Zimmerman not guilty

[Bob Juch]

But we'll never know because Martin got himself suspended from school and ended up being in a wrong place at a wrong time.

The shooting occurred on a Sunday, while Martin was visiting his father to watch the NBA All Star Game.

Funny, how you repeatedly mention Martin's suspension for having some pot in his bag and omit to mention Zimmerman's assualt arrests.

You don't believe in "innocent until proven guilty"? Was Zimmerman convicted of assault? No

In July 2005, he was arrested for “resisting officer with violence.” The neighborhood watch volunteer who wanted to be a cop got into a scuffle with cops who were questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking. The charges were reduced and then waived after he entered an alcohol education program. Then in August 2005, Zimmerman’s former fiance sought a restraining order against him because of domestic violence. Zimmerman sought a restraining order against her in return. Both were granted.

[BackInTex]

The shooting occurred on a Sunday, while Martin was visiting his father to watch the NBA All Star Game.

Funny, how you repeatedly mention Martin's suspension for having some pot in his bag and omit to mention Zimmerman's assualt arrests.

You don't believe in "innocent until proven guilty"? Was Zimmerman convicted of assault? No

In July 2005, he was arrested for “resisting officer with violence.” The neighborhood watch volunteer who wanted to be a cop got into a scuffle with cops who were questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking. The charges were reduced and then waived after he entered an alcohol education program. Then in August 2005, Zimmerman’s former fiance sought a restraining order against him because of domestic violence. Zimmerman sought a restraining order against her in return. Both were granted.

Your point? Where there's smoke there's fire? Because all you are showing is smoke. No convictions and any psycho can get a restraining order for little or no cause.

Still, none of it has anything to do with why Martin attacked him.

[Beebs52]

You don't believe in "innocent until proven guilty"? Was Zimmerman convicted of assault? No

In July 2005, he was arrested for “resisting officer with violence.” The neighborhood watch volunteer who wanted to be a cop got into a scuffle with cops who were questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking. The charges were reduced and then waived after he entered an alcohol education program. Then in August 2005, Zimmerman’s former fiance sought a restraining order against him because of domestic violence. Zimmerman sought a restraining order against her in return. Both were granted.

There were counter charges in the domestic case. Gotta have all the facts

Your point? Where there's smoke there's fire? Because all you are showing is smoke. No convictions and any psycho can get a restraining order for little or no cause.

Still, none of it has anything to do with why Martin attacked him.

[silverscreenselect]

Your point? Where there's smoke there's fire? Because all you are showing is smoke. No convictions and any psycho can get a restraining order for little or no cause.

Still, none of it has anything to do with why Martin attacked him.

You seem to have a double standard when it comes to evaluating information about Trayvon Martin (whose suspensions you have mentioned numerous times) and George Zimmerman (about whom you seem willing to ignore every bit of damaging information).

I have a feeling that if one of your daughters were dating someone with George Zimmerman's background, you wouldn't be quite as understanding and forgiving.

If George Zimmerman lived in my neighborhood and tried out his Dirty Harry routine, he wouldn't last very long, because the first time he went up against a really dangerous individual and not a frightened teenager he'd get capped in a big hurry.

[Beebs52]

Your point? Where there's smoke there's fire? Because all you are showing is smoke. No convictions and any psycho can get a restraining order for little or no cause.

Still, none of it has anything to do with why Martin attacked him.

You seem to have a double standard when it comes to evaluating information about Trayvon Martin (whose suspensions you have mentioned numerous times) and George Zimmerman (about whom you seem willing to ignore every bit of damaging information).

I have a feeling that if one of your daughters were dating someone with George Zimmerman's background, you wouldn't be quite as understanding and forgiving.

If George Zimmerman lived in my neighborhood and tried out his Dirty Harry routine, he wouldn't last very long, because the first time he went up against a really dangerous individual and not a frightened teenager he'd get capped in a big hurry.

What I find mindboggling is that supposed legal sorts on the bored are discussing this case based soley on emotions andnot on the law. I think peeps may be trying to atone for past "sins" or something and projecting their own subliminal racist bents in whatever situations may have happened. Look at your own pasts. Look at the people who are perpetuating the argument. Sharpton? Tawana Brawley ?

[Bob Juch]

[silverscreenselect]

That woman in the middle looks highly suspicious. I'm sure the neo-Nazis were just following her out of general civic concern, to observe and possibly deter her from doing anything wrong, and she decided to jump out of the bushes and ambush them with those scissors, forcing them to defend themselves.

[flockofseagulls104]

Quit posting propagraphics here, please.

[silverscreenselect]

Quit posting propagraphics here, please.

No, we need more of the gospel according to Limbaugh that some of the other people post.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

That woman in the middle looks highly suspicious. I'm sure the neo-Nazis were just following her out of general civic concern, to observe and possibly deter her from doing anything wrong, and she decided to jump out of the bushes and ambush them with those scissors, forcing them to defend themselves.

The stand your ground law was not a part of the defense in the Zimmerman case. As for Ms. Alexander She had been living away from the marital residence but returned the night before and spent the night. After a confrontation with her husband, She went out to her car, got her gun, came back in the house and fired towards her estranged husband and her children. She was offered a plea deal of three years. She got a long sentence because of the ridiculous minimum sentencing laws in Florida. http://www.scribd.com/doc/89763280/Orde ... to-Dismiss .

[BackInTex]

??? Wasn't McDonald in Minnesota? Minnesota does not have a Stand Your Ground law, as far as I can tell. If they did, perhaps McDonals would have benefited.

Can you (Bob J or SSS) please correct my above research if necessary?

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

It doesn't appear from the wikipedia article that Stand Your Ground was a part of the Ce Ce McDonald case and the sentence was the result of a guilty plea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CeCe_McDonald

I once tried the cross exam a witness about his confederate flag tattoo, but was foiled by a judge. (the deceased in McDonald had a swastika)

[silverscreenselect]

??? Wasn't McDonald in Minnesota? Minnesota does not have a Stand Your Ground law, as far as I can tell. If they did, perhaps McDonals would have benefited.

Can you (Bob J or SSS) please correct my above research if necessary?

Here's information about the Minnesota law in connection with another interesting case (involving a white shooter and two white victims; this case has not gone to trial):

http://www.kare11.com/news/article/9997 ... gs-in-Minn

Minnesota does have a common law duty to retreat outside of one's home. Again, as this was a plea bargain after some rulings went against the defendant, there's no way of knowing what the evidence would have shown in regard to whether she was actually able to retreat or not.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

As best I can tell, the current rule is that 19 states (plus D.C.) fall in the duty to retreat category, with the states being bunched up quite a bit geographically:

Northeast/Mid-Atlantic: Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island.
Midwest/Plains: Arkansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Wisconsin.
West: Hawaii, Wyoming.

All the other states do not impose a duty to retreat. The rule in federal cases seems to be ambiguous.

This oversimplifies matters somewhat (Pennsylvania, for instance, imposes a duty to retreat only when the person whom the defendant is defending against has not displayed a “weapon readily or apparently capable of lethal use”); and I might have erred in classifying one or two states in either direction, since this is the result of a few hours’ worth of research and has not been fully cite-checked. Still, I think this reflects the general pattern:

http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/17/duty-to-retreat/

[Bob Juch]

I just heard on the local news that the Zimmerman jurors, B-37, said that even though the stand your ground law wasn't used in court she based her verdict on it. That would seem to warrant a mistrial.

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

I just heard on the local news that the Zimmerman jurors, B-37, said that even though the stand your ground law wasn't used in court she based her verdict on it. That would seem to warrant a mistrial.

"George got in a little too deep," she said. "But Trayvon got mad and attacked him."

[Bob Juch]

I just heard on the local news that the Zimmerman jurors, B-37, said that even though the stand your ground law wasn't used in court she based her verdict on it. That would seem to warrant a mistrial.

"George got in a little too deep," she said. "But Trayvon got mad and attacked him."

Well that's not talking about stand your ground, but does show she believed Zimmerman.

Notice how many times she talked about "George" but called Martin "that boy"?

[BackInTex]

I just heard on the local news that the Zimmerman jurors, B-37, said that even though the stand your ground law wasn't used in court she based her verdict on it. That would seem to warrant a mistrial.

"George got in a little too deep," she said. "But Trayvon got mad and attacked him."

Well that's not talking about stand your ground, but does show she believed Zimmerman.

Notice how many times she talked about "George" but called Martin "that boy"?

No, but I did notice how all three examples from your 'poster' were each individuall factually wrong. You get a fat zero . Nada.

[silverscreenselect]

I just heard on the local news that the Zimmerman jurors, B-37, said that even though the stand your ground law wasn't used in court she based her verdict on it. That would seem to warrant a mistrial.

Once the jury renders a not guilty verdict, that's it. No mistrial; no appeal.

If Zimmerman had filed a motion for immunity on self defense charges and the judge had granted it, the state could have appealed, just as they can appeal a motion to suppress.

[TheCalvinator24]

I just heard on the local news that the Zimmerman jurors, B-37, said that even though the stand your ground law wasn't used in court she based her verdict on it. That would seem to warrant a mistrial.

Some people just don't understand criminal law and the Constitution.

[BackInTex]

Some people just don't understand criminal law or care about the Constitution.

Fixed it for you.

[Bob Juch]

I just heard on the local news that the Zimmerman jurors, B-37, said that even though the stand your ground law wasn't used in court she based her verdict on it. That would seem to warrant a mistrial.

Once the jury renders a not guilty verdict, that's it. No mistrial; no appeal.

If Zimmerman had filed a motion for immunity on self defense charges and the judge had granted it, the state could have appealed, just as they can appeal a motion to suppress.

I may have been influenced by fiction, but you're saying that if a juror was found to have accepted a bribe to vote not guilty there's no way a mistrial would be declared?

[Bob Juch]

Oh, and one more thing: One juror said the rest had to convince one juror not to leave the trial due to family problems because that would have caused a mistrial. Florida doesn't have alternate jurors?!

[BackInTex]

I may have been influenced by fiction

Yep, I believe they CAN fit that on a headstone.

[Estonut]

I may have been influenced by fiction

Yep, I believe they CAN fit that on a headstone.

Sure can!