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(Slightly) Bad Question On Today's Show - Geometry

#1 Post by TheConfessor » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:36 pm

I just flipped on the TV in time to see one of the last questions. It asked which time on a standard clock results in a right angle between the minute hand and the hour hand. The "correct" choice was A) 4:05. That would be true if the big hand were on the 1 and the little hand were on the 4, but that's not the actual position at 4:05. At 5 minutes past any hour, the hour hand has moved one-twelfth of the way toward the next hour, or 2.5 degrees. So at 4:05, the hands on a clock form a 92.5 degree angle, not a 90 degree angle. Sloppy writing strikes again!

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#2 Post by Bob Juch » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:54 pm

Yeah, but they say to pick the best answer even if it's not the right answer.
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#3 Post by TheConfessor » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:02 pm

Bob Juch wrote:Yeah, but they say to pick the best answer even if it's not the right answer.
But why write a question that is wrong in the first place? It's easy enough to find a time on the clock that is actually a right angle. Or to ask what time forms a 92.5 degree angle.
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#4 Post by jarnon » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:05 pm

TheConfessor wrote:It's easy enough to find a time on the clock that is actually a right angle.
3:00, 9:00 and 4:05:27 come to mind.
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#5 Post by Estonut » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:37 pm

The question writers probably only have practical experience with digital clocks...
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#6 Post by Bob Juch » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:43 pm

You didn't mention the shoutout to Peahen?
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#7 Post by Estonut » Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:34 pm

Bob Juch wrote:You didn't mention the shoutout to Peahen?
Was it one of the last questions?
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#8 Post by Bob Juch » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:00 am

Estonut wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:You didn't mention the shoutout to Peahen?
Was it one of the last questions?
Nope, Melissa Del Toro's 4th.
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#9 Post by talkinaway » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:58 am

I'm so glad I wasn't the only one to notice this error - fortunately, all the other answers were completely off. I can understand the idea of choosing the "best answer" in terms of questions that have a small faction who debate the mainstream (ie "What playwright wrote 'The Merry Wives of Windsor'?" when you may have a vocal minority claiming it's not Shakespeare).

In this case, you can easily work out that 4:05 is the wrong answer in your head, because 4:05 WOULD be a right angle if the 4 o'clock hand didn't move ahead, which it does. There's not much wiggle room that all answers are wrong. The easy fix would be to reference that in the question - "At what time does the angle come CLOSEST to being a right angle?" No debate there.

Actually, this could have been a decent 100K question (or maybe one of the "lifeline chewers" in the shuffle round) if they had the options as 4:05:27, 4:04:33, 4:05:00, 4:06:05.

I just have a big thing for writing the questions correctly - that said, I imagine the question writers easily churn out thousands of questions per season, so it's understandable. My other peeve is when they ask a question "Which of the following Xs is also a Y?", and one of the options isn't an X to begin with.

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