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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#126 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:52 pm

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themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:There was something on the news last week about a judicial election that was supposed to be referendum on Gov. Walker, anybody hear how that turned out?

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The initial results indicated that the challenger, who ran against Walker's choice, was ahead by about 200 votes in very heavy voting (typically an off-year judicial runoff election gets very little interest). However, two days after the election, the Republican County Clerk of Waukesha claimed that there had been an error in the initial recording of the votes that resulted a substantial vote swing toward the incumbent who now appears to have won by 7500 votes. The final official tallies have not been certified (that's expected to happen later this week). Needless to say, Democrats are not happy and the whole thing seems headed to first a recount and than a possible lawsuit.

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Of course if the vote doesn't go their way they will find creative ways to fix it. That's how Al Franken is in the Senate today. This whole thing could have been avoided if the dead people voted in the expected numbers for the democrat. Meanwhile, let's spend more Wisconsin tax money that they don't have on more elections.
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#127 Post by silverscreenselect » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:28 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: Of course if the vote doesn't go their way they will find creative ways to fix it.
I would say that when the Republican County Clerk of a County "finds" 14000 votes two days after the election and her explanation, that she forgot to hit the enter button when entering the totals the night of the election, seems somewhat suspicious on a technical level, not to mention a political one, that there is reason to inquite further into what went on here.
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#128 Post by Bob78164 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:03 pm

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flockofseagulls104 wrote: Of course if the vote doesn't go their way they will find creative ways to fix it.
I would say that when the Republican County Clerk of a County "finds" 14000 votes two days after the election and her explanation, that she forgot to hit the enter button when entering the totals the night of the election, seems somewhat suspicious on a technical level, not to mention a political one, that there is reason to inquite further into what went on here.
I agree that the perception is quite unfortunate, but in this case, as discussed by Nate Silver, the internal evidence is that it was an honest (albeit very stupid) mistake. I understand that the statewide canvassing board is going to take a hard look at this issue. --Bob
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#129 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:10 am

Here is a tax increase I would favor.
O OBAMA’S PEOPLE ARE TALKING TAX INCREASES AGAIN. Here’s my proposal: A 50% surtax on anything earned within five years after leaving the federal government, above whatever the federal salary was. Leave a $150K job at the White House, take a $1M job with Goldman, Sachs, pay a $425K surtax. Some House Republican should add this to a bill and watch the Dems react.

UPDATE: Should we also provide that salaries paid to former government officials aren’t deductible for corporations? Or is that going too far? I say: Put it in as a negotiating point!
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Also a bonus "Who is Peter Orszag

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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#130 Post by silvercamaro » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:21 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote: Also a bonus "Who is Peter Orszag

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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#131 Post by Bob Juch » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:23 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Here is a tax increase I would favor.
O OBAMA’S PEOPLE ARE TALKING TAX INCREASES AGAIN. Here’s my proposal: A 50% surtax on anything earned within five years after leaving the federal government, above whatever the federal salary was. Leave a $150K job at the White House, take a $1M job with Goldman, Sachs, pay a $425K surtax. Some House Republican should add this to a bill and watch the Dems react.

UPDATE: Should we also provide that salaries paid to former government officials aren’t deductible for corporations? Or is that going too far? I say: Put it in as a negotiating point!
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/118348/
Why do you think that's a partisan issue?
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Also a bonus "Who is Peter Orszag

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He's the Vice Chairman of Global Banking at Citigroup.
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#132 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:27 am

Actually I was hoping for some Bipartisanship on this tax.

They could name the tax after Mr. Orszag.
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#133 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:33 am

silvercamaro wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote: Also a bonus "Who is Peter Orszag

http://reason.com/blog/2011/04/11/peter ... es-it-rain
I protest applying the phrase "pretty boy" to that geek.
From the comments to the article
Manolo the Shoeblogger|4.12.11 @ 11:11AM|#

"Pretty Boy"?

The Manolo does not think that word means what you think it means.

In poker, the bad toupee would be what is known as the "tell".
reply to this
Gordon|4.12.11 @ 11:22AM|#

He looks like he is being attacked by a sausage.
reply to this
Martin|4.12.11 @ 11:56AM|#

The guy has a muskrat pelt on his head held in place by a sturdy chin strap. Maybe that's the secret of his otherwise mysterious "pretty boy" allure. You can never tell about women and their taste in male headgear.
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The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#134 Post by jarnon » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:47 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Here is a tax increase I would favor.
O OBAMA’S PEOPLE ARE TALKING TAX INCREASES AGAIN. Here’s my proposal: A 50% surtax on anything earned within five years after leaving the federal government, above whatever the federal salary was. Leave a $150K job at the White House, take a $1M job with Goldman, Sachs, pay a $425K surtax. Some House Republican should add this to a bill and watch the Dems react.

UPDATE: Should we also provide that salaries paid to former government officials aren’t deductible for corporations? Or is that going too far? I say: Put it in as a negotiating point!
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/118348/

Also a bonus "Who is Peter Orszag

http://reason.com/blog/2011/04/11/peter ... es-it-rain
I like the idea of taxing former officials who profit from their government service, through corporate or lobbying jobs, book deals, speaking tours, etc. But what about private sector executives who take a big pay cut to work for the government for a few years? They're often the most qualified for the job, and it's hard enough to recruit them already. The law would have to be drafted carefully.
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#135 Post by silverscreenselect » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:45 am

jarnon wrote: I like the idea of taxing former officials who profit from their government service, through corporate or lobbying jobs, book deals, speaking tours, etc. But what about private sector executives who take a big pay cut to work for the government for a few years? They're often the most qualified for the job, and it's hard enough to recruit them already. The law would have to be drafted carefully.
It's not just government officials. Many people make less money working for the government than they could working in the private sector. They do so for a number of reasons, one of which often is to get hands-on experience (I'm thinking about professionals like doctors and lawyers here). If you then put a surtax on their subsequent earnings, it will be much more difficult to get qualified people to apply for these jobs in the first place.
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#136 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:08 am

The final score is in. Two of the Republican senators lost their jobs. All of the Democratic senators kept theirs. --Bob
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#137 Post by TheCalvinator24 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:41 am

Bob78164 wrote:The final score is in. Two of the Republican senators lost their jobs. All of the Democratic senators kept theirs. --Bob
2 out of the 6 Republican Senators lost their recall elections. (1 of whom had moved in his mistress out of district, the 2nd was originally elected in what has been described as a "deeply Democratic District."[1])

The Republican Party remains in the majority in the State Senate.














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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#138 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:36 pm

TheCalvinator24 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:The final score is in. Two of the Republican senators lost their jobs. All of the Democratic senators kept theirs. --Bob
2 out of the 6 Republican Senators lost their recall elections. (1 of whom had moved in his mistress out of district, the 2nd was originally elected in what has been described as a "deeply Democratic District."[1])

The Republican Party remains in the majority in the State Senate.

As I recall, under Wisconsin law, people have to be in office for at least one year before they are subject to recall. Senators serve a four-year term, so only those elected in 2008 were subject to recall. Republicans gained four seats in 2010, and lost two of those back as a result of the recall.

As often happens with staggered terms, it takes a while for changes in voter sentiment to be fully reflected in the makeup of a legislative body.














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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#139 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:21 pm

From the Associated Press: “MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Wisconsin’s powerful statewide teachers union said 40 percent of its staff members were laid off Monday as a result of the law pushed by Gov. Scott Walker and passed by the Legislature curbing collective bargaining rights. Wisconsin Education Association Council executive director Dan Burkhalter said the laying off of 42 workers resulted from what he called Walker’s union-busting bill. Opponents had argued one of the law’s goals was weakening the power of unions like WEAC, which is typically one of the biggest spenders in campaigns on behalf of Democrats. The law takes away the right of teachers and other public workers to collectively bargain over anything except salary increases no greater than the rate of inflation. It also disallows the automatic withdrawal of union dues from workers’ pay checks and requires unions to vote annually on staying organized, making it tougher for public sector unions to stay viable.”
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#140 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:13 pm

Former senator Russ Feingold will not be a candidate for any office next year. As Reuters notes, this decision “takes him out of the running for senator, or governor if Democrats force a recall against Republican incumbent Scott Walker.”
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#141 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:37 pm

Wisconsin today set recall elections for the Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and four more state senators, all Republicans. One of the recalled senators resigned a couple of weeks ago, leaving the State Senate evenly split with 16 Republicans and 16 Democrats. --Bob
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#142 Post by Beebs52 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:21 pm

Bob78164 wrote:Wisconsin today set recall elections for the Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and four more state senators, all Republicans. One of the recalled senators resigned a couple of weeks ago, leaving the State Senate evenly split with 16 Republicans and 16 Democrats. --Bob
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#143 Post by AlphaDummy » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:38 am

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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#144 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:26 am

Walker won his recall election, but the State Senate appears to have flipped. --Bob
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#145 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:02 am

Bob78164 wrote:Walker won his recall election, but the State Senate appears to have flipped. --Bob
Based on the amount of spin in this post Its entirely possible that Bob is actually a MM belonging to Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Alternate formulation Scott Walker became the first Governor in American history to defeat a recall election with a 7 percentage point win, Dems lose 3 of 4 Senate recall votes, Wisconsin Senate expected to flip back to Republican control before it meets again.
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#146 Post by AlphaDummy » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:11 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote: Wisconsin Senate expected to flip back to Republican control before it meets again.
Agreed with the line quoted above. The flip gives the Democrats a meaningless one-vote edge, as the Legislature is currently out of session. Given that 1) the new GOP-drawn redistricting map kicks in for this fall's elections and 2) Jim Holperin - a Demcrat who held on to his seat in last year's round of recalls in a normally Republican district - is retiring, I very much see the Senate going back to Republican control for the next session, joining the governorship and the Assembly

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#147 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:35 am

Well, the Unions and Liberals have wasted millions of Wisconsin taxpayer dollars, but at least they have made an important point.

I have no idea what that point is, but it must have been important.
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#148 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:37 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Well, the Unions and Liberals have wasted millions of Wisconsin taxpayer dollars, but at least they have made an important point.

I have no idea what that point is, but it must have been important.
The anti-recall groups spent over $30 million, mostly from out-of-state donors; the pro-recall group spent just over $2 million.

They certainly stimulated the Wisconsin economy!
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Re: Bipartisan recall efforts in Wisconsin

#149 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:51 pm

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flockofseagulls104 wrote:Well, the Unions and Liberals have wasted millions of Wisconsin taxpayer dollars, but at least they have made an important point.

I have no idea what that point is, but it must have been important.
The anti-recall groups spent over $30 million, mostly from out-of-state donors; the pro-recall group spent just over $2 million.

They certainly stimulated the Wisconsin economy!
If you're complaining about the anti recall groups spending so much money, I would point out that they wouldn't have spent anything but for the unions and the democrats who caused these elections to be held.

I'm talking about the millions of taxpayer dollars that the state had to spend on running these stupid elections.
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#150 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:29 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:Well, the Unions and Liberals have wasted millions of Wisconsin taxpayer dollars, but at least they have made an important point.

I have no idea what that point is, but it must have been important.
The anti-recall groups spent over $30 million, mostly from out-of-state donors; the pro-recall group spent just over $2 million.

They certainly stimulated the Wisconsin economy!
If you're complaining about the anti recall groups spending so much money, I would point out that they wouldn't have spent anything but for the unions and the democrats who caused these elections to be held.

I'm talking about the millions of taxpayer dollars that the state had to spend on running these stupid elections.
I'm not complaining about the money the anti-recall groups spent. They took a lot of money from wealthy donors from all over and spent it in Wisconsin.
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