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#26 Post by gsabc » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:54 pm

fantine33 wrote:I've only seen parts of it on channels like PBS (I seem to recall Angela Lansbury on a bicycle), so I probably have this wrong. But wasn't Mrs. Lovett supposed to be crazy and she didn't really know what was going on at first? Helena Bonham Carter didn't seem crazy and it was sort of all her idea to make with the Farmer Vincent fritters.
Mrs. Lovett was perfectly sane, but had a crush on Benjamin Barker/Sweeney from before he got shipped off. And yes, it is her idea to use the no-longer-needed meat suit for her pies.
My sister thought they could have accomplished a lot more without the singing, but she still liked it. Although I knew it was a musical going in, I could see her point. All I kept thinking during Borat's song was "Dude, you'd have a better shot at winning this contest if you wouldn't stop and sing an aria between each stroke." Same way with Alan Rickman, just slice him, get on with it and then you can carry on about all the pretty women doing nothing.
Pirelli is just overconfident that he'll win the competition, and so takes it easy and yacks about his prowess. And Sweeney wants to lull Turpin into complacency, so it'll be easy to slice and dice, er, grind him.

The whole thing is based on a story in the British "penny dreadfuls" back in the late 1800's. I don't know if the expositions were there to begin with, but they're similar to the comic book villains who always have to expound on their greatness, thereby letting the superhero get free of their traps and clobber them.
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#27 Post by MarleysGh0st » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:59 pm

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tlynn78 wrote: I don't live on either coast and don't watch the Tony's, but I knew it was a musical because <cringe> I was one of the three people that watched (and liked) Jersey Girl. </cringe>
I don't get it. How does one learn that that Sweeney Todd is a musical from seeing Jersey Girl?
You obviously haven't seen Jersey Girl!

She performs part of it in the film.
Thank you. No, I wasn't one of the four people to see Jersey Girl; ergo, knowing that that movie includes parts of Sweeney Todd is even less obvious than deducing from seeing the trailers that Sweeney Todd is a musical. :P

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#28 Post by VAdame » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:05 pm

gsabc wrote:
fantine33 wrote:I've only seen parts of it on channels like PBS (I seem to recall Angela Lansbury on a bicycle), so I probably have this wrong. But wasn't Mrs. Lovett supposed to be crazy and she didn't really know what was going on at first? Helena Bonham Carter didn't seem crazy and it was sort of all her idea to make with the Farmer Vincent fritters.
Mrs. Lovett was perfectly sane, but had a crush on Benjamin Barker/Sweeney from before he got shipped off. And yes, it is her idea to use the no-longer-needed meat suit for her pies.
When Mrs. Lovett sings the "Barber & His Wife" song, she sings it "....and he was beautiful." She always had a crush on Benjamin/Sweeney. I think she always considered Lucy a kind of a silly twit, and was perfectly happy to take Lucy's husband. But she also nursed Lucy back to, well, sorta-health, after the rape & suicide attempt. And yeah....she never told Sweeney that Lucy died -- only that she took poison!
My sister thought they could have accomplished a lot more without the singing, but she still liked it.
LOL -- Keith liked it, but he said about the same thing. "There sure was a lot of singing, wasn't there?" LOL -- Yeah, hon.....that's because it's a musical!

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#29 Post by fuzzywuzzy » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:14 pm

PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:Still, I was surprised by the level of violence and gore and at times it made me really uncomfortable. I think that Maddie is of an age where she can handle the gore, but Emma would have had a hard time dealing with all of the blood, so I am glad that she was sick and we didn't take her to see the movie.
PSM, when I was visiting my family, we talked about seeing ST. My niece who is the muscial theatre actress and 13 years old, asked me if it was the same as the muscial. I said yes, therefore, she declined to see the film, since she did see Sweeney Todd on stage via an acting workshop group. :roll:

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#30 Post by tlynn78 » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:19 pm

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If you don't live on a coast and don't watch the Tony awards or PBS, why would you know it was a musical?


I don't live on either coast and don't watch the Tony's, but I knew it was a musical because <cringe> I was one of the three people that watched (and liked) Jersey Girl. </cringe>



I don't get it. How does one learn that that Sweeney Todd is a musical from seeing Jersey Girl?

You obviously haven't seen Jersey Girl!

She performs part of it in the film.


Thank you. No, I wasn't one of the four people to see Jersey Girl; ergo, knowing that that movie includes parts of Sweeney Todd is even less obvious than deducing from seeing the trailers that Sweeney Todd is a musical.

lol-

The little girl in the movie who, by the way, is a fantastic little actress whose name escapes me, performs a song from Sweeney Todd for a school program. She rocks it.

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#31 Post by gsabc » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:03 pm

VAdame wrote:But she also nursed Lucy back to, well, sorta-health, after the rape & suicide attempt.
Really? I've never had the impression that Mrs. Lovett had anything to do with Lucy's "recovery", only that Lovett omitted telling Sweeney about that aspect of the situation.

For anyone who has never seen the musical and wanted to see the movie, this thread spoils most of the plot twists. Sorry about that.
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#32 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:04 pm

tlynn78 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
MarleysGh0st wrote:
tlynn78 wrote:
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If you don't live on a coast and don't watch the Tony awards or PBS, why would you know it was a musical?


I don't live on either coast and don't watch the Tony's, but I knew it was a musical because <cringe> I was one of the three people that watched (and liked) Jersey Girl. </cringe>



I don't get it. How does one learn that that Sweeney Todd is a musical from seeing Jersey Girl?

You obviously haven't seen Jersey Girl!

She performs part of it in the film.


Thank you. No, I wasn't one of the four people to see Jersey Girl; ergo, knowing that that movie includes parts of Sweeney Todd is even less obvious than deducing from seeing the trailers that Sweeney Todd is a musical.

lol-

The little girl in the movie who, by the way, is a fantastic little actress whose name escapes me, performs a song from Sweeney Todd for a school program. She rocks it.

t.
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#33 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:48 pm

Strange timing: I just got this casting notices today:
LOCATION: New York City
CATEGORY: Union/Nonunion Musicals
SEEKING: Sweeney Todd Sweeney Todd: 40-60; The Beggar Woman: 40-60; Anthony Hope: 18-30; Johanna: 18-30. Note: seeking African-American singer-actors only for all roles. Mame Mame: female, Caucasian, TV or major Broadway credits required, classic TV a plus.

SWEENEY TODD MAME
Nashville Stages (Nashville, TN) is casting Sweeney Todd (rehearsals begin Jan. 20; runs Feb. 8-23) and Mame (rehearsals begin March 17; runs April 11-27). John Lasiter, prod. mgr. Both productions perform at the Nashville Dinner Theatre in Nashville, TN.
An all-Black cast? :roll:

Edited because I realized this was an NYC audition for a Nashville show, not two separate productions.
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#34 Post by fantine33 » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:56 am

silvercamaro wrote:
fantine33 wrote: Helena Bonham Carter didn't seem crazy and it was sort of all her idea to make with the Farmer Vincent fritters.
A Motel Hell reference!

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PS Wasn't Rory Calhoun just the ginchiest?
tlynn78 wrote:I don't live on either coast and don't watch the Tony's, but I knew it was a musical because <cringe> I was one of the three people that watched (and liked) Jersey Girl. </cringe>
I didn't mean that everybody that doesn't live on a coast or watch the Tonys shouldn't know it's a musical. It's the incredulity that kind of gets me, because I don't think that not being all about the theatuh automatically makes one a stupenagel.

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#35 Post by silvercamaro » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:21 am

fantine33 wrote:
But most of all, I love that you have no problems with admitting that you watch Rock of Love or that you can instantly recognize a phrase from Motel Hell!

PS Wasn't Rory Calhoun just the ginchiest?
I consider Motel Hell to be the highest low point in American cinema. It's the best, funniest, worst, repulsive movie ever made. (John Waters ruined his possible contenders with actual efforts at production values.) Rory Calhoun in a farmer's cap made plaid flannel cool. If he wasn't the fashion inspiration for a generation of Seattle musicians, shame on them!

Note: I'm not actually recommending that anybody put Motel Hell on their NetFlix list. For one thing it probably never made it to DVD. For another, the total viewing experience is enhanced with large quantities of alcohol. If it comes on television at 2 a.m. in black and white, though, don't doze off or change the channel just because your first thought is a rational "What's this dreck?" and you haven't slept in 78 hours.

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#36 Post by Bob Juch » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:40 am

silvercamaro wrote:
fantine33 wrote:
But most of all, I love that you have no problems with admitting that you watch Rock of Love or that you can instantly recognize a phrase from Motel Hell!

PS Wasn't Rory Calhoun just the ginchiest?
I consider Motel Hell to be the highest low point in American cinema. It's the best, funniest, worst, repulsive movie ever made. (John Waters ruined his possible contenders with actual efforts at production values.) Rory Calhoun in a farmer's cap made plaid flannel cool. If he wasn't the fashion inspiration for a generation of Seattle musicians, shame on them!

Note: I'm not actually recommending that anybody put Motel Hell on their NetFlix list. For one thing it probably never made it to DVD. For another, the total viewing experience is enhanced with large quantities of alcohol. If it comes on television at 2 a.m. in black and white, though, don't doze off or change the channel just because your first thought is a rational "What's this dreck?" and you haven't slept in 78 hours.
"It takes all kinds of critters...to make Farmer Vincents fritters."

This film is being remade this year.
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#37 Post by VAdame » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:57 am

PS Wasn't Rory Calhoun just the ginchiest?
Burns: There you are...there you go, little fellow...and you.
[one of the puppies stands on its hind legs]
[gasps] Smithers, look: he's standing up. I've never seen
anything so adorable! Do you know who it reminds me of?
Smithers: Benji?
Burns: No.
Smithers: Lassie?
Burns: No, no, no, a person. You know who I mean.
Smithers: Snoop Doggy Dogg? Bob Barker? David Brenner?
Burns: No, no! The person who's always standing and walking.
Smithers: Rory Calhoun?
Burns: That's it!

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#38 Post by andrewjackson » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:03 am

VAdame wrote:
PS Wasn't Rory Calhoun just the ginchiest?
Burns: There you are...there you go, little fellow...and you.
[one of the puppies stands on its hind legs]
[gasps] Smithers, look: he's standing up. I've never seen
anything so adorable! Do you know who it reminds me of?
Smithers: Benji?
Burns: No.
Smithers: Lassie?
Burns: No, no, no, a person. You know who I mean.
Smithers: Snoop Doggy Dogg? Bob Barker? David Brenner?
Burns: No, no! The person who's always standing and walking.
Smithers: Rory Calhoun?
Burns: That's it!
I think of that every time I hear Rory Calhoun. Or even just Rory.

Calhoun makes me think of my idiot VP but that's a different story.
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