This also shouldn't fly under the (political) radar

[BackInTex]

Who does the Inspector General report to? I forget.

Found it.

The Inspector General, who is appointed by the President subject to Senate confirmation, reports to the Attorney General and Congress.

And of course, the House majority has no political agenda whatsoever. --Bob

I'm pretty sure that they they only want the truth to come out.

However, they know that if the truth comes out, then much of their other desires (11/6) will likely fall into place.

[Flybrick]

By and large, I actually am impressed by the DOJ IG's report. I'd opine that he actually did his job.

That said, I still await for someone to be held accountable, i.e., punished for letting 2,000 weapons walk to known drug cartels and getting a Border Patrol agent and an ICE agent killed along with several hundred Mexicans.

Not retiring to a six figure pension (SES = $172,000/yer / 1/2 x .02% per year) or resigning.

I want to see those identified as culpable punished - fired, fined, demoted. Publicly.

I also have to ask why did the President invoke Executive Privilege if the IG either had access to everything pertainent or the White House had no involvement in the matter?

Or wonder why http://cnsnews.com/news/article/doj-fas ... ot-produce this?

The report on Operation Fast and Furious released today by the Justice Department's Office of Inspector General says a member of the White House National Security staff declined to be interviewed for the inspector general's investigation and that the White House itself did not produce internal documents for the investigation because the White House said it was "beyond the purview" of the inspector general.

Why not let the guy talk and/or reveal the internal documents to the IG?

Does still smell of something...

[Bob78164]

I also have to ask why did the President invoke Executive Privilege if the IG either had access to everything pertainent or the White House had no involvement in the matter?

Because the Inspector General is part of the Executive Branch but Congress isn't. --Bob

[jarnon]

This scandal won't go away.

More ‘Fast and Furious’ Guns Linked to Mexican Crimes

[silvercamaro]

This scandal won't go away.

More ‘Fast and Furious’ Guns Linked to Mexican Crimes

And another U.S. border agent was killed today. Another was wounded, but reported alive.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/ ... f887a.html

[Bob Juch]

This scandal won't go away.

More ‘Fast and Furious’ Guns Linked to Mexican Crimes

And another U.S. border agent was killed today. Another was wounded, but reported alive.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/ ... f887a.html

But no one is claiming that had anything to do with F&F.

[silvercamaro]

This scandal won't go away.

More ‘Fast and Furious’ Guns Linked to Mexican Crimes

And another U.S. border agent was killed today. Another was wounded, but reported alive.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/ ... f887a.html

But no one is claiming that had anything to do with F&F.

That is correct, Bob, but there hasn't yet been time for ballistics tests to be completed. If the tests do show a link to an F&F gun, will anyone be surprised?

Okay, I would be surprised if (a) the DOJ released unfavorable information without a court battle, and (b) if such a link were reported by the mainstream media.

[BackInTex]

This scandal won't go away.

More ‘Fast and Furious’ Guns Linked to Mexican Crimes

And another U.S. border agent was killed today. Another was wounded, but reported alive.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/ ... f887a.html

But no one is claiming that had anything to do with F&F.

Nor has anybody claimed the CO2 from my SUV has caused any of the ice in Greenland to melt.

How's that for connecting two of the longest threads in this forum?

[Bob78164]

And another U.S. border agent was killed today. Another was wounded, but reported alive.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/ ... f887a.html

But no one is claiming that had anything to do with F&F.

That is correct, Bob, but there hasn't yet been time for ballistics tests to be completed. If the tests do show a link to an F&F gun, will anyone be surprised?

Okay, I would be surprised if (a) the DOJ released unfavorable information without a court battle, and (b) if such a link were reported by the mainstream media.

The FBI's preliminary finding is friendly fire. --Bob

[jarnon]

Hillary Clinton has taken responsibility for security lapses that may have contributed to American deaths in Bengazi. I don't recall a similar apology from Eric Holder for Fast and Fucked-up. Must have missed that news story.

[earendel]

Hillary Clinton has taken responsibility for security lapses that may have contributed to American deaths in Benghazi. I don't recall a similar apology from Eric Holder for Fast and Fucked-up. Must have missed that news story.

That's because Libya has become a campaign issue, whereas F&F is not. Hillary is taking one for the team.

[Flybrick]

Remember this blast from the past (pun intended)?

Looks like the gifts that keep on giving...

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/ar ... -76571135/

WASHINGTON—A high-powered rifle lost in the ATF’s Fast and Furious controversy was used to kill a Mexican police chief in the state of Jalisco earlier this year, according to internal Department of Justice records, suggesting that weapons from the failed gun-tracking operation have now made it into the hands of violent drug cartels deep inside Mexico.

Here's a real doozy buried in the article:

The ATF declined to discuss the matter; officials said they are still compiling an inventory of all the lost firearms for a complete account of the Fast and Furious operation.

How many years later and they still don't know (or won't admit)?

Puh-leez...

[jarnon]

Not as outrageous as Fast and Furious, but still troubling: Border Patrol officers have killed 46 people, including 15 Americans, in the last decade. In none of these cases was an officer disciplined; according to Homeland Security, all 46 deaths were justified.

Border Officers Have Killed 46, Face No Consequences: Report

[BackInTex]

Not as outrageous as Fast and Furious, but still troubling: Border Patrol officers have killed 46 people, including 15 Americans, in the last decade. In none of these cases was an officer disciplined; according to Homeland Security, all 46 deaths were justified.

Border Officers Have Killed 46, Face No Consequences: Report

4.6 per year. 1 every 79 days or so. We have drug smugglers, terrorists, rapists, coyotes, and other vermin coming across our border in droves. I'm surprised that number is that low. I'm disappointed that number is that low.

[Bob Juch]

Not as outrageous as Fast and Furious, but still troubling: Border Patrol officers have killed 46 people, including 15 Americans, in the last decade. In none of these cases was an officer disciplined; according to Homeland Security, all 46 deaths were justified.

Border Officers Have Killed 46, Face No Consequences: Report

That doesn't count any in Mexico who were shot through the fence.

[silverscreenselect]

We have drug smugglers, terrorists, rapists, coyotes, and other vermin coming across our border in droves.

Thanks to satellite technology, we have an exclusive photo of a coyote trying to cross the border:

[jarnon]

This should please Flybrick: Eric Holder has resigned.

[Bob78164]

This should please Flybrick: Eric Holder has resigned.

As I understand it, it may take a while. His resignation becomes effective upon confirmation of his successor. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

This should please Flybrick: Eric Holder has resigned.

As I understand it, it may take a while. His resignation becomes effective upon confirmation of his successor. --Bob

That will probably take effect during the next Presidential administration, especially if the Republicans gain control of the Senate.

[BackInTex]

This should please Flybrick: Eric Holder has resigned.

As I understand it, it may take a while. His resignation becomes effective upon confirmation of his successor. --Bob

That will probably take effect during the next Presidential administration, especially if the Republicans gain control of the Senate.

I was just thinking how brilliant that was, Holder's resignation contingent on his successor's confirmation. Talk about motivating the Republicans to get it done......

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

Okay--Operation Wide Receiver: Good

Operation Fast and Furious: Bad

Right?

Absolutely not.

Investigate it all.

BUT, what is known about Wide Receiver is that it was a joint US/Mexican operation. We, the US Government conducted the operation with the cooperation and knowledge of the Mexican government.

Fast and Furious was kept secret from the Mexicans, indeed, the US Government lied to the Mexican Government when questioned about it. (Reread this thread to find those facts as reported.)

That said, the concept of letting incredibly violent drug cartels acquire thousands of weapons is stupid to the point of heinousness. Under any administration.

Investigate both, and others, if need be.

Hold those responsible for criminal acts responsible legally. Hold those responsible administratively to at least public exposure.

We, finally, fired a GSA employee who squandered nearly $1M in party funds.

Doesn't someone who gets hundreds of people killed deserved at least a news story?

Holder has semi resigned and former GSA supervisor Jeff Neely has been indicted

[Flybrick]

This should please Flybrick: Eric Holder has resigned.

While I am pleased that "first ever found in contempt of Congress; my people; decline to investigate the IRS, etc, etc, etc" AG Holder is resigning, I am not pleased that the truth of the matter is still not known.

It is just as much an incompetent Congress' fault for letting the Administration get away with it as it is the Administration for slow-rolling and stonewalling the release of the documents.

For Operation Fast and Furious, for Benghazi, for the IRS scandal, for the VA scandal, for the Black Panthers in PA, and for many, many more, the Administration hasn't been held accountable.

Not by the Congress, not by the media, and ultimately, not by the voters. Aided and abetted by the media for essentially burying or denigrating where they couldn't, any negative stories regarding their 'chosen' candidate of 2008.

To counter the cries of "racism" and/or "the other side does it, too," just imagine if the Adminstration that had all these and the many, many other scandals/incidents had an (R) after it.

How many days was Bridgegate covered 24/7 just recently? How much has F&F, the VA, and the IRS combined garnered?

I don't want political scalps, I want my nation of laws back.

For I am positive that the next Administration, of whatever political party, is going to take Obama's stretching of the Constitution (I say breaking it) and take it even farther.

It may be a historical inevitablity for power to concentrate, but I am agin' it.

[mrkelley23]

I am generally a defender of the Obama administration, but there are some issues that are, to me, unconscionable.

Holder should have been gone two years ago.

The current head of Secret Service should be gone. Now. Preferably yesterday. Why is this even an issue? You can't screw up your job much worse than she apparently has. As one of the local gadflys put it today on Facebook: terrorists have it all wrong. Instead of rehearsing grand schemes, all they need to do is strap some explosives to a guy and toss him over the wall of the White House fence.

There are other problems and corruptions, but these two mismanagements of personnel stand out so rawly and clearly to me that I can't even care about the others.

[Bob Juch]

My main problem with Holder is that he didn't arrest dozens of Wall Street fat cats who caused the financial crisis.

[Flybrick]

For those that will fixate on the source and not the facts, I ask you to consider:

The gun involved was sold to a straw purchaser (an illegal act) with the full knowledge and support of the US Government.

That same government refused to provide information about that gun to the co-equal branch of government charged with oversight of the Executive Branch.

That same government had to be sued and forced, by the third co-equal branch, to release the information.

The gun in question was used in a crime on U.S. soil. (apparently the 2-300 dead Mexicans don't matter...).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10 ... -found-at/