various s***holes of the world, this country would be a mighty lonely place.

Nah, it wouldn't. The First Americans, most of whom were descended from the people who came over from Asia more than 10,000 years ago on the Bering Land Bridge, would have continued their sustainable, fertile ways and populated the entire continent. Problem was, some of the people I'm descended from saw incalculable riches and resources and decided they would have them no matter what. As it turned out, it wasn't even a matter of "no matter what." It was a matter of a microscopic bug, coupled with an avaricious, acquisitive nature, which many European explorers and settlers brought to the "new" world. Pretty soon, population centers lost 20% to 100% of the people in them. In other words, the imported people created massive population losses and then happily replaced them, some of them abusing, torturing, and killing the people they called savages along the way. I think about that all the time, whenever I visit an a historical site and imagine how it would look if the people hadn't been mostly killed off.

[BackInTex]

The First Americans, most of whom were descended from the people who came over from Asia more than 10,000 years ago on the Bering Land Bridge, would have continued their sustainable, fertile ways and populated the entire continent. Problem was, some of the people I'm descended from saw incalculable riches and resources and decided they would have them no matter what. As it turned out, it wasn't even a matter of "no matter what." It was a matter of a microscopic bug, coupled with an avaricious, acquisitive nature, which many European explorers and settlers brought to the "new" world. Pretty soon, population centers lost 20% to 100% of the people in them. In other words, the imported people created massive population losses and then happily replaced them, some of them abusing, torturing, and killing the people they called savages along the way. I think about that all the time, whenever I visit an a historical site and imagine how it would look if the people hadn't been mostly killed off.

Pretty much the historical record of all of mankind. It's not limited to what happened in your neck of the woods.

[Bob Juch]

The First Americans, most of whom were descended from the people who came over from Asia more than 10,000 years ago on the Bering Land Bridge, would have continued their sustainable, fertile ways and populated the entire continent. Problem was, some of the people I'm descended from saw incalculable riches and resources and decided they would have them no matter what. As it turned out, it wasn't even a matter of "no matter what." It was a matter of a microscopic bug, coupled with an avaricious, acquisitive nature, which many European explorers and settlers brought to the "new" world. Pretty soon, population centers lost 20% to 100% of the people in them. In other words, the imported people created massive population losses and then happily replaced them, some of them abusing, torturing, and killing the people they called savages along the way. I think about that all the time, whenever I visit an a historical site and imagine how it would look if the people hadn't been mostly killed off.

Pretty much the historical record of all of mankind. It's not limited to what happened in your neck of the woods.

As well as the historical record of America before the Europeans arrived. America was not a utopian paradise before 1492.

[Spock]

The First Americans, most of whom were descended from the people who came over from Asia more than 10,000 years ago on the Bering Land Bridge, would have continued their sustainable, fertile ways and populated the entire continent. Problem was, some of the people I'm descended from saw incalculable riches and resources and decided they would have them no matter what. As it turned out, it wasn't even a matter of "no matter what." It was a matter of a microscopic bug, coupled with an avaricious, acquisitive nature, which many European explorers and settlers brought to the "new" world. Pretty soon, population centers lost 20% to 100% of the people in them. In other words, the imported people created massive population losses and then happily replaced them, some of them abusing, torturing, and killing the people they called savages along the way. I think about that all the time, whenever I visit an a historical site and imagine how it would look if the people hadn't been mostly killed off.

Pretty much the historical record of all of mankind. It's not limited to what happened in your neck of the woods.

As well as the historical record of America before the Europeans arrived. America was not a utopian paradise before 1492.

FTR-I agree with Bob here-wow.

Just been reading some Elliot West on the Nez Perce war. BTW, Sprots, he also writes some neat stuff on the central plains (Colorado/Kansas) that I think you would like. It is kind of environmental frontier history. "The Way to the West" and "The Contested Plains." For example, one of the limiting factors to buffalo populations and Indian populations was the Big Timbers of the Arkansas Valley. As these disappeared life got tougher for both. Been many years since I read-but I feel like digging them out this winter.

In the Nez Perce book-he gets into the buffalo slaughter years and points out that Indians tended to shoot pregnant cows-Obviously, the buffalo would have went anyway, but this practice didn't help-probably most notably on the Canadian Plains

[Spock]

Through piss poor immigration policy, we have imported hundreds of thousands of people from the literal s***hole of the world and in the process given ourselves a terrorist recruitment problem.

If it weren't for us importing thousands of hundreds of thousands of people over the last 400 years from the various s***holes of the world, this country would be a mighty lonely place.

SSS, what is your opinion of the effect in Europe of mass Muslim immigration? Will a secular free society be able to survive these pressures? How likely is it that Western Europe will be able to resist the movement towards (de facto) Sharia law in certain areas?

[Spock]

One thing that bugs me the most about political arguments (on both sides) is the lack of granularity.For example, If you think allowing Somalis here in mass numbers is a mistake you get all immigration throughout US history thrown in your face.

However, it is an absolute pleasure to watch the Overseas Chinese model at work. You may, or may not, be aware that the Overseas Chinese (notably in Southeast Asia, but also elsewhere) are known for building generational wealth through hard work and self-reliance.

I am watching, with interest, a small example of this locally. A young Chinese couple who left China 13 years ago opened a small restaurant about 5 years ago in the town where my wife works. This restaurant made me fall in love with Chinese food-it is really good. Made-to-order, not buffet.

Anyway, they have 3 young children and live above the restaurant. It has been only him and her that work there. She runs the front and he cooks. She just had a baby so he has been running the front (with very limited English skills) and another guy has been cooking.

I recently read that they plan to open another restaurant about 30 miles away-she plans to run that one and he will run the existing one. I personally think that might be a mistake as I think the quality might go down as they are such a good team-but they will likely figure it out.

I am reminded of the Chinese family in Michener's Hawaii.

They obviously weren't trapped in the welfare system and you don't see any sense of entitlement as you see in the Somali community, but I would rather be one their kids (probably forced to work from an early age) than the child of any family (immigrant or not) trapped in the welfare system. I suspect everyone here would also make the same choice.

[ghostjmf]

All those people Spock says "can't learn to read" have to learn to read are the big letters K (for Kosher) or U (for Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America) on the can to get canned beans that meet halal standards. The rules for kosher foods are stricter than the halal rules, & ban foods that are OK under halal, but as long as the people eating the beans weren't longing for "shrimp & beans" they can put up with that. Fascinatingly enough, googling for what that "U" stands for got me almost 1st up a link to an Islamic site. And not a terrorist one. http://www.islamicbulletin.org/newslett ... ylaws.aspx


And by the way, even though the Jewish population that still cares about kosher laws is vanishingly small in many places, around various Jewish holidays stores in most big cities have a section of specialty items for the holiday. This is because they want people shopping for the stuff to find it all in one place. Its courtesy to the customers.


A local chain has a whole section for Goya brand foods, which the local Latin-American community seems to think are superior to the same foods made by other companies. The store is, again, catering to their clientele. No government subsidies or laws are making them do it, to my knowledge. I have read no articles on how much it costs the chain to devote a whole section to Goya (I'd bet Goya pays for it; product placement is very important to brands, & I've read & seen over the years reports on how fiercely stuff placed, for instance, at the eye-level of the intended consumer, including pint-sized & -aged consumers is bid upon & funded by the brands).


Right now, watching Lidia Bastianich on PBS has made me wary of any Italian restaurants, because if she can put some pork product into a recipe, including beef hamburgers (she says to chop your own beef, trim off the beef fat 1st, them add fat back by means of bacon!) she will. (I obviously, to those who know the rules for kashrut [see Leviticus; see thousands of years of debate on interpretation] am not actually keeping kosher, as the saying goes, these days, but I still don't eat any of the non-kosher animals. If you're actually keeping kosher, that's only the start. That the animal doesn't appear sick matters. That the animal was killed by having its throat cut & blood drained out matters. That the appropriate prayer thanking G-d for the food was said before the animal was killed matters. Which is why Muslim authorities accept kosher meat as halal.)

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

FBI officials are reportedly investigating a beheading at an Oklahoma food distribution center after co-workers said the suspect tried to convert them to Islam after his recent conversion.

The alleged suspect, Alton Nolen, 30, was recently fired from Vaughn Foods in Moore prior to Thursday’s attack. Moore Police Sgt. Jeremy Lewis told KFOR that Nolen drove to the front of the business and struck a vehicle before walking inside. He then attacked Colleen Hufford, 54, stabbing her several times before severing her head. He also stabbed another woman at the plant, 43-year-old Traci Johnson.

This is also a "good guy with gun stops evil guy" story too.