RIP Heath Ledger

Message

fantine33 · #26 Post by **fantine33** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:27 pm

This kind of freaked me out when I heard about it this afternoon because, for some odd reason, he popped into my head today.

I was just working on spreadsheets, minding my own business, and all of a sudden started thinking about Heath Ledger in Brokeback Mountain. I haven't even seen very much of the movie, just from around when the one dude dies. But the last scene when his daughter visits him in his trailer just started playing in my head.

But then I found out the TOD and when I was thinking about that he was still alive, so that made it not so weird, just a coincidence.

cindy.wellman · #27 Post by **cindy.wellman** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:46 pm

It freaked me out too. After being in my Netflix list since it came out on DVD, Brokeback Mountain is finally at the top of the list. I've never even said the name of the movie prior to last night when I told my husband that it would be arriving tomorrow.

+++ to his friends and family

BackInTex · #28 Post by **BackInTex** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:59 pm

Rexer25 wrote: May I have your permission to quote you when someone tells me to cheer up?

Nah, forget it, it's easier to just tell them to piss off.

Now THAT'S a winning attitude!

ontellen · #29 Post by **ontellen** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:18 pm

I was very shocked as well. I love Brokeback Mountain despite all the stupid jokes about it. It was one of the best love stories ever put on the screen.

On Larry King, it was said that he had really gotten into the role of the joker and had trouble shaking it off. He was also depressed about his break up with his girlfriend, Michelle Williams.

Apparently he had been taking Ambien to help him sleep but he said it only worked for an hour.

It sounds like an accident to me. He was very talented and it seems that many people in Hollywood are genuinely shocked. Someone commented that there are lots of others who wouldn't cause any surprise if they died but this wasn't the case with Heath.

I'm very sad.

Jeemie · #30 Post by **Jeemie** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:51 am

I don't know if it's true of actors in general, but many of the serious actors I know have the mindset that makes them susceptible to this kind of stuff.

Not commenting good or bad, just making an observation. It's like what they say about the fine line between genius and insanity.

Probably, the demons that drive these types to destructive/dangerous behavior are what makes them so talented at their craft.

Take away the demons and they probably aren't as good.

peacock2121 · #31 Post by **peacock2121** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:25 am

This shocked and saddened me.

BiT - I hope that if you or anyone you love ever suffers from depression, that your belief in parenting proves to be true.

Butch the Bully · #32 Post by **Butch the Bully** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:14 am

BackInTex wrote:Poor parenting, in my book. A good parent will allow their child to get his/her feelings hurt, get bullied (even by a sibling), etc. up to a point of course.

So many people these days, mostly young, grew up protected from emotional stress (no dodgeball, all teams get trophies, you must give everyone a valentine, teachers choose the team, etc.) that when they grow up and have real problems, they lack the emotional strength and tools to deal with it.

My theory, anyway.

It's about time that someone started sticking up for us bullys. I'm tired of of all the whining that goes on by these little twirps. So what if they suffer later in life and have bad memories of their childhood, I toughened them up for later in life. Thanks BiT, now excuse me, I had to go kick the crap out of some kid half my size and steal their lunch money.

_TPTB_ · #33 Post by **_TPTB_** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:35 am

Butch the Bully wrote:
BackInTex wrote:Poor parenting, in my book. A good parent will allow their child to get his/her feelings hurt, get bullied (even by a sibling), etc. up to a point of course.

So many people these days, mostly young, grew up protected from emotional stress (no dodgeball, all teams get trophies, you must give everyone a valentine, teachers choose the team, etc.) that when they grow up and have real problems, they lack the emotional strength and tools to deal with it.

My theory, anyway.
It's about time that someone started sticking up for us bullys. I'm tired of of all the whining that goes on by these little twirps. So what if they suffer later in life and have bad memories of their childhood, I toughened them up for later in life. Thanks BiT, now excuse me, I had to go kick the crap out of some kid half my size and steal their lunch money.

Hmmmmm, I could use a new intern.

You look big enough to take on wimpy MAWGs and the picketting writers out in front of my office. Here's five bucks, kid... you're hired!

fuzzywuzzy · #34 Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:46 am

I feel terribly bad for his family no matter what happened. They do not deserve the crap that is being spewed from the media!

I am just tired of tuning into to all the talking heads on TV, who are trying to "spin" what "actually" happened to Heath .

They are just trying to make a $$$, they don't give a shit!

fuzzy the pissed off bear

minimetoo26 · #35 Post by **minimetoo26** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:51 am

Alas, poor Yum Yum.

I never saw any movie he was in (I know--get out of the bubble!) but my mom and my sister adored him and called him Yum Yum and saw everything he appeared in.

As my sister said, "What a waste of a hottie!"

BackInTex · #36 Post by **BackInTex** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:56 am

peacock2121 wrote:This shocked and saddened me.

BiT - I hope that if you or anyone you love ever suffers from depression, that your belief in parenting proves to be true.

For crying out loud!

So you honestly believe that all folks who can't cope with life are clinically depressed and how they were raised and life experiences has nothing to do with it?

I think as a society we too often look for excuses for abnormal behavior that does not reflect poorly on anyone (the abnormal behavioree or the parents of said person). Gee, we wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, would we. Lets tell them its not their fault and give them a pill.

I realize that some people have chemical or other physiological disorders that can cause depression. I also think we over medicate and look for the easy fix for things that are not medical.

If folks are fine 99.9% of the time and a girlfriend breaks up with them then all of a sudden they are depressed its 'clinical'? Hell NO!

Everyone gets down in the dumps occaisionally. But it is up to them to get out of the dumps as well. Many times it just takes getting off your ass and doing something. I've been there.

I know a lot of people don't want to hear that. Tough.

And FTR my family has had its share of experiences with depression. I also know the medical profession is too anxious for us to accept their solution of medication. Its money in their pocket.

And most people are too willing to accept "It's not your fault."

Rexer25 · #37 Post by **Rexer25** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:08 am

BackInTex wrote: Everyone gets down in the dumps occaisionally. But it is up to them to get out of the dumps as well. Many times it just takes getting off your ass and doing something. I've been there.

I know a lot of people don't want to hear that. Tough.

WRT my previous post in this thread: piss off.

PlacentiaSoccerMom · #38 Post by **PlacentiaSoccerMom** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:51 am

Westboro Baptist Church is picketing Heath Ledger's funeral.

http://tinyurl.com/2j7yqs

fuzzywuzzy · #39 Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:56 am

PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:Westboro Baptist Church is picketing Heath Ledger's funeral.

http://tinyurl.com/2j7yqs

Probably his memorial service here in the states.

AH, I am assuming he is going to be buried in Austraila.

And, people wonder why I think 2x about telling people that I live in Kansas.

Fred Phelps is SO beloved that he wears a bullet-proof vest when he pickets!

fuzzy

VAdame · #40 Post by **VAdame** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:58 am

Rexer25 wrote:
BackInTex wrote: Everyone gets down in the dumps occaisionally. But it is up to them to get out of the dumps as well. Many times it just takes getting off your ass and doing something. I've been there.

I know a lot of people don't want to hear that. Tough.

WRT my previous post in this thread: piss off.

Rec!

peacock2121 · #41 Post by **peacock2121** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:07 am

BackInTex wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:This shocked and saddened me.

BiT - I hope that if you or anyone you love ever suffers from depression, that your belief in parenting proves to be true.

For crying out loud!

I wasn't crying - out loud or not

So you honestly believe that all folks who can't cope with life are clinically depressed and how they were raised and life experiences has nothing to do with it?

nope, never meant to imply that

I think as a society we too often look for excuses for abnormal behavior that does not reflect poorly on anyone (the abnormal behavioree or the parents of said person). Gee, we wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, would we. Lets tell them its not their fault and give them a pill.

No problem with that you think that.

I realize that some people have chemical or other physiological disorders that can cause depression.

That is what I meant when I said depressed - I didn't mean sad.

I also think we over medicate and look for the easy fix for things that are not medical.

We do not, as I do not - so this statement is false.

If folks are fine 99.9% of the time and a girlfriend breaks up with them then all of a sudden they are depressed its 'clinical'? Hell NO!

They are sad.

Everyone gets down in the dumps occaisionally. But it is up to them to get out of the dumps as well. Many times it just takes getting off your ass and doing something. I've been there.

Can't believe that you think I do not think this - it is my life - it is what I speak each and every day - have no idea why you haven't heard that.

I know a lot of people don't want to hear that. Tough.

If you just want them to hear it - you are doing a great job - if you want it to make a difference with them, you are not doing so good.

And FTR my family has had its share of experiences with depression. I also know the medical profession is too anxious for us to accept their solution of medication. Its money in their pocket.

Could be that and it could be like antibiotics - parents just want to do something so they can feel like good parents and they don't know what to do.

I am the poster queen for personal responsibility. I stand for parents having each and every day be about "How am I training my kids today? Who am I being an example of and do I want my kids to have me as an example?"

You and I may not agree on all of the examples we want to be for our children and others. We do agree about parent being an example.

And most people are too willing to accept "It's not your fault."

Blanket statements like this are horsecockie and make no difference. What makes a difference is specific examples - 'on the court' conversations - not 'in the stands' conversations.

Some people in this thread were having 'on the court' conversations (meaning about their real life) - you were not - unless you were and I couldn't find your court - if that is the case - I apologize.

BackInTex · #42 Post by **BackInTex** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:53 pm

peacock2121 wrote: Some people in this thread were having 'on the court' conversations (meaning about their real life) - you were not - unless you were and I couldn't find your court - if that is the case - I apologize.

Believe me, I have some on court experience with clinical depression, specifically bipolor diagnosis, in my family. Seems to be genetic transmitted from mother to daughter. Hopefully sons can not be carriers. If they can't, thankfully it stopped at my generation in my family.

That still doesn't make me buy into the quote above by, I assume, another on court experienced person saying

"It's an incredibly insidious illness, and growing so increasingly prevalant, it's scary. "

What is growning are the drug company revenues.

Now I used 'most' above when I should have said 'a lot' with regard to prefering the "not your fault/take a pill" route. I'm not saying all persons going that route shouldn't. But, IMO, the increasing diagnosis is a combintation of self importance by the medical 'professionals', the profit motives of the drug companies, and the willingness of the patients to accept a medical diagnosis.

If there is a true increase in phycical causes of depression then it IS scary and we need to find out what is causing it. But the medical profession and drug companies aren't interested in that. Heck, they may be the ones causing it in the first place by pushing on us all the other drugs for aches and pains, pediatric hyperactivity, sleeplessness, diet aides, runny nose, restless leg syndrome, toe nail fungus, etc. that people use to just deal with.

Ritterskoop · #43 Post by **Ritterskoop** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:02 pm

fuzzywuzzy wrote:I feel terribly bad for his family no matter what happened. They do not deserve the crap that is being spewed from the media!

I am just tired of tuning into to all the talking heads on TV, who are trying to "spin" what "actually" happened to Heath .

They are just trying to make a $$$, they don't give a shit!

fuzzy the pissed off bear

There is often something nice on Animal Planet.

fuzzywuzzy · #44 Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:57 pm

Ritterskoop wrote: There is often something nice on Animal Planet.

You r right my cat fancier BB! Animal Planet is a wonderful channel!

Speaking of Animal Planet...

I hope that they have the Annual Puppy Bowl on during the Super Bowl!

I get so tired of just looking at a cute Tom Brady!

During half-time they bring out the Kittens...

LOVE Animal Planet!

BTW, did anyone watch Nature all about Dogs that was on Sunday?

It was very well done!

fuzzy