Game #145: Parasitic Pairs

[smilergrogan]

We may have been on the right track earlier.

Mary Woll(stone)craft could go with Keith Richards.

Arturo (Tosca)nini could be matched with himself.

Tammy Wy(net)te could be matched with Jimmy Connors.

Iggy P(op) could be matched with Roy Lichtenstein.

Norman (Hart)nell could be matched with George S. Kaufman.

As well as the Berry and Stella ones mentioned earlier.

The method of pairing seems too inconsistent for Frank. Is it someone the person worked with, is related to, a word related to their work or profession, or what? Often in Frank's puzzles we propose loose connections, and Frank corrects us by asking if anyone can define exactly what the Tangredi is. I think that is the case here.

Frank went out of his way to include Max Hardcore, someone he couldn't have expected anyone would know, and he has said that the name fit certain parameters, so it's not the association with porn or any other biographical fact that matters for him. It can't be the words Hard or Core, because other more familiar people could have been used (Warren Harding, Herb Score). So what can we do with Hardcore that we couldn't do with another name?

[franktangredi]

We may have been on the right track earlier.

Mary Woll(stone)craft could go with Keith Richards.

Arturo (Tosca)nini could be matched with himself.

Tammy Wy(net)te could be matched with Jimmy Connors.

Iggy P(op) could be matched with Roy Lichtenstein.

Norman (Hart)nell could be matched with George S. Kaufman.

As well as the Berry and Stella ones mentioned earlier.

The method of pairing seems too inconsistent for Frank. Is it someone the person worked with, is related to, a word related to their work or profession, or what? Often in Frank's puzzles we propose loose connections, and Frank corrects us by asking if anyone can define exactly what the Tangredi is. I think that is the case here.

Frank went out of his way to include Max Hardcore, someone he couldn't have expected anyone would know, and he has said that the name fit certain parameters, so it's not the association with porn or any other biographical fact that matters for him. It can't be the words Hard or Core, because other more familiar people could have been used (Warren Harding, Herb Score). So what can we do with Hardcore that we couldn't do with another name?

Good reasoning. Yes, there's something you can do with Max Hardcore that you can't do with Warren Harding or Herb Score or Maurice Richard or any number of other names. And once you figure out what it is, you will have little trouble figuring out who he pairs with. I have faith in you.

[mrkelley23]

We may have been on the right track earlier.

Mary Woll(stone)craft could go with Keith Richards.

Arturo (Tosca)nini could be matched with himself.

Tammy Wy(net)te could be matched with Jimmy Connors.

Iggy P(op) could be matched with Roy Lichtenstein.

Norman (Hart)nell could be matched with George S. Kaufman.

As well as the Berry and Stella ones mentioned earlier.

The method of pairing seems too inconsistent for Frank. Is it someone the person worked with, is related to, a word related to their work or profession, or what? Often in Frank's puzzles we propose loose connections, and Frank corrects us by asking if anyone can define exactly what the Tangredi is. I think that is the case here.

Frank went out of his way to include Max Hardcore, someone he couldn't have expected anyone would know, and he has said that the name fit certain parameters, so it's not the association with porn or any other biographical fact that matters for him. It can't be the words Hard or Core, because other more familiar people could have been used (Warren Harding, Herb Score). So what can we do with Hardcore that we couldn't do with another name?

Good reasoning. Yes, there's something you can do with Max Hardcore that you can't do with Warren Harding or Herb Score or Maurice Richard or any number of other names. And once you figure out what it is, you will have little trouble figuring out who he pairs with. I have faith in you.

Getting ready to go play in a golf scramble, so I can't spend any more time with this, but here's a wild one:

I wondered about Max Hardcore as well, noticed that deleting letters, adding letters, and rearranging would get you Max Headroom. The letters you would have to add would be MO, as in Michael Ontkean. The letters you would have to delete would be CR, but my anagramming skills haven't some up with anything you could do to either {Michael Ontkean or ichael ntkean} + CR that would make any sense.

Kind of a long shot, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

[silverscreenselect]

Good reasoning. Yes, there's something you can do with Max Hardcore that you can't do with Warren Harding or Herb Score or Maurice Richard or any number of other names. And once you figure out what it is, you will have little trouble figuring out who he pairs with. I have faith in you.

This would indicate that the entire word is the key. But if Frank is anagramming (with or without deleting or adding letters) to match to another name, that would usually require an associated word list, unless the entire word Hardcore anagrams to something very distinctive that could only be associated with one person. A parasite would seem to indicate a word found within another word, but again, if it's "hard" or "core" there's other possibilities that are much better known. Combinations like "ardco" or "rdcor" which would be rather unique don't lend themselves to matches.

[Pastor Fireball]

Good reasoning. Yes, there's something you can do with Max Hardcore that you can't do with Warren Harding or Herb Score or Maurice Richard or any number of other names. And once you figure out what it is, you will have little trouble figuring out who he pairs with. I have faith in you.

This would indicate that the entire word is the key. But if Frank is anagramming (with or without deleting or adding letters) to match to another name, that would usually require an associated word list, unless the entire word Hardcore anagrams to something very distinctive that could only be associated with one person. A parasite would seem to indicate a word found within another word, but again, if it's "hard" or "core" there's other possibilities that are much better known. Combinations like "ardco" or "rdcor" which would be rather unique don't lend themselves to matches.

Hardcore also contains "DC"... but that could refer to Washington DC, DC Comics, or direct current.

I'm officially out of ideas.

[smilergrogan]

Maybe reading something into Frank's comment, but he specified "something you can do with Max Hardcore", not just "Hardcore", so that might mean both names are involved in the anagram or whatever.

Also, there is an unusually small number of women among the answers, just 8 out of 100. I don't know how that could be significant, but it is notable.

[franktangredi]

Maybe reading something into Frank's comment, but he specified "something you can do with Max Hardcore", not just "Hardcore", so that might mean both names are involved in the anagram or whatever.

Also, there is an unusually small number of women among the answers, just 8 out of 100. I don't know how that could be significant, but it is notable.

Hmmmmmm.

[jarnon]

Probably wrong but...

68. Ernie (Bush)miller could be matched with 7. Don Schollander
29. Vijay (Sing)h could be matched with 25. Maurice Chevalier
4. Joseph (Priest)ley could be matched with 42. John McCloskey

[mellytu74]

Probably wrong but:

46. B(OSS) TWEED + 20. JULIA CHILD

I have been playing with the anagrams but I got nuttin'.

[mellytu74]

I keep coming back to this -- it probably means nothing but I keep coming back to this.

32. TOM GOLISANO

Is there SOME way the anagram folks can work this to become Tom GOLA? Who could them go with his Warriors teammate and Philadelphia college hoops contemporary,

81. PAUL ARIZIN?

Again, it may mean nothing but it's been nagging me as much as Boss Tweed and Julia CHild.

[smilergrogan]

32. TOM GOLISANO

Is there SOME way the anagram folks can work this to become Tom GOLA?

Yes - GOLISANO IS NO GOLA

[mellytu74]

32. TOM GOLISANO

Is there SOME way the anagram folks can work this to become Tom GOLA?

Yes - GOLISANO IS NO GOLA

Perhaps I should have been more specific in my request....

Is there some way the anagram folks can make 32. TOM GOLISANO turn in to Tom GOLA in the context of the game to match with his Warriors teammate and Philadelphia college hoops contemporary 81. PAUL ARIZIN?

I am not sure Tom Golisano is no GOLA helps us. Does it help us?

[mrkelley23]

Smiler wasn't trying to be helpful, he was trying to be funny. And I have to admit that I laughed when I read it.

A few more observations and remembrances that might jog something loose in someone's memory:

1. I recall a game where the name, or part of the name, actually was the associated word list. Anyone remember that one? I don't even remember if it was here or on the Jipter hangout.

2. Frank has made comments about the pairs of names being interchangeable. To me, that means that whatever we do to one has to have some corresponding impact on the other. So while Keith Richards might conceivably pair up with Mary Wollstonecraft by being a Stone, I can't see how she would relate to Keith. Unless there's a Mary Tyler Moore reference I'm missing.

3. Every time I look at John Hume, I keep hearing Monty Python's philosopher's song in my head, even though that's the wrong first name.

4. In addition, I want to pair up one of the Limeys with John Hume to make Brit Hume the "news" caster. But, see #2 above.

5. I still keep returning to the fact that the usual Frank disclaimers are not included on this one. Got to be important. Same with the 8% female representation.

[mellytu74]

Smiler wasn't trying to be helpful, he was trying to be funny. And I have to admit that I laughed when I read it.

I know. I shouldda put it in sarcafont!



I thought it was funny, too.

[mellytu74]

5. I still keep returning to the fact that the usual Frank disclaimers are not included on this one. Got to be important. Same with the 8% female representation.

Yes. To both.

Especially with so few women.

It has to mean something.

[mrkelley23]

And no Maggie Smith or IAMMMMW references.

Time is out of joint.

[mellytu74]

So while Keith Richards might conceivably pair up with Mary Wollstonecraft by being a Stone, I can't see how she would relate to Keith.

AND would Frank have them as consecutive questions if they DID match up?

[franktangredi]

2. Frank has made comments about the pairs of names being interchangeable.

The comment I made was that William Shockley and John McCloskey were NOT interchangeable, despite the number of common letters in their surnames.

[franktangredi]

And no Maggie Smith or IAMMMMW references.

Time is out of joint.

Well, those are only required if it's a MOVIE game.

[franktangredi]

5. I still keep returning to the fact that the usual Frank disclaimers are not included on this one. Got to be important. Same with the 8% female representation.

Yes. To both.

Especially with so few women.

It has to mean something.

There is a reason there a so few women, but that's a by-product of the Tangredi. I don't think it will help you find the Tangredi itself.

You actually have the Tangredi. You just haven't realized it yet.

[smilergrogan]

2. Frank has made comments about the pairs of names being interchangeable.

The comment I made was that William Shockley and John McCloskey were NOT interchangeable, despite the number of common letters in their surnames.

I am confused by "interchangeable". I didn't think he was saying Shockley and McCloskey are not a pair (though I have no reason to think they are), just that they can't be used in the same way to pair with another person. How can the paired names be interchangeable (other than the two where a name is paired with itself) if there are two different capacities to be filled for each pair, as the instructions say?

[silverscreenselect]

There is a reason there a so few women, but that's a by-product of the Tangredi. I don't think it will help you find the Tangredi itself.

The idea of the associated word being hidden inside the name has yielded about ten pairs so far. In fact, it explains Max Hardcore, since he could be the second person matched with himself.

But it wouldn't explain why there's so few women.

[franktangredi]

2. Frank has made comments about the pairs of names being interchangeable.

The comment I made was that William Shockley and John McCloskey were NOT interchangeable, despite the number of common letters in their surnames.

I am confused by "interchangeable". I didn't think he was saying Shockley and McCloskey are not a pair (though I have no reason to think they are), just that they can't be used in the same way to pair with another person. How can the paired names be interchangeable (other than the two where a name is paired with itself) if there are two different capacities to be filled for each pair, as the instructions say?

I'm sorry for the confusion. I didn't mean to lead anybody down the garden path. I was responding to a post that pointed out that the two names both contained the letters for Lock and Key. And I was simply trying to convey the hint that there was a significant difference between those two names that was important to the game.

I didn't think Parasitic Pairs would be that difficult. All of the elements of the Tangredi have been in place for a few days, including a working model. Ignore the dross and focus on the gold.

[franktangredi]

There is a reason there a so few women, but that's a by-product of the Tangredi. I don't think it will help you find the Tangredi itself.

The idea of the associated word being hidden inside the name has yielded about ten pairs so far. In fact, it explains Max Hardcore, since he could be the second person matched with himself.

But it wouldn't explain why there's so few women.

Associated words aren't hidden inside names. Some of the names do take the place of the associated words list. We already have a working model of how.

The only reason there are so few women is that there is a wider pool of famous men to choose from. The Tangredi put a lot of restrictions on my choice of names.

[silverscreenselect]

Some of the names do take the place of the associated words list. We already have a working model of how.

The only possibility that I recall anyone suggesting that used the concept of the associated words (other than the word being hidden inside the name) was to anagram some of the people's names (with or without adding or subtracting letters). Semmelweis could yield "miles" for example.